This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia families. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered Classifieds for finding breeders and products:>kingsnake.com>faunaclassifieds.com>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)>caudata.orgMost forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.When asking a question, make sure to include these details:>Type and size of animal>Enclosure dimensions>Humidity and temperature>Type of substrate>The decor you use>How often you feed>The type of food you use>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred>How often you handle>Who you bought the animal fromOther Helpful Resources>www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com>www.joshsfrogs.com>http://www.reptilesmagazine.com>http://www.anapsid.org>http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm>https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html>http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/Old thread: >>3089670
Forgive the early thread folks, just trying to avoid another discord debacle like what happened last week.
>>3098276You're doing God's work
>>3098374If I'm being honest I really don't like doing it. I didn't want this job anon. I just wanted to post about reptiles with my bros online.
Relevant meta thread. Please discuss the state of the generals here..>>3098409
>>3098477nothing will change unless someone who gives a shit about /an/ applies for mod or janny
>>3098461It's a dirty job, but it does have to be done
>pills that make you stare at food dispensers
>>3098271Are whites tree frogs worth it?
>>3098659What do you mean by “worth it”? They’re not particularly expensive last time I checked.
>>3098659They don't do much besides looking funny.
>>3098669More like worth the effort to set up some cool planted Viv for them.>>3098673That's pretty cool though
>>3098678>More like worth the effort to set up some cool planted Viv for them.Nah, not really. They sit in a hide all day and come out at night to croak and poop. I still like the ones i have.If i were you, i'd get some diurnal frog such as fire bellies, american toads, or even native lithobates.
Last time i went to slovakia, there were a shit ton of sand lizards, newts, and frogs. I really wish i could take a couple back to America so i can keep them as pets and maybe even breed and sell themHow would i be able to do this? Unfortunately a lot of the information i find is about taking them on planes from state to state, but not overseas.
What do people mean when they talk about providing their herps with enrichment?
>>3098768>enrichmentStuff to do, usually in the form of a variety of shapes and orientations of decor for them to explore.
>>3098772New objects to check out, different foods, stuff like that.
>>3098783Fug, meant for >>3098768
>>3098481pretty sure that "applications" are invite only unless the bulletin says that they are accepting applications
So the BP had a rough shed this time around. I was able to locate one of the eyecaps, but the other is unaccounted for along with half of her head shed. Does this look like a retained cap? The pale ring’s all I have to go off of, but I can’t recall if that’s an indicator or not.Also, sorry in advance for the poor quality/sideways shot, couldn’t get her to cooperate. If it’s not usable, I can snap another later
>>3099036Refocus and try again
>>3099135He's worried about getting toxopozzed
>>3099036>>3099068Attempt 2Admittedly, the ring I was seeing earlier appears to be gone so maybe it flecked off
>>3099240I'm buying a "How to into photography" book.but from pic it doesn't look like there's anything there.
>>3099240>>3099244Seconded. Looks clean.
>>3098732your best bet would be to talk to someone you know that imports reptiles or find ones already imported/bred
>>3098732In many European countries, all herps are protected and you'd just get your ass fined.
>>3099506Yurop is gay
>>3098271Is my boa fat?
Anyone have experience with Amazonian dart frogs? I'm thinking of setting up a nano vertical vivarium and was wondering if they would be an appropriate nano herp pet.
>>3100348How small is nano
>>3100348Probably not. Dart frogs travel a lot in the wild. I'd say a 20 gallon is the smallest you can go.
I love him.I got him some potted plants and he's a fan : )
>>3100634>snek in natural tube habitat
Anyone know how to treat snake cuts? I just pulled him out of his enclosure and found this cut on his belly. I scoured his enclosure looking for something that was sharp enough to cut him, but couldn't find anything that could of caused this.
>>3101024Irrigate the wound with clean water. Apply polysporin once daily. Remove loose substrate and use paper towels until it scabs over. The point of the paper towel is to remove incidence of loose substrate getting stuck to the polysporin.
>>3101039Thanks a ton, and should I wait until it scabs over to feed him?
>>3101024is it bleeding? cause I'm pretty sure that's its belly button.
>>3101102No it's not bleeding so it might be it's belly button, I just don't recall seeing it until now. Does the visibility of belly buttons vary between snakes?
>>3101024Pretty sure thats where it was connected the umbilicus and absorbed nutrients within the eggBut diluted clorhexadine or betadine both work for reptiles in the futureIve heard of neosporin also working if it doesnt have painkillers in it
Dreaming of getting a paradigm boa and making caramel blizzards.Hopefully dreams come true soon c:
>>3101102>>3101165It's the belly button for sure. Dont worry about it.I remember spending hours on Google after noticing a mysterious slit on the underside of my first snake. Lmao
Posting these dudes here too, caught them last night. I'm assuming they're bullfrog tads? Might set up a 20 gallon for them.
>>3101185could be bullfrog or green/bronze frog, those fuckers can be tricky to tell apart as adults sometimes let alone as tads.
Redpill me on blood pythons
>>3101316Central FL, so I'm not sure we have bronzes here.
>>3101321What sets them apart from BPs other than availability and color scheme?
>>3101373Well they do get bigger, so there's that. But the main thing is their attitude. If you do much reading, you'll probably come across people talking about how mean they are and how they're basically angry springs with teeth. While I, and other anons here, do believe this reputation is a little undeserved, it's not totally unfounded. In the early years they were importing wild caught bloods and I could easily believe they'd be a nightmare to work with. But folks have been breeding them for a while now and the captive bred bloods are more docile.However, they're attitude is still totally different than a balls. While both can be defensive balls tend to try and hide from you or get away. Bloods will pretty much square up and fight you man to man once they've had enough. I really don't mean to scare you off or anything, but they are more challenging to keep than balls. Though they are certainly doable if you're prepared and willing to put in the work
>>3101373Sumatran anon will probably be by shortly to add his 2 cents
>>3101400I H A V E B E E N S U M M O N E D>>3101373Bloods and shorties are generally larger in terms of length and girth and are a bit more tricky in terms of care. By no means are they green tree python or rainbow boa tier but they definitely prefer things on the more humid side. As another anon said they're more nervous and confrontational than balls when they've had enough of your shit and will fuck you right up if you persist in messing with them. They're also big on soaking whereas a ball might indulge on occasion. My girl will actually sit in hers for days at a time and only come out to warm up/dig around for a bit before it's back to the dish. Speaking of digging they greatly enjoy the activity and prefer deeper substrate so they can fully cover their bodies. Imho the biggest difference between the two is the sheer speed and force that bloods strike with. Balls can strike fast, but bloods strike faster and harder than their cousins from the dark continent despite their sluggish appearance. It's why I refer to them as the gaboon vipers of the python world. On a semi related note bloodgang folks here will also occasionally refer to them as bloatlord snakes due to their thicc bodies actually being comprised of way more muscle than their squishy appearance belies. All and all, bloods are to balls what a jaguar is to a leopard. Bigger, more aquatic, more capable of causing you harm. That said, so long as you're patient and respect them for what they are as you work with them you shouldn't have to worry about that last bit.
Alright so I got this brilliant idea of putting a non-poisonous semi-aquatic frog species and an axolotl together, unfortunately there isn't a lot of info on this topic so I want the opinion of you guys.
>>3101445>that picfucking kek
>>3101373I'm not a fan of the limited color palette on them. Every morph is a variation of red to yellow/ivory with different variations of speckling. I have 2 bloods. I love them both, they're a joy to handle. But man am I hoping that I can get ivory albinos in just 2 generations so I can focus 100% on boas.aside from that they're just grumpy. The reputation they have as springs with teeth is a little exaggerated but not unfounded like the other anon said.Bloods hiss loudly and thrash a lot in your hands, if you're intimidated and cant handle the situation confidence you are going to get bit guaranteed.But great fun snakes if you want a single one as a pet. Love that head shape as well, kind of like a boa's.
I handled am eastern worm snake today. Enjoyed it so much I decided to keep it. Anyone have any husbandry info on these? Coco husk right now with hot and cool side and dish. Going to try and keep it on meal worms as nightcra we less get expensive. This is a fun burrowing colubrid that only grows about a foot.
>>3101472>Bloods hiss loudly and thrash a lot in your hands, if you're intimidated and cant handle the situation confidence you are going to get bit guaranteed.Mine only huffs a bit, never got a thrash out of her. I think it comes down to how frequently/in what manner they're handled. The hissing just seems to be a species thing like with carpets and you just have to make certain you learn the difference between the huffy general hisses and the "I will violently fuck your soul if you don't put me down" hissing.
I let my grandmother take care of my leopard geckos and they're now morbidly obese.
>>3101641Well it's a grandmas job...
What temps are too low and too high for a ball python?
And is it normal for a ball python to spend the vast majority of it's time in its hide once it's gotten used to it's new home?
>>3101750They're not super active
>>3101814What's a comfy temp range for them? I've got it at 80f on the ground level of the warm side right now. Afraid to make it too hot.
>>3101863The basking spot can be like 90, but ~80 for ambient hot side should be fine
So my kingsnake's been on a hunger strike for 6 weeks. He's otherwise active and friendly as ever, very alert and attentive and spending all his time on the cool end of his cage (room ambients 75-80, hot side is 85 with a CHE) mostly in the open or hanging out in his water. I'm guessing that the heat of summer raising my room temp (master bedroom's the hottest room in the house of course) combined with me deep-cleaning his enclosure triggered a breeding behavior. He's gone from 590g to 560g in that time, which honestly is fine since he was a little chubby and is probably a bit healthier weight now. He's between 2 and 3 years old.When presented a mouse, he avoids it like it annoys him, slamming it aside with his body if it touches him. He's a bit more curious about rats but shows no feeding interest. He's just as comfy with handling as always.Am I right in thinking this could be horniness? I'm going to get some frozen weekling quail with my next mouse/rat order in case he is just being bitchy about rodents, but his food strike has started to worry me.Poor fucker, we'll see if he likes poultry. Quail's a native, natural prey item for him.
>>3101914oh and forgot to mention, no mites. Have checked.
lil snake at my pond
>>3101914It may be a breeding thing. My rosy boa goes off feed every year for anywhere between a week to two months like clockwork at the start of summer.
>>3100538Ten to twenty vertical>>3100542I'm guessing a vertical tank wouldn't work either?
>>3101863if your hot ambient is 80 you're probably a touch low
what's a good small beginners reptile? I've always wanted one since I was a kid and now finally moved into my own place.
>>3102091Leopard gecko or african fat tail.
>>3102091The usual beginner snakes
>>3102091Blue tongue skinks. Loads of personality, perfect handling size and body shape, fun and easy to feed and pretty long lifespan. But really any herp is fine for beginners as long as they don’t grow fuck huge and require a large custom enclosure, have very specific requirements for temeperature/humidity and/or diet, have an aggressive temperament, or are exclusively wild caught with little captive care information available online.
>>3102166Yeah that's what I'm thinking, I just want a 1.5m long or so enclosure not a fuck huge iguana one. I do like the red tailed skunks tho.
I meant alligator skunks..
>>3101970>>3101971europond guy?grass snakes are cuties. They're the garter snakes of the old country.
>>3100031Doesn't look it, but the feeding schedule will tell us more. At this age, they generally haven't had time to build up an externally noticeable amount of fat unless grossly power fed.
>>3102217>but the feeding schedule will tell us more.Rat fuzzy every 14 days
>>3102166Anon I get that you like blue tongues and all man but you gotta keep in mind that they're neither common nor cheap. A fire skink would probably be a better fit for someone breaking into herps through skinks.
>>3101179Iktf anonYou ever think the aspiring breeding anons should try creating a partnership? Four Leaf Reptiles or something
>>3102247>Four Leaf ReptilesI'd join. I actually have a whites tree frog that is smaller than all my others for some reason despite being the same age. He eats fine, gets dusted vitamins, etc. Maybe he's just naturally small. Perhaps i can breed him and create a smaller morph of dumpy frogs?
>>3102256That might be something people could be interested in, though they're such big frogs I think there might be more demand for breeding even bigger whites. Part of their appeal is their hugeness and fatty appearance
>>3102262Yeah I know i'd buy a giant dumpy frog. I know it's mostly genetic but maybe a protein heavy diet when they're tadpoles such as chicken bones might make them more muscular/thicker.
I got a fly river
>>3102240Expensive yes, but while they're not as easily found as other good beginner herps, they're really not all that uncommon anymore. Even Petco is stocking them regularly although I would never get one from there.
>>3102226Sounds good. Adult mice would be less fatty if you have them available, but I don't see that feeding schedule doing much harm.
>>3102247Fuck it, I'd be down if I can get hold of a female woma to get my foot in the door. It'd be hell to set up though what with anons posting from all over the globe.
>>3101518It's definitely up to the individual blood python.My ivroy male is a sweet heart but my t neg huffs and puffs and thrashes hard. Honestly she's one of the fastest snakes I've ever had in my hands. It's fine because I'm used to unruly animals but to someone who isnt it can be very intimidating.>>3101445I dont see why not. I would be worried about the axolotl eating a smaller frog or a larger frog inviting the axolotl, but I'm still sure it can be done with a large enough enclosure.The biggest thing I think is gonna be giving both animals proper husbandry. Axolotls like 0 heating. Other frogs might like more heat. You cant have an uncomfortable axolotl in a kind of warm pond to make a frog kind of comfortable.It's way easier to just house them separately. Do you really want to cohab animals? In the most ideal cohab Cohab scenario they would never interact with each other anyways.Any thing in particular you have hang ups on? Because there's a lot to consider.
>>3102372>my t neg huffs and puffs and thrashes hard. Honestly she's>sheThese female reds mad, angry af
My speckled kingsnake keeps trying to eat himself from his tail. In the past he'd bite himself every once in a blue moon but in the past month or so he's tried to eat himself about 4/5 times. Any idea what could be causing this? He's about 14 years old captive-bred and gets fed weekly. Do you think he should release himself eventually? I'm worried he'll do this when I'm not around to prize him off himself.
>>3101024Lol that is his belly button
>>3102904feed him a bigger prey item maybe. i'm assuming he's hungry if he's trying to eat himself.
>>3102298Had him for about 6 months now
>>3103101Fuck i'm jealous. Where'd you get him?If i had the money, I'd get a male and female and try to breed them in a pond.
>>3103117Bro I'm in Sea, I got him for 40 dollars, I've literally read an entire scientific paper and I'm still baffled about how to sex and breed these guys. They are apparently sexuly mature at 15 years of age and they're aggressive towards other fly rivers.
>>3101914Very handsome fella I want a big one for our farmhouse
>>3102989The fact that this has become a full blown series is intensely amusing to me.
>>3103101That face is hilarious
Ctenotus > all skinks.
Hey i found this little snake in my cats mouth Does anybody know what kind it is? Central NC area I'm extremely worried
>>3104696>I'm extremely worriedAbout what? Looks like. Little corn/rat snake
>>3104704Is there a corn snake morph that looks similar to the one in that pic? It looks pretty rad.
>>3104719Idk very many corn morphs, but that is pretty cool
>>3104696juvenile racer, they lose pattern and get darker when they grow up.harmless
>>3104696Yup definitely a juvenile racer, completely harmless.This is an adult I found a month or so ago.
>>3104230Yea it's even funnier when he puts that snout in the sand substrate looking for a nice place to burrow
>>3101411>bloods are to balls what a jaguar is to a leopardThis metaphor is so good you deserve (You)s for it alone.
>>3104365based. My pantherinus is an awesome little fella
>>3105205Here’s a pic of him, you can’t really see the red unless you’re in person
Brian's vlog hasn't been so insufferable lately.I really hope he's going to back to being really chill
>>3105274>people watched snakebytestv for things other than chewy and Surely not
>>3105274Brian has always been an insufferable neck beard.
>>3105274>>3105277I never cared for his vlogs myselfI watched his old channel pretty regularly but he wasnt trying to be a spastic internet personality, even if he was far less mindful of how parts of his care looked bad on him
>>3104706Ya I read that as soon as I got him
so 2 questions here1) Are there any succulents that would fare well in a green tree frog terrarium and is safe for the frogs?2) Can green tree frogs have a tank mate? I was thinking about a long tailed lizard. The pet store I work for has one and its non aggressive and requires the same tank set up as my frogs. Would that be okay?
>>3106411Can't really speak on the first part however the second part is kinda hit or miss imho. If you've got a large enough enclosure it's possible however you'll have to keep an eye out to ensure they aren't competing for food or getting each other sick/stressed.
>>3106483yeah theres not a lot of info on tank mates for frogs and ive heard people warn against any tank mates for reptiles in general so ill just play it safe
>>3098271Anyone know where to find Florida box turtles? Lived here my whole life and have found just about all other reptile species but have never once seen a wild Florida box turtle. Getting close to just buying a captive bred pair to breed and release the offspring into the wild at this point, re up the population like some do for gopher tortoises. But it’s been on my list to find one of these fuckers for over 10 years now. I’m in south Florida if that helps
Hey herp anons. I decided I want to spruce up my Colombian tegu's enrichment. Right now her enrichment is basically just exploring the room and a large boot in her tank that I'll hide food in/she'll randomly sleep in (her head stuck in it with her body outside) or under it. What are some good ideas for tegu enrichment?
>>3106923tunnels and shit to explore, maybe some kind of rope netting steep slope to climb on that she can really hook her claws into.also post pic of sleeping with head in boot
>>3106923Buy a mini drone and chase him around the enclosure with it
>>3106958I don't have one with her head in the boot, but this is her exploring it one day. Ignore the repti-carpet, I've since moved back to normal digging substrate. Her tank's too narrow unfortunately, but that's why exploration outside the tank is a thing. Can't wait to move to a place where I can build her a custom enclosure with enough space.
>>3106923Get some shit for her to knock over with treats underneath.
>>3106992She's a freaking goof and I love her. Confession: I've gotten real bad with her feeding - used to only feed her on the floor from a plate so that she wouldn't go into food mode the moment I start messing with her tank. I've gotten super busy since February (moved for a new job) and have been feeding her in her tank only and the difference is awful. Breaking her out of this is gonna suck.
>>3107005I cant tell if that's a monitor or a tegu but what's the problem with feeding her in her cage as opposed to outside?
>>3107077If she thinks the only reason I'm opening her tank is to feed her, she'll automatically go into feeding mode whenever I open her tank, which isn't ideal for a large lizard. Also, she's a tegu.
>>3107085>not playing Hip to be Square at high volume during feeding time
>>3107229Memes aside this is actually a good way to condition skater reptiles. Just make damn certain that you use the exact same stimulus every time and avoid exposing her to it outside of feeding time. Having someone come over while the tegu is out as an adult and getting either them or yourself mauled because the song was played is not a fun experience.
>>3107424>skaterWell that's a retarded autocorrect if I've ever seen one. Smarter. Smarter is what I meant. Although if your tegu is radical enough to skate then don't let me stop it.
What's a moderately sized, highly active herp that likes to explore?
>>3107439Any small monitors like Ackies or Gilleni are perfect, and they're somewhat handleable too.
>>3107439Chameleons actually fit that description pretty bang on.
she's cute when she chases my finger
also fixed the waterfall, needed to use a bigger hose for higher volume lower pressure. Still gotta hide the tube a bit more but otherwise this viv seems done.also turned the bromeliad into a pot plant on my desk to give the big croton more room.
>>3107867from the other side to show off the moss growthonly a few of the places i painted the moss mix lived, but they're living well and I'll have a better idea how to do it right on the next viv.
Love my little boy so much.
Can anyone recommend me a reliable and affordable temp/humidity reader? These analog gauges suck, bit the digital ones are all a lot more expensive, and I want to have one for temp and humidity on each side and the middle, so that's 6 all together.
>>3108093Here he is all stretched out. Is he kinda fat? And any guesses on age?
>>3108130Thanks, is this what you use?
>>3108113just get an acurite one with a probe. put the probe on the hot spot and mount the hygrometer on the cool side. unless your enclosure is massive i can't see why you'd need one in the middle
>>3108146Yes, I use two. Didn't have to switch battery yet after over 2 years and the magnet on the back makes it easy to attach.
>>3108167Fair enough. It's a 20gal, not huge. Does the humidity on the hot side matter as long as the cool side is where it should be?
>>3108116>Is he kinda fat?No, looks fine and healthy.
>>3108220Good. Hes a great eater. He ate the day I brought him home, he eats in his tank, never strikes at me while I'm putting the mouse into his tank, but always strikes within seconds of me removing my hand and closing his lid. He is a bit goofy about it I think, he grabs the mouse by the torso and squeezes it for a few, then tries to eat it torso first, before moving to the head eventually.
>>3101445Axolotls are very sensitive, especially to the toxins frogs may carry, not to mention the stress they’re cause each other.
>>3106411Probably not. I’m not knowledgeable in green tree frog care, but I imagine they require high humidity and misting, which succulents hate.>>3102000It really depends on the species, some are more arboreal than otehrs
How are alligator skinks for beginners?
How do you respond to something like "REEEE THEY BELONG IN THE WILD", "IT'S CRUEL TO KEEP IN CAGES"?
>>3108760"IT'S CRUEL TO KEEP THEM IN CAGES"fixed
>>3108760First they should substantiate their argument. Arguing with someone who just wildly throws out claims is not worth wasting time on. Just call them a retard and walk away.
>>3108760I explain that reptiles and amphibians aren't subject to nearly as much stress in a captive environment than they are in the wild and on average live longer and healthier lives. In a proper setup that meets all of the animal's needs there's usually no concerns about access to food and water, maintaining optimal body temperature, parasites, predation, or being evicted from its territory by a larger individual. A properly kept captive herp is a herp that can basically live its life on easy mode.
>>3108760>"REEEE THEY BELONG IN THE WILD", "IT'S CRUEL TO KEEP IN CAGES"?These are the same people who defend outdoor cats.
>>3108710They’re doable, but keep in mind that you will essentially be taking care of an empty tank and that it is entirely possible you will not see your croc skink for days. They stress over handling as well so you can’t just take it out of its hide to interact with. Also when did croc skinks get so popular with beginner keepers, I’ve seen multiple people ask this question
>>3108760 ignore them.those people dont understand and never will. dont waste your time.
>>3108813>Also when did croc skinks get so popular with beginner keepersI'd also like to know this. They used to have a very small number of active keepers. Pet stores now stocking? Maybe youtube?
>>3108116Less than a year. For sure. If you bought him as a small baby from a show then I'm sure the breeder fed him his 3 meals give or take and brought him to the show.Is he a pastel or what?
>>3108963Nah hes a normal run of the mill bp, got him at petsmart.
>>3108963Also I'm gonna clean his tank soon and redo the substrate. Gonna take out the Aspen because I was told it mildews pretty quickly when moistened, should I just put down a few inches of packed coconut fiber and cover it with the cleaned forest moss?
>>3109009>should I just put down a few inches of packed coconut fiber and cover it with the cleaned forest moss?That's fine. Just make sure the surface is dry. Wet substrate will lead to scale rot.
>>3109031Good to know. The top later if the moss dries really fast because of the heat bulb, but the lower layer holds more moisture than my analog hydrometer would have me believe. I just look at the lower layer from the side of the tank and if it doeant look moist enough I pour a little water over the surface. It seeps down to the lower layer and the surface dries out quickly. Until I get a good digital hydrometer does this sound alright?
>>3109040Sorry about the typos, I've had a little to drink and I'm on my phone.
>>3109040>Until I get a good digital hydrometer does this sound alright?Sure, sounds like you've got the hang of it.
>>3109009Those are some pretty high yellows for a normal ngl. Yeah Aspen sucks. But 2 things you should consider is if your enclosure is fully enclosed/you have a towel over the screen top or if you have an open screen top cage. If you have a screen top would put a towel/aluminum foil/plank of wood on top of it to keep humidity from escaping and then just using unprinted newspaper as substrate.Coco chips and cypress mulch holds humidity REALLY well has caused my enclosures to go to 90% humidity which is not all that comfortable for the snake.A large water bowl and newspaper substrate holds 70% humidity effortlessly and I live in the desert.2nd thing you want to consider is how often and where your snake goes. If spot cleaning isnt an issue with your ball so far Cypress mulch is good. If your ball python likes to smear the wall whenever he goes newspaper makes cleaning really easy.Just get a hygrometer and make adjustments as needed.
i've tried searching through different forums etc and found nothing, i'm going to vet soon for routine checkup so i'll try asking her but maybe someone here will knowmy hermann's tortoise recently started getting really furious when he sees me, when im just looking at him from afar and he doesnt see me, he just fucks around or basks, but as soon as he notices me, he either runs at my feet when he's out or just tries to get out of his terrarium when he's in it, I also used to scratch his neck and he seemed to enjoy it as he just lift his head to make the scratching easier but now i can't really touch him from front because he tries to bite me every timethe thing is that he only behaves like that to me, no problem with other people, what's the deal?
>>3109469Male tortoises can get pretty aggressive. Maybe he's horny.
Does anyone here keep Rubber Boas? This is Worm. He was sold to me as a female, but now that he's grown large enough to see them, his spurs say otherwise. I'd love to find him a mate one day, if I ever find another for sale.
>>3109549>Maybe he's horny.Probably. They go through phases like this. All territorial and huffy. I have a male crested gecko that does similar stuff, usually the following few days after he sheds. Normally calm and curious but watch the fuck out when he's in The Mood. Crestie reveals true Tokay form on those days.
I'm trying to rescue a beardie from my friends girlfriend who is neglecting it, No insects for months at a time, and a diet of only kale.I once saw a huge list of all greens and the likes they could eat, including 'treats', how often they can be given and such. Does anyone have that list?
>>3109992I don't but I'd like to. They're kind of rare in my neck of the woods. >>3110043I haven't got a link handy but the staples are:>collared greens>dandelion greens>herbs like parsley and cilantro>bell peppers>zucchini>occasional romaine lettuce is fine (not iceberg)For insects:>crickets>dubia roaches (if available)>horn worms>superworms>mealworms>black soldier fly larva >wild caught house flies, moths, grasshoppers>butterworms (occasional)>wax worms (occasional)
>>3110043I think I know what website you're talking about but this is a pretty comprehensive list https://beardeddragonforum.com/threads/food-chart-with-pictures.2826/
>>3110046Also, since beardie in question may be malnourished and deficient in a variety of vitamins: dust everything with herptivite or Repashy Calcium Plus. Make sure UVB bulb is less than six months old.
>>3110049>>3110046Thanks gents. I'll be taking it to the vet anyway to get it checked up.
>>3098271Thoughts on viper keeper using heat rocks? He says he's never had an issue with burning or anything, but he doesn't keep "dumb" snakes like bps (which he mentioned specifically). Maybe suitable for some species?
>>3102857So cool. Are they found in the pet trade? Captive breed hopefully.
>>3110155>Are they found in the pet trade? Captive breed hopefully.Yep. Josh's Frogs has then sometimes.
Anyone here keep Ctenosaura? Care on them is pretty scattered, so I'm trying to do my research on C. quinquecarinata in advance.
My boa is 3 months old, he's been fed 5 times in the past two months and pooped once. Does this seem reasonable to you anons? He seems like he's getting more active and comfy with me by the day. When should I expect a shed? I haven't had a snake this young since I had a baby corn as a 10 year old, my ATB was around/over a year when I got her. She just shed for me last night, her 4th shed since I got her around a year ago.I can't wait for my baby boa to shed, I want to know he's growing. I dream of the day he's my big monster snake bro
>>3110526>Does this seem reasonable to you anons?Yea that's fine
>>3110135He's a retard that takes way to many liberties with how he handles his venomous animals, no surprise he'd be a retard regarding care aspects.>>3110155I see them at expos all the time
is bioactive setup for a bearded dragon a good idea for a beginner?
>>3110755I'd say no. You have conflicting environment requirements between your beardie and your springtail/isopod cleaning crew. Cleaning crew needs moist substrate. Beardie needs hot and dry. It's much easier to just put some potted succulents in the tank rather than try to keep the entire substrate bioactive.
>>3110759is it more expensive to mantain as well?
>>3110759I was also watching this guys video to get more of an idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMRBRXTUiw and hes saying people dont keep their beardies humid enough
>>3110769Yeah you'd probably want to set up an irrigation system otherwise you'd be watering them twice a day since they'll he drying out because bearded dragon conditions.Get some potted desert plants that you can water once every week or 2.The main issue is that you cant give a bearded dragon the desert environment it needs and then have lush greenery around it. Completely different environments.
>>3110777>Tyler ruggeYikesIf you're concerned about your beardies humidity, dont. They live in 10-30% humidity in the wild. Any higher than that and they're at risk for respiratory infection.Cool, Tyler has a neat bioactive enclosure but his beardies are gonna feel like they're living in miami when they'd rather be living somewhere dry as your mom's cunt.Sorry anon I just get frustrated at "let me make my pets cage pretty but awful for them" types.If you want a bioactive enclosure get a different lizard. If you want a beardie revel in the fact that you can get by on just sand, cork bark, and a water bowl.
>>3110808>tyler rugge >yikesi-is he not a good carer or something? also I'm sorry if I'm giving the type of "let me make my pets cage pretty but awful for them" I just heard that bio is easier to clean and its much better for them but apparently I've been gotten meme facts
>>3110808also it should be noted my friend suggested getting desert isopod as well
What's a good herp for a 36length x 24depth x 15height?What's a good herp for what I think is a 30 gallon aquarium?
>>3110526As long as you're feeding every 2 weeks, that sounds good. Boas don't poop often, some of mine go every other month. My boas typically shed ever 1-3 months, but one of mine loves to go a long time between sheds. Like, a good 4-6+ months, even with dramatic growth.
>>3111019He's definitely a little stronger, head a little bigger, just a tad longer He still has a bit of visible skin room, though he's not skinny or fat, I suppose that's because he's such a young baby
>>3111000>36length x 24depth x 15height?Any medium size colubrid or small-ish python (like spotted python). >30 gallon aquariumLeopard gecko, AFT, variety of amphibians, smaller snakes.
>>3110808>you can get by on just sand, cork bark, and a water bowlSand/soil mix is fine but avoid completely loose sand substrate for beardies.
>>3110814I'm not frustrated at you sweetie. It's more so Tyler rugge. Although he's far from Taylor nicole dean it's just hard for people to give palthat many animals the care that they need. A handful of hiccups here and there but to be honest he's not really bad. A humid environment for your beardie is just next level acoustic though.As for your enclosure. Nothing is easier to maintain than spot cleaning sand or using newspaper.(just dont use sand until your beardie is older) make sure the sand is non silica.>>3110842You could get desert isopods but they're more likely to end up as a snack instead of keeping the enclosure clean. Which isnt a bad thing tho.>>3111025Any loose substrate is potentially bad for beardies even sand/soil. Playground sand is pretty good since it's not really that dusty either. But babies shouldn't be kept on any kind of loose substrate no matter what.The only substrate you can use for beardies without them potentially hurting themselves is newspaper or tile.If you keep beardies on newspaper they're probably the 2nd easiest lizard to keep hands down.
>have three Ball Pythons>all are absolute champs and eat anything I give them especially my male>"man I'm glad I don't have to worry about any of y'all going on a feeding stri-">male hasn't taken anything for 2months nowGood thing he has a good bit of weight on him to begin with just wish there was a legit reason for this, but I'm a patient man.
>>3110648>He's a retard that takes way to many liberties with how he handles his venomous animals, no surprise he'd be a retard regarding care aspectsMaybe yea, but surely snakes encounter warm surfaces in nature. Why are heat rocks so taboo
hey herpanons, i'm getting back into snakes after having to sell my small collection for a move, and i think i just want one chill snake that i can handle easily and not worry about it taking too much space or being overly snappy. do spotted pythons make good pets? considering either getting a spotted or a stimson's python. are there any other good chill snakes that are about ball python sized and slightly below that anyone would recommend?
>>3111408They generate their own heat, unlike surfaces in nature which just absorb whatever the sun beams down, and if the inner workings or thermostat malfunction it can heat up to ridiculous levels that the snake probably would never encounter - even if they lived in australia they probably wouldnt be out in the heat of the day and certainly not trapped in extremely limited space very close to a boiling hot rock
>>3111431Couldn't the same be said of uths?
>>3111021Do you have pics? Usually loose skin is an indication of dehydration, but there are a few areas where boas do generally have loose skin. That should be minimal if they're hydrated, though.>>3111455The difference between a heat rock and a UTH is that the heat rock can be controlled by a thermostat. The uneven surface is an issue for the thermostat probe readings, for one. A UTH is flat and goes outside the enclosure, so you can put the probe between the pad and the bottom of the enclosure, and be sure your probe is reading correctly. A heat rock heats very unevenly, too, so you can still get hot pockets somewhere where the probe isn't sitting.
>>3111077Bonus to tile substrates is that it helps trim their nails. My BTS is still growing up, so even seeing his itty bitty baby nails is a pain.>>3111414A male Dumeril's is another good bet in my personal experience. Females can occasionally grow to stupid sizes, but males are generally in the BP range. Anytime I clean my girl's enclosure, I can legitimately just set her on a flat surface and leave her there during the entire time... she'll look around, but in general she doesn't move much. Only time she's defensive with me is during a shed, which is understandable.(Pic related, this is Matilda.)
>>3111468It's extremely slight and wouldnt even show on a pic, its just something I can kinda feel compared to my 'tighter' feeling ATB(not taut), hes definitely hydrated. I'll try posting a pic of him later when I renew my phone service
>am not hog>am pretzel>now u can’t eat me
>>3111517You shouldn’t use tiles for blueys unless it’s on one side for a basking spot, they’re natural burrowers and like to get under things. When I take my 3 month old baby out he uses his nose to push things up and digs under blankets, bedsheets, pillows, and my limbs, so I feel like limiting that natural behavior in their enclosure might stress them out.
>>3111597No worries, mine's going to be given all the burrowing space he wants as soon as he's out of quarantine (currently on paper towels with cardboard hides and a chunk of tile for basking benefits, and another layer of paper towels over the boxes so he doesn't feel as exposed.) He was sold to me as cbb, but the vet and I have determined that that's a crock of shit, so we've been treating him for endo/exoparasites, a case of mouth rot and retained shed. It's been a nightmare but unfortunately this isn't the first time I've been burned. Always quarantine, folks.I'm just glad he's doing a lot better since he got here. He's a completely different lizard, gone from lethargic to curious and active. It's been a financial slog but he's worth it.
>>3111604That really sucks, do you know what subspecies he was marketed as? I'm always wary about the Indonesian species because they're not illegal to export WC like the Australian species are.
What are some good beginner snakes besides the typical ball python/corn snakes? I can't stand the python look and corn snakes never really interested me. I like the looks of hognoses and Kenyan sand boas, but I've read they aren't the most beginner friendly snegs.
>>3111613What about the spotted, woma, or children's pythons? Those are all pretty easy I think. Or some different clubrid like a bull snake or something.
>>3111613Hoggies are easy and anyone telling you any different is bad at keeping snakes. They might be picky about food when they’re young, but I’ve never had any refuse to feed.
>>3111613Kenyan sand boas are really fucking easy, don't know who told you they aren't beginner, I'd say they're way easier than BPs at least. The biggest problem about hoggers is that they can be picky eaters so you generally want to talk with your breeder on their feeding habits before picking it up, they're fine beyond that. Snakes with a couple of notable exceptions are all pretty easy to take care of, so just pick whatever one you're interested in and do a lot of research. Better to have a slightly more difficult animal that you're invested in than an easier one than you only have lukewarm interest with. Only things I wouldn't recommend unless you have a good amount of experience with snakes are large constrictors (burmese, retics, rock pythons) and venomous snakes for obvious reasons.
>>3111613I'd counter that sand boas are a good beginner snake, actually. While mine is an absolute bastard, that majority are easy to handle and care for in my experience! They aren't expensive to house/feed/heat and look silly as hell, which is always a plus in my book.
>>3111610You got it. I had been looking for a CBB indonesian subspecies and when I thought I had found someone with them, I jumped. You'd think I know better by now... it's ok though. What matters is that he's doing better.Remind me and I'll get a photo of him one day soon. he's filled out like a champ, and next time I can get him down to the vet for his follow-up (hopefully the last of many -- it will be a bit because my car shit the bed, because of course) it'll be the clean bill of health we've all been waiting for.
>>3111621>>3111627>>3111622Thanks. I think I might have been mixing up sand boas with something else honestly. Maybe it was some stupid advice from someone keeping them in sand and dealing with impaction. But yeah my main worry was the hoges being picky. Still a long way off getting anything and I'll be sure to do more research.
>>3111684 Thanks for doing it right, anon. Your future pet will thank you.
>>3111517thanks for the dumeils boa tip m8
>>3111613kingsnakes, rat snakes, bull snakes are all as easy as corn snakes and might be more interesting to youa male common boa would possibly be on the big side (not always, ask breeder about size of its parents, some stay ball python sized) but their husbandry is easier than a ball python, just will need a big cage.
>>3111708Sure thing anon. Whatever you get, be sure to come back and show us.
>tfw florida got the generic looking iguanas instead of these beauties as an invasiveBet if they looked like this people wouldn't kill them.
>>3111847Ooh what species is that?Also can BTS eat rambutans?
>>3111862Answered my own question, and the verdict is that they will eat them, and enjoy them. (Treats in moderation as always.)
My six month old female ball python bit me today when I picked her up to handle her. She wasn't in blue and has never been anything but a sweet girl. Any ideas as to why? I had fed my fish some flake food twenty minutes or so prior and didn't wash my hands. Could that have something to do with it?
>>3111862St. Lucia Island Iguana
>>3111874>Could that have something to do with it?Possibly. "oh shit this new smell is picking me up" is not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe she was just grumpy today
Read a news story about a house in my hometown being overrun with Italian wall lizards. There are no native lizards in my hometown. The woman got very little help because there are no lizards in my hometown. Finally caught one and took it to the local nature center and the guy there knew exactly what section it was caught in. Apparently someone released a few in the 70's to combat bugs and they've been breeding ever since. I could have been catching lizards as a child in addition to snakes, frogs, and turtles.
Is a baby cornsnake a good beginner herp for retards regarding handling and general care
>>3111886They're usually listed right up there with ball pythons as the best beginner snakes, but they're flighty. They're easy to care for and have a good temperament, but as far as handling goes, a ball will just kind of chill with you where the corn will want to constantly be moving.
>>3111886Nearly impossible to fuck up
>>3111876Fantastically stripey fellow, thanks.
>>3111886Just make sure it's already eating well and you're probably good to go. Try to get a juvenile as opposed to an actual neonate, once they're a few months old they're hardier, and easier to handle by virtue of having more surface area. Babies are practically worms.
>>3111881>resting "Watcha talkin bout, Willis?" faceThat's really cool. It's unusual for a breeding group of lizards to establish indoors like that in an ostensibly inhospitable outdoor climate region.
>>3111886Definitely. Aspen bedding, two or three hides and some assorted stuff to climb on, water bowl. Under tank heater and a thermostat to control it. Done and done.
>>3111909Yeah. That explains why they haven't spread from the one neighborhood, I guess. Winter comes along and any that aren't indoors somewhere die off.
>>3111915My corn never climbs ever. I've been thinking about getting rid of the fake tree that's in there and just replacing it with a large coconut hide.
>>3111408>>3111431There's also the part where reptiles sometimes won't even realize they're burning until damage has already occurred.
Do you know what kind of Boa Constrictor this is? My friend's friend bought it today.
>>3111984A pretty kick ass one
>>3111984Also you're friend should know that before buying, it could be the difference between a 5 foot snake and a 12 foot behemoth
>>3111984Looks like a hypo Boa imperator.the light brown markings suggest hypo but not super hypo. The light cream color is pretty standard but rules out the more northern locales. Probably a captive bred mix of Colombian and southern Central American boas for generations.Very pretty boa, and lookin friendly and curious
>>3111881Where do you live? In NJ there's a few towns that actually have them surviving the winters. I've legitimately thought about going and catching a couple dozen for my own backyard.
>>3111952I have one like that. Between them I have one that climbs constantly, one that's about 50/50 between burrowing and climbing, and one that's under the substrate more than my KSB.
>>3112006I'm in Quakertown now, but originally from Levittown, PA.
herp anons, what is your favorite ball python morph and why? I'm trying to decide on my first ball python but I'm honestly torn between buying a natural wild type morph or one that looks cool. pic related is my boa unrelated
>>3112051These were the only ones I've seen that I would buy, that I could afford that is
>>3112051I really like normals and blue eyes lucies
>>3112054damn, nice stripe, bet it costs an arm and a leg>>3112056blue eyes are gorgeous but for some reason i can't see myself ever buying one, really leaning on getting a normal
>>3112051I'm always a fan of calicos and bananas, but my friend just got a Butter Genetic Stripe, and she looks exactly like a cinnamon roll so I love that now too.
>>3112066>for some reason i can't see myself ever buying oneProbably the $500 price tag. That's why I have a $15 normal from an expo.
>>3112070I love stripe morphs of any species.
>>3112056Agreed on this. The leucistics in general (blue or black eye) look awesome. I'm partial to the normal as well. I'm not much for morphs in any species. Wild type best type.
>>3112074the price tag doesn't help yeah, but for me, idk, i just like to build natural looking vivariums and a white blue eyed snake in one of my forested setups doesn't look quite right in my mind for some reason. I'd have to create a new concept for a setup to match the snake because that's just what my brain likes to do. If I had to go for a lucy, I'd probably make it a sleek monochrome display enclosure with lots of dark rock formations, dramatic lighting, and a few perches with not much green or brown. I usually stick with dark looking snakes for a reason
>>3112070she almost looks like a pastry
>>3112087I get it. Your BEL concept sounds pretty fucking awesome, though.
>>3111984A really clean and lovely hypo
>>3108130my bts killed this within like 3 days. they cant handle high humidity as well as retarded fucks that pull shit down constantly
>>3111553Ah, so more you can easily move the skin than it appears to hang loose? Yes, that's normal for boa constrictors. Even when obese, their skin just naturally is looser.>>3111998A 12' boa constrictor of any species, subspecies, or locality would be a record-breaker, despite what online resources and uneducated randos would have you think. 10' is pretty much the max, anything over that is pretty much going to be false. A 12' boa is as real as a 30' retic.
>>3112593>A 12' boa constrictor of any species, subspecies, or locality would be a record-breaker,I was being dramatic
The green frog eggs in my pond just hatched. But the pond is newly made so there's no algae for them to eat (it's a clay pond). Should I throw chicken bones for them to gnaw on?
>>3112624Repashy Soilent Green or HBH Frog & Tadpole Bites.
How many of you let your friends crash with you? My BCI loves nap time with my body heat and loves pillowcases.
hey herp, what kind of enclosure can i use for a 4 foot long children's python? I really wanted to go for an exo terra type of glass enclosure but if size and humidity are issues i just don't know. all of the pvc enclosures i find are too large and costly for what i need
>>3112671My Dum loves to crawl into my pillowcase and hang out! Your BCI is a cutie.
>>3112676You could get a big storage tub and mod it as needed?
>>3112676>>3112679Seconding this guy. When in doubt, bin it out. Exo-Terra enclosures look nice but they don't hold heat for shit and since they're so large and fragile, cleaning them is a right pain in the ass.
>>3112671I let my corn crawl around and hang out and she shit the biggest shit every all over the couch
>>3112679>>3112681damn, im already using a tub, but the reason i want to upgrade so bad is because its a pretty ugly setup. i've tried looking online and at nearby stores and all i find are overpriced glass kits
>>3112693>damn, im already using a tub, but the reason i want to upgrade so bad is because its a pretty ugly setupWell you could do diy and come up with something awesome, but that'll take some planning and shit
>>3112693You can try Animal Plastics, but be warned that their wait time is massively inflated right now and you will have to assemble the enclosure yourself... everyone else is pretty pricey in comparison.
Do you guys recommend reptile expos to get a first snek? There is one coming to my city in a month or so. I'm mostly worried I wouldn't know how to tell a good breeder from a bad one in a public setting like that. Also things like mites being prevalent at places like that makes me nervous.I guess its probably better than getting one shipped because at least you get to see the animal before you buy it, but it still makes me uneasy.
>>3112658>soilentFuck no. This is a natural pond anyways and I'm wasting money on processed pellets.
>>3112698>I'm mostly worried I wouldn't know how to tell a good breeder from a bad one in a public setting like that.Ask questions and talk with them. The more willing they are to talk about it and not just sell you, the more likely they are to be "good". Plus you can always walk away, Google them on your phone, and see what reviews say. Ask to see pics of the parents etc > Also things like mites being prevalent at places like that makes me nervous.Possible, but inspect your snake before handing money over, also it's good to keep them in quarantine for a bit when you get home, maybe on paper towels so you can easily see any mites. >I guess its probably better than getting one shipped because at least you get to see the animal before you buy it, but it still makes me uneasy.Yea especially in August when everything is hot as fuck. You know the snake won't be baking in the back of a truck somewhere
>>3112698I prefer to get mine shipped from people with solid reputations (and not just big names.) That said, Expos have their place. I recommend looking at the vendor list and researching everyone on there in advance before you consider dealing with them. Look over anything you handle carefully (mites are usually on face/under chin or near the vent) and use hand sanitizer between tables. Don't do business with Underground/Backwater/Snakes at Sunset/LLL Reptile or any of the other big stores that come up when you google "snake for sale" because unless you need something specific imported, it's not worth the stress of treating a sickly wild-caught animal, let alone the financial burden.Expos are good for handling a bunch of animals to get a feel for what you're comfortable with. There's a big difference between seeing a 10ft boa online and handling one in person, in finally understanding the power of the animal. And last but not least, even if you only ever have one herp/amphibian ever, quarantine it when you get it home. See if mites start coming off it. Monitor how it's shitting, when, and if that's normal for the species. Find an exotics vet before bringing something home, and take it for a checkup ASAP to make sure things are kosher.all things considered, I personally prefer not to get animals at expos these days. But it can be worth it, especially if you're in the market for something specific or niche.
>>3112697>>3112696might have to do something like this then
>>3112723You could also try going to an expo, there's usually vendors there with enclosures that reasonable, compared to pvc cages anyway.
>>3112678You should see my retic.She's tsundere.
>>3112706>The more willing they are to talk about it and not just sell you, the more likely they are to be "good"This is largely the case yeah. Also be sure to talk to other breeders about a breeder you intend to buy from since they're usually quick to out anyone with bad practices.
New thread when we reach limit here. >>3112726
>>3112624frozen bloodworm cubes (fish food)green frog tads love em. raised a couple tads into frogs feeding those almost exclusively.
>>3112706>>3112707Thanks guys. It seems like its a bit of a gamble no matter how you want to go about it I guess. I'll keep doing research and probably wait until the next expo comes around at least if I decide to go that route. Funny thing is, I'm having a lot of trouble finding the regular, wild variant of the snake I've been looking at. Every listing I've seen from the links in the OP reads like some fucking toadline shit with how completely assblasted the snakes genetics are, along with a $500+ price tag of course. Thats why I was even considering going the expo route in the first place, because I was sure they would have some plain ass snake instead of only advertising their crazy, wacky morphs.>Find an exotics vet before bringing something home, and take it for a checkup ASAP to make sure things are kosher.Probably a really dumb question and I don't want to sound lazy, but I have a vet nearby that advertises that they do checkups on birds and reptiles in addition to traditional pets, but they aren't a specialized exotic vet. Is this a sign I should just go somewhere else for a regular checkup? Or should they generally be able to handle the basics? There is an exotic vet considerably farther away (60mi) and I don't have a problem going there either, but obviously the traditional vet would be more convenient. Is that another toss-up situation where some are fine and others won't have a clue what they're doing?
>>3112697https://reptilekages.com/collections/premium-reptile-enclosures/products/4x2x2-pvc-enclosure4x2x2 with free shipping comes to around the same as the animal plastics of the same size, and they're ready to ship apparently.Haven't used them myself but will be buying one to try it out and see if I'll go with them instead of animal plastics. I have an animal plastics 4x2x2 and it's excellent but took 4 months to ship.
>>3112736I was getting ready to REEE, but this appears cancer free
>>3112742>because I was sure they would have some plain ass snake instead of only advertising their crazy, wacky morphs.Sorry to tell you this but they really don't. By the way what snake are you looking to buy?
>>3112745I've resigned myself to fighting the cancer as much as I hate doing it.
>>3112747Fucking christ. I know they would have their expensive morphs and shit out on display, but I figured they would have regulars there as well tucked away into a corner or something. I'm just looking into western hognoses at the moment. Still very much in the planning stages so I wouldn't say I'm "looking to buy" anything right this minute, but this is getting disheartening.I even managed to find someone selling them on CL which I didn't expect at all in my area, but they were all SMASHED and SLAMMED and I can't afford a $1000 snake
>>3112731Mine's a big fat lump half the time. I can set her out to explore while I'm cleaning and it's a toss-up whether she'll get up to explore or sleep on the bed the entire time. I love her.>>3112742The best thing you can do is call and ask them what they're prepared to handle -- but shop around price-wise anyway. There are two exotics vets equidistant from me (and it's over 100 miles either way,) but one costs twice as much as the other, and I don't feel the care justifies that pricetag disparity. Also, when you go in, bring a fresh reptile poo in a baggy. Saves time and hassle testing for internal parasites.
>>3112757You can contact a breeder you find reputable once you've narrowed down your options and ask if they have any pairings that throw normals/hets they'd be willing to part with, they usually go for less unless they're het for something fancy.
>>3112757DUDE CONDA ARCTIC LEMON PURPLE SHADOW HYPOS
>>3112757 Expos will usually have normal hoggers for sale as well as the morphs since they've become popular among the normal/entry level reptile keepers through memery.
>>3112757yeah hognose morphs aren't really much different looking than the normals. Not much color change, just patten changes. And they're all fucking adorable, so the cheaper normal ones sell out fucking fast. Especially since they're the trend right now.
>>3112759Yeah I guess I'll give them a call when I get closer to actually purchasing something. And I'll keep the poop thing in mind. Thanks>>3112761Alright I'll give that a shot. Thank you as well>>3112767>Proven Male AAA - Arctic albino anaconda 2.5 yrs - $1050 (Payment plan if needed)
>>3112768>>3112770Why must I always be drawn to the meme animals? First it was corgis, now its pigsnakes. Somebody kill me
https://community.morphmarket.com/t/2616>the FBI (facebook board of inquiry) deleted>faunaclassifieds shutting down the BOI next yearReally don't like this trend.
>>3112757This is why I like cali kings, they have some really nice morphs available but their prices are rarely much higher than a normal banded one.
>>3112777worried about legal shit i bet>>3112774at least it's not mexican black kingsnakes. I'm biased against that meme since I have a pet desert kingsnake, which is literally the same animal but with a pattern. I mean, you get MBKs with the same pattern as desert kings, just you can barely see it due to the darker overall color. Same size, same awesome chill temperament, same care. I've seen desert kingsnake morphs sell for 60 bucks, normals for 30. MBKs are like 200 minimum now due to meme popularity.look into rosy boas, they're similar in a lot of ways (small, like it dry, terrestrial) and aren't memetaxed right now.
>>3112777Oy vey goyim, you aren't responsible enough
>>3112774At least you haven't decided on getting a cockatoo or conure. People buy those all the time because "lol funny birb videos XD" and end up ripping their hairs out because they have a perpetual toddler that screams when happy, screams when bored, and screams and rips its own feathers out when stressed
>>3112784Yeah I've heard about how crazy MBKs got in just a few years. I don't mind paying the memetax for a hognose really. I just don't want the additional morph memetax on top of it. Rosy boas do look pretty cute though.
>>3112794yeah you'll just have to stalk expos. Not all breeders put their normals up on classifieds, just sell them at expos.
>>3112671I let my baby BI chill on top of my head while I play vidya or lie down, it seems like hes actually paying attention to the movement on my screen sometimes I've also taken naps with him
>>3112671i forgot to clip my kingsnake's enclosure shut one night and was almost asleep when I felt something cool sliding against my leg.I'll often hang out with him while he explores but can't sleep, he's quick and likes to see new places. Turned my back on his unlatched enclosure for 30 minutes, relatched it assuming he was in the hide, went downstairs and he was in the downstairs bathroom just chilling out on the toilet seat.
>>3112829escape artist havin a soak
>>3112829At least he makes himself easy to find
>>3112835yeah, the other escapes were to obvious nearby places under furniture. He lulled me into a false sense of security by never trying to escape for the first 6 months I had him.
Who's got Rankin's Dragons available?
>>3112051Anons here will sperg out about the spider gene. But a killer bee/ killer bee axanthic is the coolest looking ball python. I have boas and bloods but that's the ball I would get.
>>3113793I dont know anon if I had to choose a morph for balls it would probably be highway/highway pastelLeucistics and pieds are neat to though
>Really want a lucy>those little qt are for sale near me>about to move out next month so would rather wait to be settled before setting up an enclosure>tfw will probably miss on those cuties
>>3114465They look kinda gross anyways.
>>3102281i am the snake in my boot