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The Plant General - Hydrangea Edition

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Thread Bee says Hi
has there ever been a straight male who involved himself with plants?
Most farmers throughout history
ahh yes those proud daisy farmers of yore
>grains, fruits, and vegetables aren't plants
Put those goalposts back where you found them
damn son, I was going to flame you for thinking this was poignant but I'll just let you have it as a win. grapes ARE plants.
What's the deal with hydrangeas? Why do grannies love them so much? What is their use in a garden? Are they just big bushes that take up a whole corner? Can they be specimens in pots? Do they turn to shit over winter?

Hi, Thread Bee. Buzz, buzz.
Wow. Just did my own googling and found this on the website of famous Australian sex pest Don Burke:

>The flower colour in most forms relates to the acidity or alkalinity of the soil. In acid soil (pH 5 or less) hydrangeas are usually always blue. As the soil pH climbs towards the neutral and alkaline end of the scale (pH 7 or more) hydrangeas turn mauve, pink and red. A blueing tonic (containing aluminium and iron) will turn pink or mauve hydrangeas blue. It should be applied once a month in March and April and again in August, September and October, following the directions on the pack. A cup of lime (calcium carbonate) added to the soil in spring will cause blue or mauve hydrangeas to turn pink. White flowering hydrangeas will remain white regardless of soil pH.
Nothing wrong with Hydrangeas. They are easy to care for and eventually grow into a good sized shrub.
They lose their leaves in the Winter, but the old brown flower heads will remain. It's a matter of opinion whether you like this or not.
You can grow them in pots, but they will grow much better in the ground.
Every granny know this. You can even buy purpose-made feeds for Hydrangeas which will keep the flowers blue.
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Interesting. Thanks.
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Carrying on from the last thread, here's the rest of my pictures from Highdown, and I saved the best for last; the crazy huge herbaceous borders.
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The whole of Highdown is in an old Chalk quarry, so when the founder first came here a century ago, it was all just bare chalk, and he had to figure out what grew best by trial and error.
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It was so full of colour. There were three of these huge beds, each one maybe 50 feet long and 20 or so deep.
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Nice Echinacea blooms. There wasn't very much of it there, so probably doesn't flourish in the chalk like some of the other plants do.
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Lots of benches for all the old boomers.
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Rose spider says thanks for watching!
those are some nice benches anon
Update: The baby sunflower and at least three others near it just vanished, I can't even find rests of the stems.
/plant/ I need an suggestion. I'll be moving to an poorly light apartment with no direct sun light and little light all around. Is there anything I can grow there? Thanks
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they're just obnoxious bushes with decent big flowers that bloom reliably.

they look like shit most of the year because no one prunes them properly, it's supposed to look like a young upright growing majestic shrub but if you don't prune them correctly and every year it'll collapse under it's own weight and looks like an ugly mishaped ball, virtually all images you see of them in borders on the internet are incorrectly pruned, they are not supposed to look saggy.
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My lillies have ran their course for the year. I'll still see a few oddballs pop up here and there, like this stargazer
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I'm so straight I eat my hotdogs from the middle
That's a beautiful flower
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a few more weeks until we can start redesigning our gardens.

I decided I'm gonna put the tufa rocks I ordered upright instead of laying them down flat (like picture related) to create a more chaotic, natural look.
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Thanks! I prefer pic related
Are they ever truly finished?

First time I read on /an/, thanks for all those links I think I'll pass by more often ;)
That's also beautiful. I love lilies.

You can also easily use diluted vinegar to change the pH of the terrain and obtain blue flowers.

For the opposite try diluted baking soda.
these flower spikes might last until early august, if the plant experiences frost after that it's done, if not it might send out new flower spikes that last until the frost does hit it.

you gonna move everything in the autumn or spring?
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On the subject of hydrangeas, when ruca goes I plan on burying her in her favorite spot in the yard, with a pair of hydrangeas and
Lamprocapnos spectabilis.
Dilluted epson salt applied directly to the blooms will also change their color.
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Hydrangea paniculata is the best hydrangea btw.
Sounds nice but why wait?
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>you gonna move everything in the autumn or spring?
I usually won't see frost until at least October, by then the plants will have died off, and if anything I'll cut them back. I never move them for growing purposes, they'll be back in late spring.
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most growth is halted or atleast severely slowed down by summer solstice.

thought you were going to construct some shit in your garden with the bricks you collected.
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Because that's where I'll bury the dog. Hopefully many years down the road. It's a low lying area and I'll probably make a mound, border it with some stone, and reuse some of the old cedar split rail fence I removed awhile back.
I've got my eye on a creamy white variety, that contrasts well with its rich green foilage.
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>thought you were going to construct some shit in your garden with the bricks you collected.
I am, but in a different area. The flower bed I post won't change much other than removing the stone separating it from the driveway, and adding a few sand and gravel boulders.
This is the area that will receive the most attention. Red brick pavers and limestone slabs for a hardscape patio area, and a raised bed made from split faced stone.
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Hi /plant/, here's a pic from a few weeks ago of our patio with mint, rose, and a hibiscus with some perennials around it. Thanks for the advice on the mint a while back, it's doing great now. I took a few cuttings and put them in a shot glass with rainwater but they're not rooting out and it's been almost a week - any advice?

Also the empty pot now has a kumquat tree in it, which we got from walmart a couple of weeks ago with several smaller green fruits on it already. When should they ripen?
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ah, I see, I thought they were all going into the lilly garden.
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you don't have to wait until mint has roots you can just stick it in some soggy soil and it'll be fine
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I've got a bunch of geodes I've collected that I want to put down in the bare spots of my lilly garden, and get rid of the crappy temporary fencing.
just remember that mint spreads like a weed
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Right now time is my biggest constraint on getting anything done. I took a lot of time off work, and spent a bunch of money rebuilding my old barn last year. This year I've been working a ton of overtime to offset that cost, but it's hard to get anything done when I'm never home. This fall I should have the time I'm needing.
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And current
absolute beginner here
>just bought a cilantro plant
>soaking green onions to plant later
im so fucking excited ive always wanted a little garden
i don't know what food plant to get next though

coworker advised me to put egg shells around my cilantro plant so i did, and its growing pretty fast :^)
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Here's my blue boy, needs a trim.
Nice stones
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>Penstemon serrulatus
Awesome job! I can tell that was a lot of work
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Thanks, I'd love to get it finished tho
What climate zone are you in?
I'm in texas so a humid subtropical zone apparently. it's been really humid lately, like 86F with 73% humidity
it's suffering
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>a lot of work
It was. The majority of it was done by myself with the help of my sixteen year old son. Mission accomplished, he damn sure doesn't want to work construction for the rest of his life, that cushy CMM gig looks very appealing to him now.
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Definitely peppers. Tomatoes as well.
I'm in 6a with very humid summers, my garden has peppers, tomatoes, lettuce, beans, onions, cucumber and squash. Any of these should work for you. I don't plant corn because it takes up so much area, shades the rest of the garden, and gets knocked down easily. Also the fact that every damn farmer around me sells the shit for a couple bucks a dozen.
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rub some buttermilk or yoghurt on them if you want lichen and moss to develope quicker.
I have Mentha x piperita 'chocolate mint' in my garden, it's relatively easy to control.

it's the best tasting mint variety btw.
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I think geodes are pretty cool as they are, but I will be picking your brain once my hardscape is done, I'll be looking in to moss for in between the stones in this pic>>3078668, plus a few other ideas I've got floating around.
>relaxing in the garden
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they'll weather naturally whether you want it or not.

sun-bleached stumps are also great decor.

people are so obsessed with maintaining everything everywhere here that I hardly see any ground lichen and cyanobacteria.

do they have Cymbalaria muralis in America? it's a good rockcrack plant, will literally grow in dry dusty ant hills.
>do they have Cymbalaria muralis in America?
Oh yeah, it's available at more specialized nurseries, most regular places only stock mom plants, but the places that focus more on landscape design definitely stock it.
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toss some underneath the tree once your construction is finished, it'll look nice and is easy to control.
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Writing that one down, thanks for the suggestion.
Anons how do i control roses? I have a lot but they mature in June and september (i want them for feb or December
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I remember seeing this pic a few threads earlier, that's the cleanest garden I've ever seen. Here's a stone path I've been working on. Its only halfway done but it's still /plant/ related because I planted a some ground cover plants between the gaps, hard to see them in the pic though.
From left to right:
>Leptinella squalida
>Thymus Praecox
>Thymus Serpyllum 'Elfin'
>Thymus Serpyllum Coccineus
>Bolax Gummifera
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I'm hit and miss with older, established rose bushes. I've found the knock out varieties are much more forgiving.
I think Sedum pairs well with hydrangeas
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I got some of this for the shadier unfinished part of my path
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Isotoma fluviatilis will do well between those cracks.
hylotelephium hasn't been a sedum since your grandmother was a kid.
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expect it to seed a lot.

>fern wall looking dry as fuck hasn't rained properly in like 2 months
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Nice! I have some I can transplant
Good to know, thanks. And nice fern wall, I like the dense plant arrangment.
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if you're still looking for creeping plants don't get vinca no matter how much you trust the person advising it, it will choke out everything once established.

you will probably like tiarella cordifolia and ajuga reptans as well.

they're hardy creepers with nice flowers that aren't too tall.

>super rare creeper in cultivation that I should probably spend more energy on.
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That looks very nice, especially the color contrast of the stones. Nice work.
My garden is actually planted on an elderly family members property very close to me. I do all the work, every now and then she might pull a weed or two. But she does do all the canning come fall. She is incredibly anal about her yard, which is why I try to keep it clean.
I'm well aware of the name discrepancy, bear in mind I'm not involved in gardening circles other than this board, and most scientific names are lost on me. It can be aggravating trying to describe a plant that people only know as stonecrop, autumn fire, or worse "live forever".
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>or worse "live forever".

they're not even exaggerating, I find this shit in the middle of forests where there haven't been houses for over a century growing between the rubble.
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Definitely hardy. Poor drainage areas to the point of standing water is the only thing I've found that they won't thrive in, like most plants I guess.
Whenever I post scientific names I have to search them first. Apparently wiki needs an update.
On a related note concerning fucked up names people use, my elderly family member asked if I could pretty up around her mailbox. She specifically asked for a "piney" bush.
It took a minute to realize she was asking for fucking peonies.
Someone just gave me this gangly, freakishly tall and etiolated jade plant. It was in a container with no drainage and the soil was waterlogged. I tried to repot it before it rotted but everything below the soil line had already disintegrated into mush. The rest of the stem is still decently firm. How should I proceed to preserve as much of this plant intact as possible?
keep it somwhere out of direct sunlight, and let the rootball dry out for a few days.
then it will be ok to repot.
use a well drained mixture, with lots of grit and some coarse sand.
cut off those shrivelled stems in thebottom of the pic
that’s creepy af
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Really feeling the Hydrangea love ITT
Mom always had these in the garden when I was growing up
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Not as creepy as the real dog. She's blind as shit.
Is she older?
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She'll be ten this year. My daughter is in 4H and competes in obedience training.
Being blind is an unfair advantage because when you take her to a strange place and leash her she has no other choice than be obedient.
what do you mean by control? just cut them down or dig them out.
>stevie wonder
gg anon

it sucks watching good friends get old
I want my telomeres to grow like a plant :((((((((
why are your walls wrapped in plastic?
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you'd regret that in a few decades.
so the rain doesn't ruin my watering schedule.
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>watering on a schedule
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alpines are water sensitive and rainwater lowers the pH of the soil in pots.
your tobacco is yellowin
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it's a brugmansia, those are old leaves.
Thanks! I'll probably look into planting some serrano or bell pepper. That sounds like a very lovely garden anon
>it's a hobby so it's ok if I suck at it
pretty sure he was saying the opposite
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It's probably time for another shelf boys
Are these tomatoes? Jesus christ I feel bad for them.
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>Aquilegia formosa
I already have a few variegated vinca minor in my front yard and at the rate they grow it would just cover all the stepping stones in a year or 2, definitely a bad choice lol. And thanks for the suggestions, those are nice plants.
Thanks! That's really cool you help with that work, it can be demanding.
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Didn't even know catnip could flower desu
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does anybody know what species is this?
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Anyone know what this one is called? I got it from my friend's yard at his cape house, he doesn't know what it is. It started small without a stalk, I've had it a year now
god damned redheads
>studies in etiolation
Found what I was looking for. Interesting read.
Thank you
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My glottiphyllum suave bloomed recently. Sadly it's self sterile so I won't get seeds.
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edraianthus tenuifolius seed heads.

cut them off since the plant is dying back for the winter anyway, hopefully they'll dry properly indoors.
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>friend gifted me hippuris vulgaris for my pond
>the moment I put it in the water it started shitting out millions of azolla ferns that are now all over the surface
What do I do?
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scoop them out if you don't want them but they're not hard to control.

expect your hippuris vulgaris to go bald underwater before it sends out stems that are properly adapted to it, they're cultivated on land even though they're water plants.
>hippuris vulgaris
That's a cool plant. Just dug a clay pond and will need something to put in around the sides. Where can I get that plant?
Many pond plant nurseries have it, they often offer online services too. See if there's any in your region.
If you want to find it in the wild, it grows both in Europe and NA, forming large colonies in swampy areas.
>Upright sedums were at one point separated into the genusHylotelephium, but are now generally included back in the genusSedum.
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Adiantum found in the woods
I wish you could grow those indoors. Getting to enjoy them in the summer isn't enough.
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This is a weed growing all around my yard and I find it lovely. Plantnet is shit at ID. Any ideas what it could be? The flowers are maybe 0.5cm wide and it grows like a small shrub less than foot tall with a long taproot. This is in northern California.
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Nice and checked
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Maybe this time I can bump the thread with a properly rotated picture. Also, anybody know what this is?
Your pond is looking better every day!
That's a tidy fern.
>According to the Missouri Botanic garden

there's no one else that does this or agrees with it.
some kind of Marchantia.
>Kew Garden's online database now lists Hylotelephium as a synonym for Sedum
maybe read the whole thing?
wouldn't be suprised if Sedum ends up like Eurphorbia at this point.

plants are constantly placed in and out of families, most of the time (such as in this occasion) it's just butthurt botanists battling over pointless semantics.

anyone that has seen this plant during all growth stages realizes it's nothing like a sedum.
it's some member of Fabaceae, the legume family.
try this site, assuming it's a wildflower
look at the shape of the flower and guess what genus it's in.
Fabaceae is a big family lad, and I'm not about to do all the brain work for anon, I just thought It give them a start. Plus, I don't live in the US.
But if I had to guess, I would say Lathyrus.
But having said that, the leaves looks vetchy (Vicia).
it's Acmispon americanus, shitters.

you were so busy looking at the flowers that you didn't see it's awkward sepals.
good job anon, but i've never heard of this species that grows in a country i've never been to, so i don't really miss the 30 seconds of my day i spent wondering what it is.
if only california were a country, then the surrounding countries could put walls around it so the retards don't escape.
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it's invasive by the way, don't actually put it in your garden.
nice pyramiding
they don't have smooth shells in this stage of their life, retard.
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morning sun
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Going to be hot and humid today
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You indoor plant people need to get on my level.
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>growing in dirt
Kek, that shell looks low quality 3D printed.

nice pyramiding
Okay, seems like they don't always keep those bismuth like edges and end up smooth. Otherwise and if they weren't too tropical for my region I might get some, I love their look.

Lovely, expecially in that light.
Just raise it in poor conditions and you will get a perfect bismuth shell like anon's.
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they have them until they're starting to mature.
it's a feral my neighbour found a year or so ago, the russian tortoises I raise myself have smooth shells.

been looking to sell it but only people that want to buy them for their kids react to them.
A look like >>3080349 would be my favourite, no humps but all the edges. I have medium ugly pyramid hermanni already.
Since raising tortoises is stupid I would adopt anyway but I fear they're not quite cool enough to make my ceap ass build a suitable inside enclosure.
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that's an adult female, the males are a bit narrower and tend to keep some of the bumps.
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was cycling and decided to take some pics of the drosera colony nearby now that it's sunnier.
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and rotundifolia
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d. intermedia is supposingly less common but I see it more frequently than rotundifolia
That's it, thanks anon. Plantism is form of autism I'd like to acquire. Where did you start learning about identification?
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in school but I don't actually use taxonomic keys to identify pictures on the internet.
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What's your degree? And have another picture of this beauty.
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botany specialized in a bad mix of forestry and horticulture.

take clippings and stuff them in a thick book, you can frame then once dried if you like the plant so much.
Perhaps I will. Going to collect seeds too do I can grow them where I want next year.
Groovy pics.
The best thing about it is how much more plants you'll see if you know them. Just get started with the weeds around your house.
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Eat them. They're edible. Back in first grade, all the kids at my school would just eat them if we saw em.
if you were smart, you'd pick the flowers off before they seed, and halt their spread.
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I think this is Indian pipe. thoughts? found growing near russula mushrooms and various trees
kinda looks like weraroa

saute them up in some oil with garlic and cannelli beans greenz and beenz can't be beat
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What's some good stuff to do with rangpur limes? they all ripened at same time
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hey /plant/, give me the rundown on growing summer-dormant succs like Lithops and Aeonium.
Don't water the Lithops in summer? Or in winter either, for that matter?
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droseras used to grow in every ditch here pre ww2 but overfertilization killed all of them, now they're sort of rare but not hard to find if you know what to look for.

it's only gonna get worse as politicians are completely clueless about environmentally-friendly farming and farmers don't give a fuck because they've got no successors anyway.

also the province obsessively manages waterlevels here which also caused a lot of plants that need the water level to drop for germination to decline.
mow more often so they don't establish, if your lawn is small scarify it with a rake every now and then.
you water them after they've divided themselves and the old skin layer is completely shriveled and the plant itself getting wrinkly I think.
what about Aloinopsis?
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they're winter growers so you don't water them when they're dormant in the summer.
so should i just let it shrivel up completely? atm i water it when the leaves go soft. it barely grows though.
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it's not supposed to shrivel much if it's dormant, doe.
Here's a basic watering guide for mesembs.
thanks anon
>consistent light watering except during dormancy, sensitive roots
>needs extra water during growing season to maintain fat leaves or roots
>Grows almost all year long
>short dormancy during mid summer
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don't be too strict about it, but when you're in doubt it's best not to water.

microclimates vary a lot so you'll need to adjust how much and how often you will have to water it accordingly during their active growing season.
I want an orchid for my little west-facing kitchen window. it's bright all day, but only gets direct sunlight for less than an hour towards sunset.
But all I see in the shops is Phalaenopsis and the occasional Dendrobium.
Are there any more interesting orchids (or another flowering plant maybe?) for this kind of location?
I just don't want something boring or ordinary.
Ludisia is nice, but too small, I want something tall but narrow like a Phal or Dendrobium.
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humidity is the biggest issue for more interesting species but you can easily fix that with a vase or a terrarium, as long as you don't let the roots sit in water.
Basically don't water when it's very hot. Aloinopsis can handle watering every other time of the year but try to water when its shriveled only. As >>3081075
says if you're unsure just skip on watering and check up on it later.
Look online for a dedicated orchid nursery and browse their stock. There are so many orchids that would do fine there it makes no sense to ask for recs, we have no idea what plants you find cool. There are some great phals and dendrobiums IMO, I like p. schilleriana or and d. spectabile, although it may be too dark for a dendro. You could go for pretty much any paphiopedilum, maaybe some low light phragmipedium like pearcei. Psychopsis may work there, but i don't quite believe you that it's "bright all day". Not sure why you deem ludisia too small but a phal acceptable, just put it in a tall pot and let it hang over the edges. It eventually ends up bushier and bigger than a phal.
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only species phals are good and you know it.

they only grow well upside down or sideways tho.
I do know it, that's why i listed a species as an example. Got a (para)phalaenopsis labukensis in the mail, can't wait.

Phals grow fine cucked into a pot if you dont pour water into them but I do prefer them mounted.
species phals aren't adapted well to dealing with moisture on their leaves and their flower spikes snap growing upright.

I used to have phalaenopsis amboinensis.
That's why i said don't pour water into it. Also Ive never seen a phal spike snap when upright unless helped out by a cat or a retard child.

Nice one, I do enjoy the waxy striped lads quite a lot.
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I had them outdoors during the summer so their spikes would sometimes collapse under their own weight with a little bit of help from the wind.

can't be bothered growing high humidity plants indoors anymore, too much mold unless you have a dehumidifier running 24/7
i like this.
are they streptocarpus?
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ramonda myconi.

I got some seedlings of them laying around.
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some plants too actually.
>tfw own potbelly pig
>dandelions pop up for approximately 20 seconds before getting decimated instantly
Feels nice to have my own biological weed killer
People can eat dandelions too
Get some heal-alls, they are stronger.
My fig tree doesn't seem to be getting ripe figs at all, I may need to water it more often? Live in NC and its been super hot outside.
Hey guys, there's a fledgling hornet nest outside my patio, they seem pretty cozy setting up (3 or so wasps). Any carnivorous plant that can kill a few? I already have a spray handy, but I'm curious to hear from you nice fellas.
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Depending on which kind, don't even harm them.
If you don't want them there just make it uncomfortable for them. But I'de strongly recommend to stop being a coward and leave them, it's fascinating seeing them building their nest and observing them. I had one in the wall of our summer house near the front door and our outside breakfast table and even with a lot of small kidsrunning around they did nothing but to keep the food snatching kind of wasps away. Pic related, those are super chill.
this. hornets look like big scary wasps, but they are no more agressive than a bumble bee in my experience.
t. hornet
Hornets are cunts. They completely destroyed a bumblebee nest I had in my garage and moved in themselves. Thankfully they cooked during the heatwave.
Fuck hornets.
that's nature, lad
Most bumblebees are rental nomads, they don't even really build nests, just move into some homes and clutter it. Sad birds can't raise their young in the spot they used for years because a shitty bumblebee felt the need to ruin it.
bumblebees are more important than birds.
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Australian-endemic Callistemon flowering on a chilly Queensland winter morning.
When I was a kid we used to strip the little woody seed cups and jam them in the ends of our bicycle pumps and shoot each other with them. Luckily nobody lost an eye.
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Dumpster fire typical of a suburban park in south-east Queensland.
A self-sown Queensland silver wattle (Acacia podalyriifolia) next to some sort of garden-escapee oleander and a garden-escapee Monstera deliciosa, all on top of Sphagneticola trilobata, a relentless Mexican weed known here as Singapore daisy because it took over Malaysia first.
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Re-built this little fence today and planted a Passiflora incarnata "Snow". I just discovered the passionflower existed last week and went to a local nursery to get some cheap soil for my stone path >>3078789 and they had one by chance.
Very interesting looking flower
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My Kurenai jishi is looking like a DUDE WEED
What a mess, but that Monstera deliciosa is a cool looking plant
And yeah, you can't really get mad at deliciosa.
Nice, it is midnight here but I'll post a pic of my hydrangea tomorrow. Cut every flower off it a little over 2 weeks ago to decorate the bridal arch for a friend's daughter's wedding. It is back in full bloom again.

Do you live in America? Send native orchids plez

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