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Spiders are literally the coolest things on earth
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The only people that dont like spiders are normalfags
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>>3126006
That's not true the spider had to go back to the surface to grab another air bubble every once in a while.
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>>3126006

How do people explain this if evolution is just random?
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>>3126050
because you don't hear about all the failed experiments and all the stuff that doesn't really work because it all died
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>>3126050
Evolution isn't random. Spider that went underwater lived and made babies, keep this going and you have an underwater spider
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>>3126050
Who told you that?
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>>3126006
How the fug does it eat then?
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>>3126117
They are not trapped in the bubble. When they leave, their abdomen is surrounded by another bubble that acts as an oxygen tank.
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>>3126117
They just need a literal diving bell.
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>>3126124
>>3126120
Why cant they just live on land and save the hassle?
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spider scary
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>>3126128
that's for normies
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>>3126128
Less predators underwater I would assume.
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>>3126128
Fish have no way of defending themselves, its a whole phylum of new food that no other arthropod can touch
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I can’t help it, I don’t hate spiders I just get an immediate intense fear when I see one irl
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>>3126050
if that spider was created to live underwater, then why can't it breathe water?
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>>3126148
>its a whole phylum of new food that no other arthropod can touch
You mean arachnids, because there's plenty of arthropods that eat fish.
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>>3126155

No fish can breathe water, they filter oxygen through the gills.
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>>3126154
The only bug thats ever caused me to experience actual physical reactions are roaches.
Nothing scarier than being in your semi trash filled room, hearing a plastic bag moving and then seeing one of these giants in the corner of your vision. Literally just freeze up for 2 to 5 minutes everytime I've seen one in my house
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>>3126164
Maybe clean up your house
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>>3126169
It is clean and I live in a Brooklyn apartment so no matter what I'm see one at some point.
At the time i just head papers and plastic bags lying around, not even food.
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>>3126164
Roaches, house centepedes and big house spiders are the worst. They always just pop up somewhere like they have been living in your house for years
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>>3126184
Shit. Two minutes after posting this a huge spider crawled up from behind my radiator. If i hadnt seen him and thrown him out he would probably been tea bagging me all night
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>>3126184
I don't mind the spiders or pedes, and if I find them I'll usually just house them in an enclosure.
But roaches are awful, it doesnt help that theres no natural predator for them in the city
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Have you guys ever smelled a millipede? Their smell is revolting,one of the worst things I ever smelled.
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>>3126752
I fucking hate these faggots
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>>3126752
That's because it's generally their only method of defense. Millipedes are harmless, good lil dudes.
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>>3126148
You realize fish is not a singular specie, right? Fish are at the top of the food chain in water, they eat them spiders.
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>>3126780
Im aware but where this spider resides would have small fish and aquatic insects.
Theres also thr fact that fish most likely dont even notice the spider since its in a literal air bubble
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>>3126752
>thread about cool spiders
>duuuuuh have anybody smelled these?
O.o
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>>3126809
People started talking about other arthropods so I thought it was relevant enough.
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>>3126006
Yeah okay but how does it eat if it's locked itself inside a bubble?
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I really want to not be afraid of spiders, but I'm allergic so when i get bit, i have a serious reaction

I'm sorry, spiders
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>>3127113
>>3126120
>>3126124
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>>3126752
It is a cyanide based poision.
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>>3126050
It isn't. Random mutations are factor of evolution, not everything.
Evolution actually explains alot of pointless and weird animals, unlike creationism where it would appear creator doing stuff for no reason.
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>>3127425
>Random mutations
They are driven by natural selection.
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>>3126050
It's not that it's merely "random" - it's that the incredible systems we see in nature are complex. Complex in specific terms means "irreducible" - you cannot simplify and remove or merge any parts without totalling compromising its functionality or efficacy.

Simple features like a leg being longer or shorter, or an organism having more or less skeletal density, are very easy for evolution to explain. The prescence of complex traits that don't seem to resemble anything else, requires a deeper take.

Consider troglodytic animals. These creatures have larger or entirely lost their eyesight as a result of adaptation to dark underground environments. Note - *lost*. Evolution doesn't just add traits or tweak neutrally, it also subtracts.

Now when you examine most of the details of any complex organism, they only make sense in the concept of sight. Pretty much every animal that comes to mind is optimised around being able to see it's environment. But troglodytes have these features as well, despite being blind. Why? Because they used to have sight, which formed a part of all the other traits it has, but adapted by losing its sight while retaining the rest. It could afford this due to its extreme environment - all other environments would make the loss of eyesight too crippling to be neutral or tolerable, nevermind successful.

But environments change all the time, and creatures move from environment to environment. Examine the diving bell spider from the "subtractive evolution" perspective introduced above. The spider may be descended from an ancestor which had many intriguing web functionalities, and some of them could combine together to make a diving bell work. For instance, the able to lay a flat web across water to act as an oxygen barrier, and the ability to make a web cocoon. Combine them and boom, diving bell. There are all manner of alternative "ability pathways" that could lead to the diving bell conclusion.
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>>3126128
Why can't birds live on land and save the hassle? Why not dolphins?
Idiot.
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>>3126154
That's because you wouldn't be here if your ancestor's DIDN'T freak out whenever they saw a spider. And prior to the internet, tv, film, and colour print era, the only way to see a spider is to be near one.

a) Don't feel bad - you're more likely to not get bitten by a venomous arachnid to death than most of us in this thread
b) Don't go to spider sanctuaries and cause carnage for the innocent specimens and researchers
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>>3127459
:D baited you good, didnt i?
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>>3127465
Never try to pass off another anon's stupidity as your own bait
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>>3127464
Evolutionary explanation of arachnophobia is sketchy at best.
If that would be the case, more people would be afraid of dogs. And the numbers of each are probably opposite.
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>>3127470
Are you suggesting that there aren't enormous incentives for humans to specifically want to spend time around dogs?
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How many of you spider lovers live in cold weather climates or areas that have hard freezes every year? I bet you'd like them a lot less of you couldn't even walk out to your car without dodging webs and knowing most of them around you are poisonous. Or take a shit without some little brown bastard slowly descending from the vent.

>t Floridafag who is currently debating whether or not to kill the banana spider outside my window, last time I let one live they exploded all over the yard and house.

Goddamn invasive species taking food from legitimate hard working Murican predators.
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>>3127474
Are you saying evolutionary adaptations transpired within ~20k years since we domesticated wolf?
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>>3127485
Look at the fangs on this fucker, he's also uncomfortably close to the AC, last thing I need is more of them hatching in the damn air ducts
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>>3127491
One last pic, the deed is done
Press F
I almost feel bad, almost. I gave the cheeky bastard like 2-3 days to move. Not letting them take over my yard again
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>>3127491
>>3127502
it's a harmless argiope aurantia, it will keep shit flying insects at bay
i implore you reconsider
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>>3126128
What makes you think it's a hassle for them? They do it naturally.
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>>3127486
100% fucking percent. It's called breeding.
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>>3127486
anyone with a brain would still get scared of any wild canid, and there are some people afraid of domestic dogs thanks to getting barked/bitten as a child, but most just don't associate modern dogs with wolves
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>>3127582
Wary, yes. Scared, no - most wild canids are more scared of a grown man than he ought to be back.
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>>3127485
nice bait, almost bit
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>>3126006
When I die, if I'm not reincarnated as these spiders, I'm going to kill the president of Japan.
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>>3126018
The fuck is that?
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>>3126153
This is kinda hot. Imagine putting your penis in that tiny abdominal and seeing it move underneath while you pump her like a pocket pussy.
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>>3127502
F ;-;
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>>3127934
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>>3127934
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>tiny harvestman in my kitchen caught a stinkbug ten times his size in his web

wh- what's he gonna do with that bug
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>>3127491
Those aren't fangs, retard, they're palps. Basically tiny spider hands.

But I don't blame you. FLfag here too and I can't walk anywhere after dark without catching 20 single strand webs in my face which sucks because nightwalks are kino.
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>>3126154
Same. Jumpers are my only exception.
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>>3127491

Those aren't fangs.
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>>3126163
>No fish can breathe water, they filter oxygen through the gills.
Mammals don't breathe air, they filter oxygen through their lungs.
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>>3126006
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>>3129118
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>>3129121
Took these pics in WI
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>>3127418
Which is exactly why you should eat it.
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>>3126771
how can you hate them, they are harmless and they have cheery little robot faces
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look at this guy
how can you hate that face
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>>3127923
An assassin spider.
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>>3129153
Ummm...
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>>3127923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF7_HS_sihI
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>>3129153
I like how they just start slapping each other
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>>3129016
ovvo
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>>3129127
I thought all organism with basic light-sensor patches for eyes were extinct, and never new that millipedes were these dudes all along. Neat
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>>3129317
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_eye_in_invertebrates
There are many species of animals with rudimentary eyes.
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>>3129319
A lot of herps and fish possess a parietal eye too.
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>>3126006
I don't think so, OP
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>>3126050
Evolution doesn't exist. Everything is just created
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>>3129420
proof?
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>playing vidya
>notice a spider hanging from the ceiling on its silk, just suspended there at eye level about six inches to my right
>spend a minute checking out the pattern on its back and just watching it sit there fidgeting with its little spider limbs
>it climbs back up to the ceiling and goes home

Sleep tight arachbro.
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>>3128080
Same anon here, hey I agree, I find jumping spiders real cute
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>>3126128
Sushi
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>>3127458
Are flying squirrels the in-between state from rats to bats?
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I keep rescuing spiders in the bottom of my bathtub. They fall in and can't climb out. I should drape a towel or something so they can crawl out on their own. Also find them in the toilet bowl.
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>>3129613
smae
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>>3126752
Do you have to be close to smell it?
I've picked them up before but I never stuck my nose close to them.
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>>3126062
This. Either you succeed long enough to keep going or leave something behind as proof, or you get snuffed out and forgotten entirely.
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>>3129908
Despite their appearance bats are not closely related to rodents. Animals don't "become" another existing animal like pokemon either.
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I love spiders because I came from a tropical country and spiders are my first line of defense against mosquitoes and flies. Really annoying to try and not kill them though since so many of them seem to have a death wish and kept making nest in my shower.
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>>3126006
I call bullshit on the last sentence.
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>>3129980
I could smell it from a distanced and after I picked it up there was a faint smell on my fingers.
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>>3130034
>The air bubble serves as an external lung that exchanges O2and CO2 with the surrounding water (de Ruiter et al. 1951). In many cases (Chaui-Berlinck, Bicudo & Monteiro 2001; Matthews & Seymour 2006), the respiratory function this air bubble is limited so that it serves as a diminishing resource: the bubble volume decreases steadily over time and the arthropod can remain underwater only for a finite period. The creatures of particular interest to our study are those that can stay submerged indefinitely and are thus relieved, at least on respiratory grounds, from making regular ascents to the water surface. In this circumstance, the air bubble, or ‘plastron’, maintains a constant volume. Mass transfer across the plastron surface depends on the chemical gradient across the interface and so is particularly efficient
in well-aerated water (Thorpe & Crisp 1947b; Rahn & Paganelli 1968).
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>>3130055
Nothing solid there, sounds like pseudoscience to me. Chemistry doesn't work that way.
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>>3129494
>playing vidya
This is the only story fragment I have ever read on this site that I actually believe
Also, the only reason jumping spiders are a meme animal is because of the neoteny of their big eyes.
Anyone who is overly interested in jumping spiders is probably a pedophile. The Japanese know this. That's why they put those pedobait robot jumping spiders in Ghost in the Shell: SAC. Our Nipponese friends are always the first to make a yen from perversion.
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>>3129319
>>3129321
At first I was overjoyed to be wrong for once, but on inspection these are just primitive eyes that I already knew about. They're not specifically what surprised me about the lil millipede (lillipede?) boyo in >>3129127.

Still cool to see the parietal eye on lizzids. Aka the thing that makes people call the pineal gland in humans our "third eye".
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>>3129437
To be fair to creationon, evolution is a claim that requires positive evidence to be taken seriously.
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>>3129494
This once happened to me one morning when I got in late from 2 am shop at the local 24 hour super store. The sun was rising visible through the curtains and I was laying on my bed in the nearly-dark room trying to sleep, when I saw a spider heading towards my belly from the shade on the light above. It would've made touchdown on the anonic surface, but I puffed at it and it retreated every time.
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>>3130263
And the other side conveniently doesn't require any arguments or evidence. It's enough to believe in an omnipotent entity that your parents and some pedophiles told you about.
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>>3129908
Interesting that you ask me. The literal answer is no, as bats, rats and flying squirrels all evolved simultaneous to each other, diverging from certain common ancestors. I would hazard that bats diverged first from this common ancestor and then the ancestors of squirrels (flying and otherwise) and regular mice-rat-rodents diverged later.

Referring just to the flight mechanisms involved? It's entirely plausible, though I have knowledge of if there is any fossil evidence or not to this effect, that the bat evolved first from a bat-like protorodent with a gliding membrane like a flyin squirrel. The bat's ancestors would've gradually developed a more indepth true flight mechanism through refinement of skeleton and muscles all over the body, with observable convergence towards the features of birds and pterasaurs. During and after this point, the bat's recent ancestors would then have lost traits, as described in the prior post, to become better and more effective dedicated flying organisms, so they would've refined the unnecessary burden of arms and legs optimised at all ground scurrying. This way the forelegs can become dedicated wings, with the optional to knucklewalk as a species-specific adaptation, and the rear limbs, being very short, for gripping onto branches and cave roofs.

Flying squirrels meanwhile are a relatively recent divergence from more typical squirrels, given their more obvious similarities to them and nearby rodentish mammals. They are another example of convergent evolution, this time towards the missing link bat ancestor proposed above. And rats are just rats.

In some abstract sense that blurs the above two concepts? Sure, for the sake of a short and inconsequential sentence, one can greatly simplify a flying squirrel as a half-bat-half-rat critter. But beware misleading naive and idealistic people, because if they a) think they grasp a complex reality and b) actually have no clue, they'll do something really stupid. Beware of folly!
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>>3130265
Yes, but don't act like you're different or better if you don't have the chops. Saying you believe what the science man tells you makes you the kind of joke that characterises reddit.
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>>3126128
>Why cant they just

it ain't about why can't
it's about why not
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>>3126752
>all those tiny feet
>footfaggot just has to get in and get a whiff
There is no hope for you.
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>spent all day killing mosquitos and feeding their fresh corpses to the jumpers that hang out on the side of my house

They eat right from your hands :::3
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>>3132204
I always thought mosquitoes were invisible.
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>>3132211
Not in florida they ain't
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>>3132219
Jesus
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>>3132211
Really?
>>3132219
I'm glad ours are getting ready for death. Next year you guys can just keep them.
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>>3130066
Does your idiocy require effort or does it manage to spill out of you all on its own? Either way, your commitment makes me a little jealous.
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Just found this one in my bedroom.
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>>3130066
>neoteny
Only a pedo would use this diction.

It's not that they resemble young eyes, I don't even know how you could make an implication of age when we're talking about a fucking arachnid, it's that they have arguably the most humanoid looking anterior eyes of the entire species. Not to mention the fact that they have fuzzy palps that cover their otherwise sinister looking fangs. They're popular because they don't look so alien.
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Sorry niggy, octopuses are cooler
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>>3132286
Maybe if they were terrestrial.
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>>3132288
>he doesn't know
land mud octopus that flies, look it up
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>>3126006
if i'm homeless but want a pet would a rose hair tarrantula be able to survive if i took him into the library every day with me in his terrarium?
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>>3132409
I think you got bigger things to worry about if you're homeless, bud
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>>3132281
Its the legs, 'normal' spiders got those fucking freaky long legs and they move really weird, jumpers are fat and move in a more 'acceptable' manner.
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>>3133437
>and move in a more 'acceptable' manner
>instantaneously teleports to its desired destination
You have a point about the legs though.
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Took this today on my front porch, these orb spinners have gotten bigger than usual. Lots to eat this summer I think. This one's easily 2.5 inches long counting the legs. Impressive snd rather beautiful imo.
Anyone know anything more about these guys?
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>>3127934
I think that's a guy
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>>3127934
Very based, but that's a male, fyi.
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>>3134585
looks like a neoscona crucifera
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>>3134585
Brown recluse for sure
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>>3127458
>The prescence of complex traits that don't seem to resemble anything else, requires a deeper take.
Nope. The "irreducibly complex" argument isn't new. At first it was eyes. "They're so complex, and if you take a part away it's useless", but that's never the case. Eyes have a long history of evolution all the way back to cells that are just kinda light sensitive. Even the flagella, the simple machine it is, came from a much simpler secretion system.
Whenever you think something is too complex to have evolved all at once, you're probably right, but if you think that means it couldn't have evolved, you're certainly wrong.
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>>3129315
>Not •°ovvo°•
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>>3127485
Spiders are venomous, not poisonous
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>>3127425
God coulda done it for the shits and giggles. If he was real
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>>3130273
Bats aren't actually actually closely related to rodents though, so far as I know their closest living relatives are ungulates, that's not to say they're particularly close.
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Does anyone know what kind of spider this is? It's the biggest spider I've ever seen outside of a zoo.
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>>3138236
Looks like a crabby boi
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>>3136977
venom is a poison, you pedant
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>>3138273

The scientist term is crabbos
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>>3138283
Crabbitous Goy is the correct name
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>>3138275
You can drink small amounts of most venoms no problem. Venom generally needs to be injected to do harm.
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>>3138236
Looks like a bog standard neoscona crucifera aka orbweaver.
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>>3126779
I mean, it’s an incredibly toxic poison, isn’t it? I wouldn’t say it’s exactly harmless.
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>>3130063
>he knows absolutely nothing about semi permeable membranes

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India i think

Anyone with an ID?

Sorry for the shit picture
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>>3130055

What book is this?
I need to buy it
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Xenesthis sp. Bright
(Colombian Lesserblack Tarantula)
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>>3127459
>birds live in the clouds
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>>3138633
The legs say orbweaver but everything else says crab imo. Shitty pic so hard to tell anyways.
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Can common house spiders eat bugs that are already dead?
A spiderbro made an absolutely stunning web just outside of my window (don't have any photos yet, pic not related) and i want to toss him some freshly swatted flies. Will he eat them? Or do they have to be alive when they hit the web?
I don't have much spoder experience.
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>>3139501
>freshly swatted
Yes, assuming you didn't flatten them like a pancake. Toss one into the web and he should go right for it.
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>>3139453

Ranchi Jharkhand India
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>>3127582
>most just don't associate modern dogs with wolves

Partly because dog evolution and acculturation has included the development of specific traits and behaviours to make them distinct from their wild relatives and more sympathetic and responsive to us, as well as vice versa.

Wolves don't have the eye sockets and eyebrows to properly do "puppy dog eyes", and even chimps don't udnerstand human body language (such as pointing) as well as dogs.
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Paraplectana duodecim maculata - ladybird mimic.
(Bandung, Indonesia).
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Mississippi
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>>3139501
Yeah, I feed my toilet long leg daddies silverfish.
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>>3139501

They'll eat if fresh.
They are attracted to the vibrations in thr web and they act pretty fast.
The act of throwing one in should make it excited enough
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>>3128068
>harvestman
>web
Pick one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiliones
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>>3126006
Posting my own spooder pics.
1/?
This fucker on my car whipped around and tried to bite me as I got my phone near, bouncing off my fingernail.
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>>3139609
2/?
This weirdo sticks it's bottom straight up and shakes it.
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>>3139613
3/3 for now.
I apologize for flipped phone pics.
This is one of the biggest of this kind I've ever seen.
Got home and my roomie left thw porch light off, I reach for the screen door in the dark and faintly see something wiggling right in front of my face.
>something is wrong.
Turn on phone light and:
This girl had webbed my entire screen door.
I nearly had her on my face.
She scurried off to a corner when I broomed her web off my door.
Sadly never saw it again.
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>>3139616
European garden spider/cross spider, i think. Araneus diadematus
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>>3139621
I believe you're right.
Any idea on the other two?

I'm just glad I like spiders (and most critters) or I'd have killed it on my door after a panic attack..
They're all over in my city and they all come out at night.
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>>3139624
>I believe you're right.
>Any idea on the other two?
>>3139609
I'm no expert, but Marpissa muscosa comes to mind, it's very common around here, just like the Araneus.
But you're better off asking an FB spider page or something, don't forget to mention location.
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>>3139613
Phidippus audax maybe? Just googled a bit. Again, ask an expert before naming your pics.
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>>3139625
Huh neat.
I live in michigan but I've seen plenty that aren't native here so who knows.
>tfw I once cought a "spider" that covered the bottom of a mason jar as a kid and my parents took it and killed it.
I'll never forgive them.
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>>3130700
lmao
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>>3127934
cumbrain
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Argentina
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>>3139659
It's got a Dorito on it's back.
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Black orb-weaver spider.

Nephila kuhlii.

Penang, Malaysia.
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H. multipuncta?
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
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>>3126006
how does the silk act as a gill, and can we use this technology in a teeny tiny rebreather?
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>>3127908
>president of Japan
that's silly
everyone knows the dolly llama is the one who determines your reincarnation schedule
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>>3126130
lol I just noticed this guy is trying to load 12 gauge rounds into a 20 gauge gun
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>>3126164
I've never seen a roach bigger than half an inch
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>>3129126
thanks dad
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>>3129908
no they're between rats and bees
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>>3127570
>one hundred percent fucking percent
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>>3129122
>just moved to WI
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
I need to go further north
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>>3129909
just flush them nigga lol what ru doing
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>>3130273
this would imply hundreds if not thousands of generations with incomplete and unusable flight structures... just because
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>>3135336
what I find fascinating about evolutionary biologists is that they're so keen to declare a new species when they find a neckbone that's slightly smaller than another yet don't bat an eye considering chihuahuas and mastiffs the same species
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>>3139648
SHES GOT A LITTLE BOW ON HER HEAD
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>>3140053
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wow that's a lot
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>>3140053
I love that
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>>3139565
Looks like when a teacher walks in on someone being bullied and they're like "we're just playing around man, h-haha"
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>>3129908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWeYCULC0UQ
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>>3139894
that's because a chihuahua can knock up a mastiff and produce a nonsterile child who can literally just keep interbreeding with every other kind of dog on the planet, whereas some animals may look remarkably similar but can't produce any offspring at all, or if they do it is a sterile hybrid

species definition isn't perfect, and in my opinion at the very least aborigines should be a subscpecies (and at the most all the races separate species) but i concede that the argument that we aren't is not unreasonable
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>>3127427
HURR DURR ONE POINT 4 U!! :DDD
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>>3129153
Cute
Why would someone do this anyway? Where is it from?
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>>3140634

To prove they aint so danger

I think its some fuckijg Aussie
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>>3126006
Hi Justin
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>>3126128
They just dominate a niche market.
Like studios specialized in puking porn.
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Rab spiderd have the ability to slowly change the color of their skin.
Limited to a white/yellow /green to mimic whatever flower they're hiding on or under. They wait for a pollinator and pounce
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>>3140824

Crab* not Rab
Thomisidae

Not all species can change color i might add.
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>>3140742
>when you hold hands with your girl
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>>3140687
Nigga they are surrounded by water, confused and scared. Of course they ain't so danger.
That guy was a faggot.
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>>3140879
The water is to get them off his hand safely.
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>>3140907
imagine if a woman's vagina looked like that
damn
i'd fuck
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>>3140917

You have some fucked up issues bruh
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what spider is this? northern california
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>>3126038
>”le kill it with fire roflmao xd”
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>>3129420
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>>3139659
the forbidden chip
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>>3142278
Venom and pain flavored
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>>3141403
probably marbled orbweaver
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>>3142304
it might not be visible from this angle, but the abdomen is not as large as it seems to be
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I got a medium sized spider in my home, that usually sits on its web. When it sees me it starts swinging with its legs non stop, but not really trying to run away. Is it trying to intimidate me?
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>>3143163
It's warning you to not violate NAP.
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Just found this one
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What about the lepidoptera?
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>>3126006
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Lad I found on my shower wall.
I think he's a male mecaphesa crabbo, I moved him to a flower in the garden because there's no food in my shower
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>>3127427
No they're random. They are SELECTED by natural selection. They aren't "driven" by it, mutations just randomly happen from any number of DNA transcription errors.

This is one of the fundamental aspects that you really need to get and is one of the main sources of people not understanding evolution.
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i disagree
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>>3144823
Natural selection is the driver, mutations are children on the back seat.
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>>3144845
If you need to force that meatphor then natural selection can work for the driver but mutation would more be like the engine. You can drive a car without children in the back.
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>>3135336
Also, people have been playing with lifeforms for a while now, they're trying to find the most reductive organism, by taking a single celled organism and removing its genes to see what "smallest combination possible" still lets it function.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium
Also, Craig Venter is insane, everyone should know who this guy is.



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