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Last thread >>10155770

/cgl/ Idol Spreadsheet (Recently updated, under new management!) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WtgRe5cjKIR0BYGhw9N8ahxChLqEFLbZIRbAazooh-o/edit?usp=sharing

Original Music Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfmgukQM2isUtJJZz1MY4Jn4zPcbl0wDU

Previously:
-Some dumb shit about Idolized (reminder: there's a lolcow post if you really need to shitpost)
-Idols using cosplays from Love Live as stage outfits
-Julily has pretty dress
-How much for an original song composition? Gulls start talking money
-One Wish posts awkward video, provokes question of "how long can a group call themselves new and be excused for shoddy performances?"
-How can Western idols appeal to Western audiences?

Starter topic: Actually I'd like to use the last bit of discussion on the previous thread and ask about languages. What are the merits of singing songs (covers and originals) in your own language versus in Japanese? Is it still jpop if it's not in Japanese? How about just jpop inspired? Should idols even go for a jpop appeal, or use their music to showcase the culture and language of their own region? Feel free to share worldwide examples of overseas and net idols singing in their own languages.

Featured: Coco from Ice Qream
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Some new content to start off the thread:

Julily - Lily Lily Burning Night - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddYcOv1RwQ

Risa Rosé - Debut @ Mini-Mini Con (includes her original song Hall of Mirrors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVdWb1bZ2RQ&

Delusion Idol Mira - Among the Stars - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeKosUx9Noc

Also, Coco from Ice Qream will be graduating from the group after having a final concert this summer (hence the thread photo). Thoughts on that?
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>>10165134
Thoughts on the Amuse and Aquaria collab?
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>>10165136
It’s super impressive that Julily sang so well throughout Lily Lily, her voice barely faltered despite how such a high energy dance
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>>10163360
>>10163772

What really seperate JIdol and Kpop for me is despite the "cute" looks, they have a more down to earth feeling without looking too "tryhard" that I would associate with the not so wholesome Kpop style groups like K/DA or Blackpink where they come off as hardcore hip pop girls who hang out in the side of the neighborhood associated with street gangs and their thug guy friends.

Don't get me wrong, I followed and stanned Kpop for it's fierceness and sex appeal but it really doesn't match J-Idol who's talent in general have avoided the worst in image changes associated with top 40 artists like Ariana and Miley Cyprus. They don't end up taking some faux delinquent image to stay popular, they can hit their 30's without drastic image changes.

Jpop in general is about consistency, it is about having an image and sticking with it music wise and maturing in a way that isn't a desperation to look cool. You don't need to be drastically cool like K/DA or those fierce KPOP groups. But cool in JPOP is about maintaining the same grace as you did when you debuted.
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>>10165174
Same here. Part of what I love about j-idol stuff is that you’ve got a very girl-next-door feel.
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>>10165174
Would K/DA even be considered a kpop group? It was a collab between westerners and 2 members of g-(idle)
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>>10165294
The group itself yes. The character voices no. It was collab between the vocalists but the actual characters are considered the group.
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Fuck, I totally forgot to add the thread title, my bad
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Are there any new groups coming out anyone is looking forward to? Since Stellure's disbandment I've seen a big increase in original idol groups trying to start up.
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>>10165387
Astreal is making their debut soon! Since they consist of prior Stellure members (and definitely the more talented of the bunch) they've already got the experience from Stellure's mistakes, and they seem really wholesome and sweet. I'm excited to throw all my support at them!
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The theme of A La Melody seems very cute! I’m excited for them to start, but am a bit worried for them since they seem to be the most inexperienced sub-group of Stellure. Hopefully something good comes of them.
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>>10165134

Why does she look like a middle aged mom?
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What are some upcoming events in cali where i can see these groups?
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>>10165614
She literally looks fine for a live shot what are you talking about
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>>10165663
>What are some upcoming events in cali where i can see these groups?
I've noticed a surge in original groups starting up all on instagram. Just search netidol and you've got a lot of groups announcing start ups.
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Some net-idols groups do the "language versions" approach really well. Interlunium does eng, jpn., and kor. versions of their songs
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>>10165664
Yeah I think people on this board have unrealistically high expectations for candid shots lol. I don't know what that anon is seeing. Coco is super cute, she's just got glasses and that gives her more of a girl-next-door vibe than a kawaii idol vibe. And that's totally fine.
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>>10165174
I have the same sentiments. While I LOVE kpop for their sex appeal and in general how badass they can be, I find that I love jpop for exactly the opposite reasons.

K-pop idols are so different because they do all this rigorous training for years for just the slim chance they get to debut in a group or as a soloist. And by the time they do debut, their group is practically flawless because that is the standard. Completely in sync dancing, next to perfect vocals, etc.

But on the flip side, japanese idols are really just thrown into it with the hopes they stick. The appeal of a lot of japanese idols for me is that if you're a fan of a group long enough, you've seen your oshi grow and be better than they were when they started. This gives you that sense of like "wow, if they can do it, i could too"

I think that's where the mentality comes from when you see all these "idol" groups pop up all over the net. You don't see people from the west trying to be kpop stars, (sure they cover the dances, but do they REALLY wanna be them?) Yet, you see so many new accounts with "japanese style idol group" in their bios. A lot of them are definitely LoveLive-fueled pipe dreams, but japanese idols in general really just have this grace about them where you don't necessarily want to BE them, but be LIKE them.

sorry for the blog post lmao
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I think when it comes to being more successful as an idol group in the west, it's going to take aspects from both kpop and jpop to appeal to people. You want that same level of showmanship as a kpop group, while also having the fun vibe of a jpop group. Being creative with outfits while also not coming off too childish. Possibly expanding your content to not just jpop but kpop and even songs within your place of origin. As long as you can stick to a theme and balance image and actual talent and skill, I think that makes for a successful group. But also, what defines success? Not everyone has the same goals and expectations. But I think having a level of fame and fortune would be success. But then you have to start acting like this is your career path rather than a hobby. And I think most people can only do it as a hobby. Cause that's all that a budget allows for.
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I accept that the mentality of groups today seem to be a 'love live' pipedream but I also think a lot of groups follow the J idol perspective. To throw themselves in the deep end and improve on the way. Ive watched hello project groups make mistakes and grow and you all love them and have a fave but westerners get hate for trying. Saying they need to take a bit of mentality from the k idol side of things would work if a lot of people in this community didn't bash a group for trying kpop when they were originally jpop (as you get older kpop seems better suited) . I agree to improve you need professionalism but also for people to actually give these groups a chance. Majority of the time it's a hobby not a life goal. Let the girls/guys live their pipedream and do what they want without being bashed for being beginners or trying something new. To summarise I've never known such a contradicting forum in all my life and I follow many. Welcome to 4chan, they say one thing one minute and contradict themselves the next. Haha.
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>>10165136
I’m sad about Coco leaving
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>>10165664
>>10165705

I just Googled her and found a YT video, I deeply regretted it. She looks like a cross between a chubby 40 year old mom and a hon
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>>10165664
>>10165705
That boring bangless hairstyle and those glasses. Don’t be delusional, she could certainly look fresher.
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>>10166151
>>10166158
>>10166158
>>10166151
Wtf Coco isn't Chubby at all ?! Glasses feels problematic for me when it isn't part of the character, but her hairstyle is okay. It would be boring if every aspiring aidorus got bangs according to me. Lot of those kpop and jpop more mature idols that you are praising since the beggining of this thread don't have bangs and just wear their hair down.
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>>10166189
Shes obese
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>>10166201
>everyone who isn't underweight is obese, there are no other options
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>>10166223
There are other options but the girl in the OP is fat as holy hell
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>>10166230
she’s actually pretty normal sized compared to most overseas idols

personally i love the glasses
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>>10166230
Look, your opinions are your own, and that's fine. "Fat" is subjective, and if you think someone is fat because they have some fat on their frame, that's okay. I won't try and preach about your preferences. I personally think she has a pretty normal build and isn't fat. I just take objection to the use of "obese" because that's an actual medical category that she clearly doesn't fall into.

But actually, the people in this thread have been pretty good lately about not judging people for their weight. Lots of actual fat "idols" have been discussed here based on their talent, not their weight, so it'd be nice to keep it that way.
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>>10166236
>>10166233
Your feelings don’t change physics or medical science
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>>10166237

Wow you managed to respond in less than a minute to my post, so clearly you didn't bother to read it. I'm not arguing medical science. I'm medically obese myself, and it's a huge problem in my life and I'm kicking my ass to fix it. I'm saying that "obese" is a medical classification, and calling someone fat because they have an average build instead of skinny or underweight isn't. You should probably take your own advice and use medical science terms instead of feelings when describing people's weight.
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>>10166240
I’m sorry but I don’t care what a fat “person” has to say.
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>>10166241
That's totally fine by me. But please take your drama to the lolcow thread.
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>>10166242
Calling someone fat isn’t drama retard.
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>>10166244
Ok.
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Today we learned people like to cause drama where there isn’t any and are probably obese fat asses themselves. Self hate is never the answer you guys. Love yourself, even if you are a degenerate.
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>>10166249
>Someone dislikes fat people
>I know I’ll call them fat too!!

Are you in elementary school? This is so stupid
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>>10166250
You’re. You’re joking right. Tell me you’re joking.
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>>10166252
>that reply

You must be 18 or older to use this website.
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>>10166255
Clearly you yourself aren’t considering when nobody agreed with you, you immediately went to “well she’s fat anyway”
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>>10166256
You realize the irony in this right? I was talking about someone who we have a photo of, who is clearly fat, but then >>10166249 who has no evidence says I’m fat. I’m guessing you don’t realize the irony since you’re 12
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Take it to another thread, no one cares about your fatphobic debates.
This is an idol thread, not a health and fitness one lmao
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>>10166257
You realize the irony is that she’s actually not fat right? Your insults are literally those of a 12 year old which is also ironic.
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>>10166261
She is, I’m sorry you’re delusional but it’s not my fault. Your refusal to face facts does not alter reality.
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Classic idolfag thread. Constant bickering over nododies in nobody hobbies.
>inb4 that’s all of cgl
Yeah well
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Qtxing posted an old design prototype. It's cute, but my first thought was Ice Qream's outfits (which may be why they didn't use this)
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>>10166262
I’m almost convinced you got some self hate (past or present) going on or you’re just a shitty person.

>>10166263
You get what you get.
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>>10166265
Stop projecting so hard about self hate.
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>>10166264
I’m almost curious to see how this would look in real life now. There aren’t bad designs out there. They just need some work which I find interesting.
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>>10166268
Right? I'm especially curious about the top. I wonder how the structure would work?
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>>10166264
I want to like them so much. Their one song wasn't awful, just very amateur in a kind of endearing way. I don't want to see them become an idolsona-only group that doesn't make real content. But God they need to commission an artist.
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>>10166275
Yeah... To be fair, I looked at her IG (it's in the caption of that post) and she improved a lot since her earlier posts (took 5 seconds to get to the bottom)
She just needs to practice on her anatomy, but for now they should definitely try to get a more seasoned artist
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>>10165754

Or maybe a page from the chinese odottemita community. They seem to do well for themselves with a competitive side and the ability to blend the girls next door style with a kpop spirit if SNH48 was proof that a 48G can be sexy and mature without being cringe
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>>10166264
I haven't seen this group post anything but drawings/concepts and selfies. Why are we talking about them like they're relevant???
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>>10166352
post some examples of the chinese groups
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>>10166413

just to name a few chinese groups, SNH48 (their sub-units 7Senses, ColourGirls, BlueV). SING女团, Popu Lady, Rocket Girls
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>>10166378
Two reasons, I think. One is that they were designed by Meotashi, who has a lot of followers for her idol and art stuff, so they got an initial following from her. They've also released one original song, so that puts them in a category that not many idolsona/edit groups manage to get to.
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>>10165136
Second video has the weirdest mix of polished and unpolished parts I’ve ever seen.
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>>10166479
Where is the original song?
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>>10166598
Here it is! https://youtu.be/XuJpGoU6zWg
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>>10166255
Don’t even try anon. We all know that not everyone who posts here is 18
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>>10166645
Mic quality/mixing is anything but good but the overall thing is not...terrible?
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>>10166649
And, of course, not everyone over 18 acts like it
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>>10166645
sounds like they're singing while being roofied
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Thoughts on Ambiflora's introduction and first performance video? I'm a bit intrigued.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGITkzGOoxc
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>>10166764
the live performance itself was surprisingly decent. I do wish the guy had gone for a different hairstyle though
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>>10166699
That's kinda how I felt about it too. It's incredibly amateur, and their voices need a lot of strength training, but it doesn't sound bad. Just inexperienced. Definitely better than some net-idols' debuts, and still better than any single song Flusay Girls has done lmao
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>>10166764
I did not like that super long intro. It was about 9 minutes. However, I did like the performance. I liked Luka (the one with the orange skirt). She’s surprisingly good and from what I can tell she sounds nice.
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>>10166764
Thoughts on just lip singing with the recorded song, vs live singing?
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>>10166808
I mean actual idols lip sync more often than not so it doesn't bother me
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>>10166808
As long as they don't lie and try to say they're singing live when they're not, I don't mind. Especially with larger conventions, it's not guaranteed there will be enough mics, or mics without wires to trip on. Lots of amateurs don't have the stamina to sing well while dancing. I'd rather hear a good voice and see strong dancing than get a rough half-powered version of both for the sake of doing it live.
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>>10166848
Meant to say larger groups*, not conventions. Brain's all scrambled.
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>>10166832
is that true? i know kpop idols almost always do, but most the jidols i’ve seen lives of seem to be singing live. maybe they’re just really good at faking it

i prefer live singing but it’s not an end all be all. i just find it a lot more fun as an audience member
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>>10166899
Most times, kidols do a mix of live and recorded. Jidols do one or the other.
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Akaya - Fairytale Days (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SByr4GeoURo
(This is actually from May last year, but I only just discovered it and don't recall it being posted here before.)

Amaitsuki - Pretty・Cute・Future (PINK CRES.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=150AjhbChSM

Delusion Idol Mira - Among The Stars (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeKosUx9Noc

Julily - Lily Lily Burning Night (Vocaloid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddYcOv1RwQ

Rei from Mosuri - Koi no signal Rin Rin Rin (Love Live!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmf5lgvgIw8

And here's a video I came across that I think some of you might find interesting, about Japanese girls wanting to become K-idols.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsSddFQM2ok
>Students pay up to US$3,000 a month for this crash course in K-pop
>7 hours of daily vocal training, two hour dance classes twice a week, early morning Korean lessons... Boyfriends and phones are forbidden.
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>>10166808
There’s a fuck ton of people who just dance to songs live so I don’t see why lip syncing to something pre-recorded is an issue. There’s a lot of professional idols that lip sync too. As long as they don’t try to mask it as something else, there’s no issue with it.
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>>10166954
As per usual, mosurii does not fail to disappoint. The vocals are subpar at best (there’s a lot of points where she just doesn’t hit the right notes) not to mention the dancing is boring and plain to look at. It’s not the worst thing I’ve ever seen but I definitely won’t be re-visiting it like some of the better things I’ve seen posted on here.
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>>10166954
Akaya's original is boring and even a little awkward, I'd say. She has a good voice but not much else going for her there.
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>>10166968
I think the dancing is ok but the vocals are...really not good.
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>>10166968
My biggest thing is it seems like they’re desperate to be a real original idol group and yet they continuously post cosplay covers??? Like are you trying to be a real idol or an anime idol because that’s where their whole theme is drifting to, especially with their love live themed “loading screen” intro
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>>10167038
Does it really matter though? It's just a cute intro and they've posted 2 love live covers out of how many other covers they have on their YouTube. The hate boner for Mosurii is getting annoying
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>>10167050
I think it matters. I agree that the hate boner for Mosuri is getting annoying, but at the same time, I don't want to follow them if they're just going to be cosplay idols. The loading screen, while cute, brands them more as cosplay idols rather than real idols, and I think that's why most people have a problem with it.

I think it's a smart move to start with cosplay covers and then move on to real idol business once you've snagged a fanbase, but if they're going to drift further back into cosplay idol territory, I personally am just not interested in following them.
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>>10167038
This is exactly the point I've been trying to bring up about them. Even if you want to do love love songs, at least do it as your idol self and not in cosplay. I don't think cosplay content belongs in what's supposed to be an ORIGINAL group.
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>>10166954
How do you find videos to update this weekly? Is it just youtubing, or do you have some kind of channel that updates?
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>>10166954
I really like Akaya's song! Her voice is soothing.
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>>10167038
IDK where you get desperation from? I get the impression Mosurii is doing this as a hobby and nothing else

In general this thread is too harsh in my opinion about images. I don’t think these groups are taking this as seriously as you guys seem to think. They are having fun, and doing whatever they think will be fun with their friends. If they want to make careers out of it they should think more about image. But for a hobby, that seems way too harsh.
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>>10167100
Yeah her voice itself is soothing but the lyrics are cliche/unoriginal and the instrumental is mostly just an annoying droning bass
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>>10167038
>>10167050
>love love themed loading screen
>cosplay idols

y’all realize LL isn’t the only group with mobage right? there are even games w/ irl idols lmao how is it cosplay themed? it’s drawings of themselves
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>>10167118
I didn't get "annoying" from the instrumental, but I do see your point. I think it's better to start with safer, more cliche things and branch out as you gain more experience. I'd rather hear a boring song done well than a super unique song done poorly. Sort of a "learn the rules before you break them" kind of thing I guess?
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>>10167120
I honestly feel like people are always reaching when it comes to this group.
I thought the loading screen is different and I don't see the big deal.
Idol groups should be allowed to post 1 or 2 cosplay covers every once in a while without the "Real Aidorus' freaking out about it, especially when they post weekly. It's a dumb hobby. Relax.

I want to look at actually cringey shit now please
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>>10167360
I personally don't mind the cosplay covers, either. Some of them are both singing and dancing so that constitutes as "real idol" shit by this threads standards, even if it's just covering a song. Some complaints are valid but I agree, some of the more recent stuff has just been a reach.
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>>10167360
Right?
Real idols (ones under companies and do this as an actual job) do covers every now and then so I really don't see the big deal.
Guess it's just wannabes gatekeeping lmao
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this whole post basically is a big fuck you to all of stellure
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>>10167697
Yup, I really wanna know what exactly happened because her goodbye to stellure was not the most positive either. I get she overworked herself but there has to be more than that
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>>10167709
From what I understand, she got frustrated that they couldn’t live up to her “standards” but at the same time because of this I think she kind of went “well you guys aren’t good enough so I need to do everything... I’m so stressed from doing everything!!”

And I’m pretty sure everyone especially Io Luna Polaris and Callisto were like look we can help you just have to let us and she just couldn’t give it up since they just wouldn’t “do it as good as her”
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What do people think about cosplay wigs for idols? One of the main things that turned me off with stellure was how it felt a lot more like cosplaying an oc rather than trying to be an idol, I personally much prefer natural hair or natural looking wigs
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>>10167733
As long as they're styled right and aren't shitty quality, I don't mind wigs. Personally prefer them, since my hair is a bitch to style
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>>10167733
Wigs are super limiting when it comes to certain dance moves and choreography, even when properly pinned in. So I prefer seeing idols use their real hair. Also wigs are too, idk, one note? It's more fun to see idols change their real hair up over time.
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>>10167733

I think that a happy medium is possible if you used realistic looking hair colours in a wig and style it accordingly.
I think it was in the last thread but there was a girl and she was getting a lot of comments about her hairline etc and things like that can be fixed by wearing a natural or even a j-fash wig. It probably even offers up a lot of versatility when you have different outfits and costumes too.
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>>10167733
I prefer real hair, unless your hair has serious issues with volume/style, stuff like that.
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>>10167733
As a dancer I like wigs because my hair is not styleable and my bangs get sweaty when I dance (sweat doesn’t stick to synthetic wigs). I wouldn’t wear like a bright pink wig though, something natural looking
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>>10166954
Some recent stuff and a few things I missed for my last post!

Hanran Hime - Kyokiranbu (GARNiDELiA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgoSByehv2M

Hayley - Tekko Idol Festival Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLyRMMofRAk

Honey Hime - We Wanna Have It All (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQhjY8It48

Ice Qream - Koi wa Acha Acha (ANGERME)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3l0nNMdvM

Ky x Ari。Ki - Dreamin' Chuchu (Vocaloid)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra9R9zCw1Z8

ShootingStar Idols - LUVORATORRRRRY! (REOL)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88Hri2S0Og

>>10167098
>How do you find videos to update this weekly?
I pretty much subscribe to every Youtube channel of every (net) idol and (net) idol group I can find so I can post updates here and update my playlists (like the playlist of original net idol music, for example).
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>>10167906
do you feel like you’re doing these groups a favor when you post them?
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>>10167906
As someone who thinks this stuff it really cringy, I watched that Koi wa Acha Acha and I didn't cringe.
I still think this stuff is pointless and I am not in the community but good on them.
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>>10167906
Thank you!
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>>10167920
I think it’s a good thing. I enjoy seeing what other groups put out that I may have missed, and it’s good to hear critiques too
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>>10167697
Wow, even after Stellure's death she can't stop shading her former members. Honestly though? I would love to see it happen again for the sheer luls when it inevitably doesn't go the way Mimi wants.
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>>10167697
Yeah. Definitely sounds like her previous group didn't live up to her vision. But also I don't know why she kept adding more and more members when all along it was difficult enough with the number they started with. As a passionate person myself, I too can get super motivated and inspired to the point where I take on more than I can handle or should. Hopefully she has learned her lesson. I also understand it's probably really hard to not want those same things again. It just takes finding the right people....Which is difficult. And the difference between member's motivation levels and priorities is why a lot of groups break up.
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>>10167920
I should note that I'm not the only anon who makes posts compiling several links of recent uploads, though I think I'm probably the one who does it most often.

I just like updating and hopefully helping people discover performers they've never seen before and may enjoy. I suppose even if some people here have some... unsavory comments, at least they only post them in these threads and not directly on the videos (to my knowledge), and gulls here can learn from critiques posted about other performers, like >>10167970 pointed out.

>>10167936
You're welcome!
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Opinion wanted!

I'm planning to start a casual dance cover group, starting with Love Live stuff as that's what I'm most familiar with but possibly branching out.

What I wanted to know is how important is lipsyncing as a performance element to you? I was considering a mixed gender group but obviously having a guy lipsyncing to a female voice would be a bit odd.
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>>10168167
I don't think it's all that important for dance covers, I'd rather see dancers with great expressions
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>>10167922
The only thing cringy about Koi wa Acha Acha is the company’s failed attempt at making the dance go viral but that’s another story.
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>>10168167
I like lipsyncing but also mostly because I otherwise tend to do really weird stuff with my face (like pressing my lips together at a harder dance move, since that's an automatic thing I do when I concentrate). I think on and off lipsyncing is fine whether you do it or not but if you are lipsyncing make sure you know the lyrics
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Meotashi posted this on her story and honestly it's endearing she talks in the plural form as if anyone aside from her is getting shit for how Stellure disbanded while in reality no one is shitting on the other members but her.
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>>10168310
Just be a soloist, Julia. No one with any talent wants to be your underling.
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>>10168310
>If someone wanted to make a new group, I think that’s okay!

Most of Stellure branches off and made new groups and no one cared Julia. Everyone supported them. It’s you nobody supports.
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>>10168347
Plenty of people support her, she’s got tons of followers whether you like it or not

I’ll root for her whatever she decides to do, bc we don’t actually have the full story and I’m hesitant to believe she single handedly caused Stellure to disband
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>>10168347
Plenty of people support her and love what she creates. I don't know why people are so quick to hate her when they weren't even in her situation. Don't be so quick to judge.
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>>10168310
>>10168347
>>10168353
please take this shit to the lolcow thread
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>>10168390
I actually have been in her place (and other roles) many times and know for a fact that when a group disbands and the leader acts like this, it’s primarily the fault of the person in charge. I’ve witnessed groups fall and end because of poor choices that were primarily the leader/creators fault. There had to be enough turmoil between her and everyone else to where instead of people leaving, they just disbanded. It all boils down to poor choices and we’ve seen Mimi make poor choices. She’s broadcast them. I’m not knocking her skills as an artist or anything. But as a leader? She clearly was not the best. She doesn’t handle certain situation well and that’s always been clear.

>>10168416
This isn’t lolcow worthy.
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>>10168353
The other members literally said she was the biggest reason they disbanded. Whatever she did hurt them so much that they don't want to talk about Stellure (besides joking that it's finally over) and Luna even said she would get super anxious whenever she had to talk to her.
People are quick to judge because she does things worth judging.
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>>10168310
She is embarrassingly bad at writing. How old is she?
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>>10168541
Not to mention Io posted some vent art in her story shortly after Mimi posted about wanting a new group, of her idol character crying while holding yellow and green flowers (I’m going to guess referencing the other members of Astreal) with captions saying “we are good enough” I think
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>>10168547
This one yeah?
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>>10168451
It doesn’t matter. The thread could be taken down again
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>>10168561
>>10168547
Oh damn, I didn't even know that. I feel so bad for those girls, they deserve better.
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Gaawd look at this thread, as always, it doesn’t belong on cgl. Can’t you all make a discord? Or is it that you’re all “rival” groups and selfposters and the lack of anonymity isn’t appealing to you? Grow out of high school theater club please.
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>>10168714
nail on the head anon!!

no one who posts criticisms here would ever dare say it off-anon. prob because they know they don’t live up to their own standards as performers either (or don’t even have the guts to try to begin with)
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>>10168714
>>10168719
As someone who’s not really part of the community nor is friends with anyone in the community, I have no problems saying anything off anon. But it’s no secret regardless of who you are, being “mean” doesn’t work out well because everyone likes to label people as haters or assholes. Just shut up and let people be for fucks sake. If the threads weren’t meant to be here, mods would’ve put a ban on them by now no?
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>>10167733
Back to the wig debacle,
What do you think of unnatural colored wigs, but with natural roots (pic as an example)
Would that be ok or would it still be pushing it?
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>>10168735
I personally think the quality of the wig matters as well as the way it’s done. Poor quality is clearly bad but good quality with natural looking color is okay. I’d be iffy on that one but one where it’s mostly natural and fades is a different story.
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>>10168735
I that one would be cute as long as you style it right! I think wigs, especially fashion wigs, are fine even if they’re a different color as long as they look nice and have a somewhat natural feel.
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Paida is going to be performing in Japan this summer! I'm so excited for her and I wish her the best.

And some other upcoming stuff: Astreal will be performing at Nezumi Con on Saturday, May 25, and the line-up for CTX Summer Idol Festival (also May 25th) was announced, consisting of Argo Idols, Hoshigumi, Melancholiaah, Prismatic Love, Project Inifinite and Risa Rosé.

>>10168752
>I think wigs, especially fashion wigs, are fine even if they’re a different color as long as they look nice and have a somewhat natural feel.
Seconded! Invest in a wig that isn't super shiny and costumey.
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Aquaria's hanamaru is leaving the group. Thoughts??
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>>10168980

It's not too surprising. I don't think there's any bad blood but because they're popular in their comm they feel the need to churn out content (new costumes, dances, even their practice sessions) and I think she's gotten tired of it.

It's a shame because I liked her but we never saw much of her because the other members overshadow her so much and Hanamaru hasn't received much focus in Aqours as a group. We don't hear/see much from the Riko either.
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>>10168752
>>10168784
>>10168826
Interesting! Thanks for your thoughts, guys!
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>>10168167
If not lipsyncing, you have to at least have good expressions. I hate watching a high energy dance and seeing people look angry/numb/scared/etc because they’re too focused on remembering the dance; even if they nail all the moves, it still brings everything to the next level if you interact with the audience using your eyes/face. That said, I love lipsyncing and feel like it makes a lot of dances look cuter/like the dancer is more into it.
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>>10168714
Most of the groups discussed are lovelive cosplay groups, that much fits /cgl/. Even if it pisses off the """real aidorus""".

>>10168719
Gulls are catty by default, anon. We all know that. Most of the posters in these threads are people in rivaling groups who have beef with each other.
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>>10169170
Agreed. I've seen enough groups, and the ones who have zero emotion too focused on not fucking up are not very fun to watch.

A+ for getting up on stage, but if you want to stand out, you gotta work on more than just the movements.
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>>10168826
>Paida
I can't tell if she's 14 or 24.
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>>10169464
Agreed!! Being an idol is being an entertainer!! And as in all entertainment fields...it requires showmanship and connecting with your audience. If you're not dedicated to conveying something to an audience and are just there to go through the motions like a classroom assignment, you're not an entertainer. Have something to give. Your talents and skills as an entertainer are for the audience, so that's where your focus should be.
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>>10167697
How rude can someone get?
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Ok, I never thought I'd be coming here but I'm not sure what else to do.
So, I've already got stuff out, and I'm working on merch, but I can't seem to get people to check out my channel and stuff.

Any advice? What is it you all want to see?
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>>10169590
get lewd
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>>10166475

Thanks for the info, SNH48 is a good example of having something for everyone, using the subunits, they have something for every type of fan (7Senses for the cool/sexy style, ColourGirls for the classic innocent/pure idol image and BlueV for energetic style that Yurika Kubo would do for Vivid Vivid).
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Julily x Ari。Ki - Better Without You (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAC3nqy4e8g

Jyuke x Xion - Mite Mite Kochichi (Momoiro Clover Z)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZN7KAEvC8A

Tuna - Citron no Tadashii Nihongo Kouza? (Act! Addict! Actors!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugEsL0CqBDg

>>10169590
What is it that you do currently? And what social media do you use?

Maybe you might need to tag your content more? Participate more in the odorite/idol community? (Join the Overseas Idol Collection, leave genuine comments on other people's content, etc.)
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is anything happening at fanime?
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>>10169631
pretty sure there's an idol type show case at stage zero. calina from mosuri will be performing on it friday evening i think?

>>10169590
>Any advice? What is it you all want to see?
You absolutely have to up your social media presence. I'm not talking about posting every day, but posting wisely. If I'm being entirely honest, one thing that absolutely deters me from checking out somebodies stuff is honestly if it just looks bad. If you create flyers or any sort of advertisement and it looks like ~graphic design is my passion~ level of ms paint garbage that's a red flag for me. I am assuming that since you're at the level of creating merchandise that you're capable of creating a decent advertisement, but I'd always get a second opinion from friends or even followers if you'd like a more unbiased thought process.>>10168167
>What I wanted to know is how important is lipsyncing as a performance element to you?
It definitely helps, but I personally don't think it's necessary as long as your facial expressions are good. This is something you'll have to work on with your members, since people have a tendency to deadpan which is unpleasant to watch.
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>>10169638
>pretty sure there's an idol type show case at stage zero. calina from mosuri will be performing on it friday evening i think?
looks like its at 4:30pm which is too early for me to get out of work.
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A LoveLive group I follow posted this a while back to announce their upcoming life, and I'm considering doing something similar for my group. Any thoughts on this before I do something cringy?
https://youtu.be/Kd3I5rdNYQ4
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>>10169597
Honestly this isn’t bad advice. Might not be the attention you’re looking for, but it does work, and you can make money off it if you market it right.
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>>10169846

I mean I could agree with this, but there are a ton of already attractive ones out there lmao.

You need to have some level of talent at this point hahaha imo.
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Did anyone see Io’s video on her tick attacks? I feel kind of bad for her, but I think out of all the ticks she could have gotten at least hers are cute.
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>>10169927
I did! It seems like a pain in the butt to deal with, and I imagine the kids at her school were not kind about it. But she's cute regardless, and it was interesting seeing a post bringing awareness to it. I love her cute weeb outfit in that video.
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>>10169597
if I could recruit people into a sexy concept idol group I would
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post the lo video
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>>10169954
why is it hard to recruit people?
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>>10169957
Too many people fixated on their uwu kawaii image or don't want to cater to creepy dudes

maybe unpopular opinion but cute concepts aren't any less pandering to gross fantasies than sexy concepts
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>>10169954
I'd be down for that concept if I wasn't self conscious lmao
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nothing wrong with creepy dudes
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>>10169965
People keep saying things like this and I think ya’ll are missing a big point

the majority of people doing this were inspired by cutesy groups. they saw cute idols and wanted to try it for themselves for fun.

is it the best approach for the western audience? no. but if people are just doing this for fun it makes sense they would go for the cutesy image that they fell for in the first place. I don’t see why that’s an issue
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>>10165136
coco looks like a man and is fat
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>>10169979
not bashing cute concepts. Just wish people would branch out more
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arent there groups doing alt idol stuff?
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>>10169927
Yeah, I'm so glad she's brave enough to talk about it. I'm proud of her for bringing more awareness for it!
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>>10169982

Basically the point I was trying to make earlier, glad I'm not the only one
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>>10169982
>>10170051
Shut the fuck up already you were ignored for a fucking reason.
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>>10169842
Oh gosh, that's so cute. I wish more groups did things like that, honestly! Cute travel vlogs and things other than just dancing mvs are really nice, for both original groups and love live groups.
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>>10170170

Eat shit and die nigger
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>>10170231
Wow.
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what are some songs that males can perform to? entry level stuff.
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>>10170231
Jeez, anon. Save the kink talk for your bedroom.

>>10170262
Male idol songs/Anisongs? Or would you mind doing LL/Vocaloid?
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>>10170265
well, i should say dances i guess since i cant sing
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>>10170268
i dont mind the source, as long as the dances are easy enough
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>>10170262
Check out IDOLiSH7, Aichuu, Pripara and Im@s Side-M! all of those have easy male songs
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>>10170273
ok i will look, thanks
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Looks like Kuro Hime released a dance cover and teaser.
Thoughts? I'm not sure how I feel, though I think her song sounds like it might be decent
https://youtu.be/5J0TKcXQaJ0
https://youtu.be/QSKzzb0n9Uc
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>>10169927
Honestly Io's adorable including her tics and it makes me sad to think that people at her school bully her for it.
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>>10170435
Who are you guys talking about? I don't know that many idols
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>>10170448
Io's part of Astrealidols (and said tick video is on their instagram) and a former member of Stellure. She was one of the last members to join before they disbanded
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>>10170325
Her song sounds like it'll be pretty good, but the one thing I have about her dance practice is that it was kinda hard to watch when she was justifying her moves or lack thereof. It looked like she was making excuses as to why her dancing did not look absolutely perfect. I feel like idols shouldn't post cover videos onto Youtube until they feel confident enough to post an actual, legit full cover. I love watching progress/practice videos because it makes me feel more involved in the cover making progress, but I don't think they should go on Youtube.
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>>10169170
I hope you’re sharing this advice with idolized and we see an improvement in their distracting concentration faces
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>>1017059
I don't think sharing progress videos on youtube is a bad thing. But it's more suited AFTER the official dance is already out. Then I think it's more appropriate. I love seeing practice and behind the scenes stuff. It includes you on all the hard work that went into it and it's a good method of showing idol personalities too.
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Here’s a new dance cover from Bless

https://youtu.be/qr2SZU_bzjk
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>>10169630
I'm glad to see a video of Julily's original song with clearer audio.

That Momoiro cover is really energetic and fun, they did well.
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>>10169631
I believe they plan on live streaming the performance stages, which is pretty convenient
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Asking an honest question for honest answers. What do you guys think of soloists or duos/small groups starting a (larger) group to promote and push themselves vs the group as a whole? What do you think is a good way to do that without totally writing off other members? I’m asking with dotBless, Ambiflora, and also with past groups/soloists.
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They are debuting soon
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>>10170325
That intro was so long it hurt, Most of that could’ve just gone in the caption I don’t see why she had to put a minute of text. Even quiet audio behind it would’ve made it ok
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>>10170976
They have all my support! I remember way back when Stellure started, and amidst all the drama and stuff surrounding Bright Future, one of the comments here stuck out to me because it said something along the lines of idols being a story, and how they hoped Stellure would keep going and improving to tell a great story. I started off thinking they were ridiculous but they really did grow on me, and now that they've disbanded, I couldn't be more happy that these three chose to continue. They have the experience of Stellure's failures behind them, we already know they're pretty talented at singing and cute, and they have the same team that Stellure had for composing, mixing, etc. By continuing as a small, close-knit group rather than the huge group Stellure was, they're avoiding the kind of problems that we saw plaguing Stellure throughout their span, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the direction they take with this fresh start.
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Hoshigumi - Power Up (Red Velvet)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TzZ9G04ck

Jojo - DEEP BLUE SONG (iMarine Project)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGri1BL6F9U

Jyuke - 1 Femto no Oozora (Hyadain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyrBvdFANv8

meri - GOGOBEBE (MAMAMOO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuL6e6tcXKY

>>10170262
I have a playlist of some male idol dance shots and practice videos, but I don't really know how to gauge the difficulty of a dance, so sorry I can't help much in that regard.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfmgukQM2isXrJvrzS4U531P4ABwdBdO8

I hope you're able to find something that suits you!

>>10171013
>I couldn't be more happy that these three chose to continue.
>I'm really looking forward to seeing the direction they take with this fresh start.
>They have all my support!
Same here!
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>>10170448
>not knowing stellure
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who are some active texas idols?
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>>10170744
It's a hard question to answer, because in making a group with someone who is (slightly because in the end we are a pretty small community, lol) more well known it is a delicate balance of using the more known one to get people exposed to the group and get opportunities, yet the known one almost taking a step back to make sure the other members are well exposed as well to help the groups popularity and internal balance be stable.
A big tipping point in that is that the situation may come about where the one who was the most known at first could be overshadowed in popularity by other members, and they have to be okay with that or else the group will collapse. (Makes me think of Stellure)
Put another way, if someone makes a group just to have backup dancers or accesories for their performances and doesn't have their heart in it to really work together and accept members where they are or where they may rise to, they are in for a bad time.
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>>10171099
go to texas idol festival
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>>10170744
Answering from my own personal experience it definitely depends on the intention and goals of the “more popular” member especially if they started the group. I’ve always been interested in creating a platform to showcase cool things. If there’s cool people putting themselves out there and doing cool things I want to help them succeed. I’ve also enjoyed the motivational boost from my group and the camaraderie. I was in a failed group growing up and don’t like dancing alone that much. Now that I can offer more things that help with the idol sort of platform I’m glad to share and help my friends also work towards their dreams. I try to give the support I wished I had starting out.
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>>10171072
I know stellure but didn't know all of the members by name my bad
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How do you guys feel when somebody sings in a voice that isn't necessarily their natural voice? I feel like I don't have a very good normal voice when singing, but when I pitch myself upward a little bit when singing I sound noticeably better. Is this an issue for other people?
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>>10171154
Who cares? Plenty artists do that
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>>10171154
>>10171196

i agree it’s fine

but there are some people who might say it’s cringey, that happens on this board
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>>10171154
Pretty much any music released now has a ton of post-processing to make the vocals sound better than their natural voice. It's fine, and to some point expected, for you to do the same. Just make sure you work on your natural voice as much as you can too, especially if you plan on singing live. As long as there's not a huge difference between your live singing voice and your processed voice, people won't mind a bit of roughness in your natural voice.
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>>10171099
Since the other anon didn’t really answer your question, here’s some Texan idols who are performing soon.

Melancholiaaah (although she is more of an idol inspired musician)
Mahou Bunny
Galaxy Girl Paida (in Japan)
Project Infinite (Vocaloid cover group)
Hoshigumi
Risa Rosé
Rith (although I’m not quite sure what she classifies herself as)
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Since you all seemed to be very well versed in the idol community, what advice would you give to new groups trying to make a name for themselves? Cover groups and original groups.
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>>10171585
Hi! I can't give you any advice on how to get followers or anything (I barely have any myself), but there's a few things you can do to at least get established and put out good content:

-Before all else, practice. Too many groups get caught up in the easy/fun parts and don't practice, so their outfits might look great but they can't even sidestep in sync.

-Try to balance your social media posts between fluff posts and "real" content. If you only post when you release a song/cover. then you might not have a lot of posts because those big things take effort, but if all you post is selfies and fun facts, then it looks like you don't do much. Progress videos can be fun, but make sure they show effort and improvement and aren't just a half assed try at putting out content.

-Do not engage in drama at all. It will guaranteed make things a million times worse. If someone is dragging you in DMs, Tellonym, 4chan, etc, just let it roll off of you. Accept the criticism if it's something that you can learn from, and if it's just mean let it go. If it something you absolutely have to respond to publicly, keep it professional and leave details/feelings out of it. "We are aware of the accusations made by X and are dealing with it privately, thank you for your understanding."

-Accept critique, accept change, accept being less than perfect. You won't be as good as you imagine in your head, that's totally fine. Make sure you are always learning and improving but don't stress about getting every detail perfect. Having fun and giving a strong effort will make you more appealing than being a stressed out robot in videos/on stage.

-Engage with the rest of the community! This is the kind of thing where most of your fans will be other idols and performers, so they'll be your biggest source of support and promotion. Join collabs if you want, see if there's any dance/idol festivals in your area, interact with people's posts on social media.
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>>10171598
Just to reinterate:
Stellure's disbanding fiasco is a perfect example of what NOT to do in the idol community
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>>10171623
Was there a 'fiasco'??
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Honey Hime - Be Comics 2019 Performance Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEWA11Pzgqw

Juvanixx Project - Life Will Change (Persona 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVcYrULCqo

Pengy from Mosuri - HONEY (Cyndi Wang)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a5m4OZLdLE

>>10171653
>Was there a 'fiasco'??
Yes, mainly due to Mimi's goodbye message discrediting the other members for not meeting her expectations. Look a bit through this archive, starting from the post linked and downward.
https://warosu.org/cgl/thread/10111120#p10118982
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>>10171691
That P5 cover is amazing
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oh my god no
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>>10171965
Jfc you are quick LMFAO leave her alone.
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>>10170325
Shes not a terrible dancer which is refreshing! She really just needs to be putting out more content so people dont forget about her. Shes got a lot of potential
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>>10170992
And I agree... way too long winded holy shit lol.
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>>10171965
Interesting that she's abandoning her old composer too. If she's gotten to the point that she's barely friends with anyone from her old group, what makes her think a new group, started only 3 months after her old one disbands, will go any different?
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>>10171965
I'm not against her being in a new group, but she should really wait for the dust to settle. I also hope someone else will be the leader, because I doubt she's fully learned from her mistakes by now.
Good luck to whoever joins her. May their heart be strong
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>>10172071
How long do you think someone should wait?
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>>10172018
I worked with their composer before and you have to be really up his ass to get anything done and he forgot about the song MULTIPLE times. And I was PAYING him. I don't blame her for not wanting to deal with that anymore.
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>>10172098
At least until the final album is released.
I guess it's not really important, since the other members have already done some stuff with their groups, but since she got a lot of backlash for being rude/uncaring to her old members, I think it's fitting to wait a respectful amount of time.
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So Squeeze updated their website. I dislike it.

http://geocities ws/squeeze/

Near the bottom they have a schedule and the last one is a general election. I sincerely hope their announcement on June 8 is announcing more members because right now they only have 2. An election with that little members doesn’t even make sense.
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Jenny posted some pictures and she's sporting some new bangs. I wonder if she keeps up with these threads because it was recently discussed how much better she'd look with bangs. I think this is a definite improvement.

Here's some recent videos so my post isn't as off-topic:

Heart Shot Dance - 【Domo】ヒロインになろうか!踊ってみた - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaoh-ZhKKE [Embed]

Holly Heart - Yuri!!! on ICE | Dean Fujioka - History Maker [Norway Version] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9nCcakTa6I [Embed]

HoneyHime - Be Comics 2019 ~ Live Highlights - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEWA11Pzgqw [Embed]
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>>10172258
she looks 100% better with bangs, wow.
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>>10172018
There was a lot of drama. She didn't pay and was bossy towards him, straight up telling him she didn't like one of the songs he composed for her. They weren't on good terms.
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>>10172163
I wouldn't mind it so much if she just up and started a new group with people she knew, but at least in my experience, starting an idol group with complete strangers is a horrible idea, and with her bad leadership skills, i don't think she could keep it together. It would be even worse than before, because I think Stellure she started it with friends? But they started so long ago I can't even remember.
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>>10171691
Cyndi is so cute that she is waifu tier
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>>10172581
Pengy****
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>>10172330
Yeah she looks really cute. I'd also love to see her do some half up half down style with her hair sometime.
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I wish we had a vs election like who's the better leader/singer/visual. Itd be totally subjective but I think itd be fun for us to try. Rather than a big general election just put two idols up against each other.
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>>10172493
In my experience started a group with people you do know if worse since you might be more lax with them because they're your friends and you don't want to hurt their feelings. I've had people I knew, or someone in the group knew apply to my group and I always felt pressured into letting them join because I was afraid they'd hate me if I didn't. That might just be a personal problem though with not being strong-willed enough to look out for the best interests of the group.
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>>10172471
Okay but if she was bossy in terms of trying to get him to finish a song, which I also had to do, I understand? There's a lot of terms that are being left out here. And if you don't like the song someone made, you should say something?? Like why would you use something you didn't like? But also I understand that there comes more freedom to be pushy when you aren't paying, if that is the case.
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Are paying* stupid auto correct.
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>>10172493
Honestly what >>10172727 said, with friends you tend to be more lax. My group when it started consisted of people who were strangers to me but the key is to work on the friendship and trust aside from making sure groupthings get done. It's worked so far but as opposed to whatever Mimi will most likely will do again, it's because we don't have a set leader and everyone has their own thing they take care of within the group. In Mimi's case, it is probably best to start a group with friends, since with strangers I can almost guarantee her not knowing what they can bring to the table/not knowing if they're up to her standards, hence doing everything herself and then overworking again.
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>>10172834
We don't know that she doesn't have that in mind. In fact, she could even have a MUCH smaller group. It's not uncommon for people to see where things went wrong last time and try to be better. You guys need to have more faith. She's a smart enough person. We don't have all the facts and what really happened behind the scenes. So it's really not fair to judge her negatively without knowing the full extent of her side.
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>>10171965
despite everything else I've always thought her art was really cute. Why doesn't she just stick to what she's good at?
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>>10172249
I think its funny and cute! Never seen a group be so a e s t h e t i c before. That schedule said theyre releasing a cover. hopefully thats the end of the debate if it’s ok to talk about them. i haven’t seen something like them before. A two person election!? lololol maybe it has to do with their arg?
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>>10172849
I'm surprised that she's already wanting to start a new group, especially since even before Stellure disbanded she's been so far up Darling Idols' and Diet Shampoo's ass
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>>10173194
She has a passion for it. It's not surprising to me. I know when I left my old group, I soon felt I wanted to start my own because I missed it so much. And she more than likely wants to apply what she's learned and start over new so she can continue doing what she loves. Being part of darling idols night have given her a new perspective on things. And even if she was part of a love live group, nothing beats creating original work. Which she thrives on. She's so super creative and the start of a new adventure is exciting. That's how I see it anyway.
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>>10172249
wtf this site is so cute.....i feel like i just got slapped in the face by my old neopets' petpages
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>>10172816
>not paying for a service that takes 20+ hours
>complaining about the result
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>>10172919
>lololol
Mimi?
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>>10172849
>>10173218
Not to mention the Mimi ass kissing all of a sudden. "she's so super creative"? Lmao. Really makes you think.
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>>10173239
I'm just someone who has always admired her work. And I don't think any of this hate and unforgiving energy towards her is warranted whatsoever. Like ya'll never made mistakes or learned from em.
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>>10173244
Coming to /cgl/ to try and change people's opinions is a bad idea, newfag.
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>>10173244
We'd forgive her if she, I don't know, apologized? Since Stellure started she was doing the shit where she took a bunch at once, refused to let her group help her, and procrastinate constantly. She's made no indication that she'll change, or even that she's sorry for how she treated her group members.
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BonBonn - Water Blue New World (Aqours / Love Live!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSM97NKr7J8

Flusay Girls - NaYa (Original)
Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSlouvxWrno
English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T1vqMrisgc

Himeluka - TOKIMEKI Escalate (Idolm@ster)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBOXI_zcvXA

Seishun Youth Academy - Live Party! @ Toho Village Performance Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQO01xTOo8s

Siam*Dream - Espresso MV Teaser (Original)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyRCgcfWZq4



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