Wild rooster editionPost and talk about chickens in this thread.
>>3072272Other /chk/ didn't reach bump limit yet.
I love gamefowl but sometimes I think American Game is to chickens what pitbulls are to dogs.
Grey Junglefowl>Red Junglefowl
>>3072393How can I bake a cake like this for my chicks?
>>3072272nice cock. haha I bet I'm the first to come up with that.
Anyone have tips for getting ducklings for the first time? Mostly how to get them to tolerate me
>>3073286Does the neck feather expansion while agressive exclusive to game fowls, or do most domestic chicken breeds can do the same thing?
>>3073680I see the new /chk/ is off to a great start.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
>>3073865Facebook destroyed their brain. Don't visit that place.
>>3073286For sure, it's only through having had a supreme gamefowl cock that I understand why on earth people love their piddys.
>>3073751I've never known a chicken not to.
>>3073992The only ones that don't are the naked necked varieties, for obvious reasons. The real question is do they tighten their skin as if they have feathers or do they know that they do not?
>>3073865To be fair, she's not wrong...
>>3074011>intentionally cause an animal pain>animal becomes afraid of youNo shit. That doesn't mean it's okay.
So /chk/, how do I make them love me
>>3074247Not sure how that happened. It’s upright in my photos.
>>3074247Same way as you’d handle women - ply them with corn and mashed hard boiled eggs. And avoid making loud noises that will scare them.
>>3073286My gamefowl do well with other breeds. They're bossy but they don't hurt anyone.
Redpill me on red jungle fowl, I know some people keep them as pets. What's their temperament like in comparison to fully domestic chickens?
Cute creampuff egger!
>>3074247give them hugs
>>3075606She's lovely. Is she yours?
>>3075720>Emotional support chickenMakes me wish I had an issue which could justify me carrying a chicken around everywhere.
>>3075740That hen has such caring eyes.
P O L L OC O C O D R I L L O
turkey hens are really annoying, might as well be a guinea keet
>>3074011>if an animal is being aggressive towards you just escalate the situation haha force it into fight modeRetards suggesting you kick or stomp on a five-pound animal with hollow bones should not be allowed near animals or children.
>>3076071Turkey hens are quite and keep to themselves. Toms get all uppity and hiss/gobble a lot, but imo it's adorable.
>>3076071Guineas are cute. CUTE!
>>3076100Hens aren't quiet at all. They screech at everything like faggot retards. Easily one of the most annoying birds I've ever had the displeasure of being around. Unironically would rather have a guniea ranch than deal with turkey hens.
>>3076108Strange. I kept two hens and a tom for years. The hens rarely made any noise.
>>3076101I actually wouldn't mind them if they weren't retarded and extremely noisy. They're interesting birds and nice to look at. Maybe if I find out about a secret uncle who left me a 1500 acre ranch I'll get some.
Black Sumatra. Cool and basedpilled. Ayam Cemani? Uncool, cringepilled.
>>3076338What's the difference, O arbiter of black chickens?
>>3076372One costs about 5-10x less
One of my Roundheads
>>3074247For starters, don't hang them upside down.
>>3076372Black Sumatra, King of Epic>four-foot long tails on the roosters>smallish but not Silkie or Bantam tier>grows multiple spurs for aesthetic points and to fuck up coons or feral cats>minimal waddle and comb, therefore minimal frostbite risk in colder climates>costs like 7-15 bucks a chick>basically the Akita or Malamute of the chicken worldAyam Cemani, Holder of the Yikes>just a Hot Topic Leghorn>no aesthetics aside from color>only gimmick applies if you plan to eat it>only shilled for by people looking to sell them>costs 1 billion dollars, your soul, naming rights to your firstborn son, marriage rights to your firstborn daughter, both kidneys, your house, and an Amazon gift card>the bulldog of the chicken world
>>3076409He looks like an assassin.
>>3075527Wilder, more independent, great flyers, light on their feet and very observant.
>>3076492>Hot TopicI had to look this up. What an indictment!
>>3076383>>3076492There’s 10 ayam cemani for $70 over on rare breed auctions. I think the price bubble burst for them.
>>3076730There's some second tier ones but also yes, people realized trying to make money breeding them (or even breaking even) is very difficult to impossible.
>Hen on the left has been acting strange since yesterday>Stays away from the rest of the flock, walks slow, doesn't have her tail up and stands weird>Look it up, she might be having egg issuesAnyone else have experience with this?
>>3077436>stands weirdDoes she have her abdomen low to the ground. It does sound like she's eggbound, you have to act fast or infection will kill her in a few days. I've never actually dealt with an eggbound hen myself, but here is an article that might help you.https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/egg-binding-symptoms-treatment-and-prevention.66978/
>>3077438Yeah that sounds like her. Shit, we gave her a warm bath with some Epsom salt to help her relax, but I'll have to check tomorrow morning if the egg passes. Otherwise, I'll need to help her directly.Thanks anon
eggers are the softest of frens
I've been eating cloaca for many years. At my peak I'd get 28 chickens off in about 20 minutes almost every day, and this went on for years. Just one after another with my mouth on their backside and my hands under wing and across back, simulating the best mount they could ever hope for. Powerful cute little orgasms for everyone and a coop full of happy clucking. These days I only have a few birds, but I still get them off whenever they're frisky, which is almost every time I go out to them.I have literally never gotten sick from salmonella or ecoli or anything like that. Just normal human illnesses that can be traced to other sources. I'm not retarded about it though. If a chicken is sick I won't eat them out, and they won't be interested in it anyway. I worm them on a schedule too for their health, but chicken worms shouldn't be able to infect a human anyway.
>>3077441It could also be egg yolk peritonitis. You should palpate for a bound egg. If you can't find one, start aggressive antibiotics immediately. Egg yolk peritonitis often comes with a milky foamy discharge at the vent along with all the symptoms of egg binding, but the discharge doesn't always happen, leading to misdiagnosis. The only reliable method I've found for differentiating the two is actually feeling for an egg.>>3077530It's always an honor when my posts are pasta'd.
>>3077512Saved. Are there any of these but for other breeds of chicken?
>>3077740The artist is new/small on twitter but he says he likes bird butts in his bio
>>3077748Based. Theropods have the best rear ends.
>>3077721What beauties you have there.
>>3077721I would let them peck at my dick
Have you ever heard of button quail?They're like baby chickens but they never get bigger.Here's my two.
>>3078050They are both malesThe white one is a rescue, he was bald when I got him
>>3078052How long do they live?
>>3078059"3 to 5 years, though I've heard of them living 9"The hens lay an egg a day just like chickens
>>3078050Coturnix are better and friendlier, though still more skittish than chickens
>>3078050Quail seem cool but I feel like my other birds would step on them and crush them by accident.
Wow, what a badass farmer chick! You show that 10 pound bird who's boss by kicking and beating him into submission!
>>3078121What "other birds"?Quail cannot be kept with or near chickens as chickens carry a disease that can kill quailButton quail are used as bottom feeders for other birds
>>3078134Jesus, if you're that scared of an animal you shouldn't keep one. Especially if you're a neurotic woman prone to chimping out on small birds with hollow bones
>>3078144>quail can die from being near chickensWhat little bitches, no wonder they suck.
>>3078147They also scare easy and can die of heart attackHence the 3 to 5 year expected lifespanI have raised them in a cage so they can see and hear everything aroundI feed them mealworms by hand and only if they peck my finger firstAfter months of this they now run to the walls and stick their heads out when I come home from work and I can scratch them through the bars
>>3078145>it's okay to kick and terrorize roosters as long as you do it the right way
>>3078158I also have chickens but I keep them outside.
>>3078160It's not really a kickMore of a foot tossI've done this to small dogs biting at my ankles
>>3078134I've been attacked by a large aggressive rooster. He slashed through my jeans and cut my leg up a bit. You know what I did?I stood there while he did it, then picked him up, put him in the coop, and closed the door. Because I was something like 20 times his weight and I'm a fucking adult.
>>3078163Don't get a rooster if you can't resist the urge to kick if you get attacked. The only correct solution to this problem is being persistent in picking him up and petting him until he knows you're not going to hurt or challenge him. This has worked for me with many roosters in the past.
>>3078163>>3078168I dunno I kind of push my rooster aside with my foot sometimes. He's a bit autistic even for a rooster so sometimes I need to kind of move him to one side or block his path with a foot.
>>3078180Maybe you should try being nice to him, anon. Even if he's not nice to you. Because you are a human being blessed with more advanced intelligence.
>>3078184He's fine and plenty human docile, I'm just tempering his behavior like an older rooster would since he needs a bit of help being a rooster (eg not stealing food from hens, bringing hens treats instead of trying to keep them for himself or making pointless runs at other chickens.)
>>3078168I don't want a rooster...They have talons and are naturally defensive of their flock.It was also made illegal by a new city bylaw after my neighbor had one.True story, we live at the top of the city (mountain) and his rooster would jump onto his fence and call every morningIt was so loud it could be heard at the local race track.After he got rid of the rooster his hens started mysteriously vanishing.Turns out his beloved friendly baby licking pitbull was eating them.
>>3078203How is pushing him around with your foot teaching him those things?
>>3078208>how is preventing a rooster from doing a thing deterring it from doing it shit dude i dunno tell me since you're apparently the rooster psychologist
>>3078213>calling me "rooster psychologist" in jestSo funny, great post. Have you heard of the golden rule?
>>3078283Generally I'd prefer someone smarter than me to teach me how to do things.
>>3077503Easter eggers a shit. Most skittish unfriendly breed
>>3078161How many chooks have you got? That looks like a heavenly scratching ground for them.
New to chickening. My laying hens eggs all have meat spots. Should I panic?
>>3078584>Should I panic?Immediately. Burn the coop down, it's the only way to be sure.No it's fine.
Anyone ever got a fertilised egg from a supermarket? Do free run farms usually have roosters?
>>3078896No and no. Eggs you get from a supermarket come from hens that are kept in tiny battery cages with a few other hens for the whole of their short lives until their egg production slows down, then they're slaughtered.
>>3078896It's probably possible if they were pastured/free range and were using a breed that was harder to sex (i imagine just about every production farm uses leghorns though.) I don't imagine it's a thing with the cheap white eggs you can get for $1 a dozen though.
>>3078902They were 6 canuck bucks for a dozen and they were brown, not leghorn eggs. Had to also google the difference between free run and free range cause I thought they were the same thing. Guess there's no point for a rooster when they're free run.
>>3078909>free runYeah there's tricky wording to make it sound better than it is. Pastured eggs are generally the ones with the happiest and most eco friendly chickens.
I love Orpingtons, they're so big and poofy.
>>3079049For the longest time for whatever reason I didn't think orpington hens had combs, I must have been thinking of some other breed.They are cool though, didn't know they were that fluffy either
>>3078923>>3078912>>3078909>>3078902>>3078898Not every country is Cuckistan, Amerilards.
>>3079131>obsessed retard can't read and/or doesn't know what Canada is
>>3079131What did he mean by this? I don't see how the country of the poster is relevant to this conversation.
>>3079138Probably thinks that the horrific abuse of chickens isn't a nearly universal thing across the planet.
>>3079146It is. But whatever, it is way cheaper, than having whatever amount of land needed for 1 chicken.
>>3079159>abuse is okay because it's cheaper than giving them an even remotely pleasant lifeWhy would you come to the chicken general to say this? Seriously, kill yourself.
>>3079159If we didn't consume literally billions of chickens a year then we wouldn't need 10x the surface of the planet to humanely keep them.Most problems we have are driven by stepping over clear lines to chase decadence. If we just refused to keep chickens inhumanely in the first place, the we wouldn't have a food system which revolved around making the price per pound of poultry as low as possible.
>>3079173>Why would you come to the chicken general to say this?I have no idea. Anyway, meat chicken are gonna be killed young anyway, so abuse isn't really important.Also, they usually don't have wild birds visiting, so less chance of not passing whatever food standards. >>3079178Meat consumption is inhumane anyway, so it doesn't really matter, which conditions meat lived in. But what about eggs?
The next time I make the new /chk/ I am going to specify that no not nice discussion of chickens is allowed.
>>3079219I'm sorry. Anyway, how much does home made egg cost, compared to supermarket one? This would be 100% more humane than any commercially used method of getting eggs.
>>3079221It all depends how you get them. No idea what people charge at farmer's markets for instance, but I have a neighbor that sells her chickens' eggs and she charges $3 a dozen. I don't sell my eggs, make scrambled eggs and feed back to chickens.
>>3079221>>3079223Price for local eggs depends mostly on how many other people are doing it nearby. It can be a serious race to the bottom in a lot of places where you can get a dozen for $1. I'd say the average is probably around $4/doz for your average local farm eggs. Some cities you could get away with easily 2-3x that. Union Square Greenmarket in NYC it's probably around $5 for a half dozen of large free range eggs.
>>3079223Let's assume you own couple hens. How much does it cost to keep chickens?
>>3079230A fully mature chicken will eat about .3lbs of feed a day. A 50lb bag of feed is about $19 at tractor supply. 8 cubic feet of pine shavings is $7 at tractor supply and will last probably 3 months if you have a small coop for 3 chickens. Building a good coop costs money unless you have a lot of good scrap material. It also depends highly on type of coop. The upkeep costs for chickens is quite low though. You'll spend more money heating a brooder for 6~ wks before they can go outside and building their coop than you will on anything they'll need to keep them alive after that.
>>3079216Not all meat consumption is inhumane. Lab grown meat exists now and apparently it's very close to mass commercialization.As for the eggs, I'm almost convinced that you should only be eating them if they're a side effect of keeping birds as pets.In other news, I just closed up my coop and I gave all my girls a goodnight chest scritch.>>3079230A lot more than you might think. My ongoing costs are about $10/mo avg per hen for feed, bedding and winter heat. The coop was $600 to build and I'm taxed $120 a year for it. A sick chicken can easily cost $40-100, and because they're pets I put in a best effort to treat them.It's hard to talk about the capital costs because the coop also adds value to the home, so we'll discount that.$10/mo * 6 birds = $60Taxes/mo = $10Medical/mo = $15 (rough average)That's $85/mo, and I get roughly 120 eggs a month for a price per egg of $0.70 per egg or $8.50 a dozen.
>>3079233>The coop was $600 to buildI think we can ignore build price, since coop probably can last 20-30 years no problem. >and I'm taxed $120 a year for it. Apparently US is a land of freedom, as in freedom tax... Do you have poured concrete foundation and stuff?>$8.50 a dozenOK as a hobby/pet I guess. >Lab grown meat exists now and apparently it's very close to mass commercialization.This would take a while. First to buy that would be vegans (but not anti-vax ones), and shit would be overpriced. After maybe 30 years, when industry will do the switch, it would probably cost less, then meat costs today.>As for the eggs, I'm almost convinced that you should only be eating them if they're a side effect of keeping birds as pets.A lot of food contains. Bread, pancakes, waffles, etc... So it is really hard. >>3079231Okay. So, 3 chickens, around 60 eggs.>30 lb/month, or $11.50 aprox>$2.30 of beddingSo, about $14 for 60 eggs, about $3 per 12 egg... + some random stuff, like heating if shithole is frozen, and vet. I have one question, how do they manage to get 12 eggs for $1? Food in bulk is 3 times cheaper? Jewish tricks?
>>3079249Most people selling eggs aren't making a profit. But 10 chickens will make too many eggs for most people to eat. If you're looking to make a profit from eggs I would suggest not trying to.
>>3079257>But 10 chickens will make too many eggs for most people to eat.So they will give eggs for free to everyone they know just to get rid of them, before they go bad. >If you're looking to make a profit from eggs I would suggest not trying to.I was just wondering if it is possible to produce eggs at home which would cost nearly as much as supermarket ones. But I guess it is not possible, because economies of scale and such. It is more of a hobby thing, than something economically viable. A bit more useful hobby, than having a pair of parrots.
>>3079264You can't compare with a factory/farm having 1,000-25,000+ bantam leghorns but if you want free range/pastured eggs which are like $5 or more a dozen in the grocery story it's cheaper.
>>3079267>f you want free range/pastured eggs which are like $5 or more a dozen in the grocery story But are those really free-range? Is there any difference if compared to ordinary eggs?If you consider amount of work (cleaning, feeding, etc.) - it would be probably more than $5, so it is a hobby with eggs as byproduct, but not eggs with byproduct of having chicken as pets. Quite useful hobby, unlike other pets, or electronics...
>>3079275A lot of eggs are sold as "cage free" which people take as free range. in the US anyway if something says exactly "free range" it must mean "continuous access to the outdoors during their production cycle, which may or may not be fenced and/or covered with netting-like material" according to the USDA. "Natural" "free run" etc don't really mean much and I don't think are regulated by the USDA. Allowing chickens to forage (assuming you have good forage land) actually cuts down on feed costs a lot. My 16 chickens eat about 3lbs of feed (so about half of average) but they have a lot of access to insects, ryegrass, clover, wildflower, etc with my paddock system (basically just a 25 x 25' or so amount of fence I move around.)
>>3078307Fake and gay, I’ve had 4 and 3 have been super friendly including >>3075606
>>3078307>>3079300Who do I believe I want a friendly chicken friend with cool eggs but if he skedaddle then no
>>3079338Why does the egg color matter that much to you? Favaucana and Easter Eggers can be nice (any breed can be nice or an asshole really) but they have a higher chance of being a dick than say a Golden Comet or Barred Rocks or Faverolles.
>>3079340Color egg have higher IQ
>>3079249>freedom taxI live in New Hampshire. Property tax is basically all the state gets from us. They make it count, that's for sure.>how do they manage to get 12 eggs for $1?By keeping thousands of birds packed into horrendous conditions.>>3079275Around here in grocery stores there are a few egg/milk/meat brands from local farms. You can literally drive an hour or two and take a tour to see if the conditions are ethical enough for you to buy their product.I did this during a period of time when I didn't have any chickens. Ended up paying $6/doz for about a year and I don't regret it. Those birds were well cared for.>>3079338Easter eggers are more skittish in general but if you handle them lots during their growth and adolescence then they'll trust you a lot more and will see you as a point of security. They tend to not like being held so much, but if you have them out in the yard with you, they'll stay nearby while foraging.If you want cuddlers you'll want plymouth rocks. Especially as they get older, rocks just love to sit in a lap and get doted on.
>>3079344My rocks don't really love being pet but they'll hop up on my knee or walk over my feet when I'm around. Most of them will scoot away if I try to pick them up but if I do they don't really complain. My friendliest chicken is actually my Liege Fighter. If you just want a (human) friendly chicken then hand raised game breeds are very nice though I'd be careful mixing breeds if you don't have a lot of space since they can get more territorial than typical breeds.
>>3079342Thats bull. My speckled Sussex is smarter than all my shit easter eggers
What's the secret to a coop that can stand up to winter but has enough ventilation?
>>3079732Where do you live? I'm in the Pacific Northwest and year round it stays warm enough that I can get away with a three inch tall opening between the wall and the roof for ventilation.
>>3079736new england, weather is pretty awful since it hits both extremes and can get down to below 0 (f) in the winter and close to 100 in the summer I think I might have to just put ventilation first and use supplemental heating set on a temp control
>>3079732You only need a very small amount of ventilation if you keep the litter clean and use a nipple waterer. The idea is just to keep moisture down. Chickens don't make much moisture themselves, so it doesn't need to be drafty like a horse barn.If your climate is below freezing for months on end, then definitely insulate (with anything except fiberglass). Just an inch of foam will do an enormous amount as long as you seal gaps. This will make your heat lamps much more effective, which will save you electricity in the long run.>>3079745NH checking in. Yes, definitely insulate, and use window tape on corners to keep air from blowing through. Put weather stripping on the door as well, but make sure they can't pull at it. Our winter air is cold and bone dry. Opening the run up during the daytime is plenty enough ventilation. The coop will be expensive to build, but you'll be saving lots on heat and not having to treat cold related health issues.
>>3079749Yeah I expected it to be a bit expensive. I'm planning on mitigating the cost by making it a dual purpose building I can use as a workshop/storage/garage. Basically like a horse barn with a tack room but instead of the tack room it's a coop.
>>3079749>This will make your heat lamps much more effectiveNot him, but what kind of lamp should I use and how should I set it up to make it as little of a fire hazard as possible?
>>3079775What about AC (heat pump) for coop? Window ACs are cheap and many of them can into heating...
>>3079775Clamping lamp holders with wire guards on the front, and those ceramic infrared elements. Red lamps are okay but they make lots of light and they burn out pretty quickly.Do not trust the clamp. They're good for positioning, but they can be pulled down. Either put screws in a rafter and put the clamp over them (so you can still move it, but yanking down will cause it to stop on the screws), or use steel wire as a safety so it can't drop to the floor if pulled. I use two 100W elements pointed at roosts, and a baylight temperature controller. The setup can keep the coop 20F warmer than outside. If it's going to be like -10 then I'll add a third lamp, but when it's warner out the third lamp causes wide temperature swings since my controller is binary on/off. You'll have to experiment with your coop.>>3079797Not necessary in our climate. Provide shade and cool soil to dig in and dust bathe with. They'll thermoregulate just fine, unless it's like 100 out for days so the ground gets dry. In that case, just hose down their bathing area to keep the soil moist.
>>3079807>Not necessary in our climate.As heater. I think it is way safer, than any resistive heater, while consuming less energy.There is a problem though, cheap ones don't really work when it is colder than -15C.
>>3079978>colder than -15C.I'm so glad I don't live on the East coast.
>>3079992It builds character, that's why everyone from California is a fake cunt.
>>3079996Who said anything about California? Fuck California. They're moving up here to Washington and taking all their shitty laws with them. For the sake of my chickens, I am just happy that I don't have to deal with sub zero temperatures.
>>3079998Is there a way to stop Californian law cancer spreading outside from US? >>3079992-15C isn't even that cold.
What would be the easiest state to raise chickens in? I feel like somewhere around Tennessee.
>>3079978The aircons which do heating are anemic even at 0C. You need the $2,000 real-deal to get both reasonable heating and cooling from a phase change heat pump. Resistive heating is perfectly safe if simple precautions are taken, and you'll want radiant heat right over the roosts anyway.
>>3080007>The aircons which do heating are anemic even at 0C. You need the $2,000 real-deal to get both reasonable heating and cooling from a phase change heat pumpCapacity drops, but COP is still above 1. Sure, expensive inverter AC with electronic expansion valve would do better, than cheap aircon with capillary tube. Idk, at 0C even cheap ass AC works good as heater.>Resistive heating is perfectly safe if simple precautions are taken, and you'll want radiant heat right over the roosts anyway.It is cheaper to install. And it won't get clogged with dust and what not.
>>3080049The numbers ain't good, bud. My IR lamp system cost $95 all in. I'm finding tiny heat pumps which get reviews better than "it doesn't work" go for $450. My system uses about 1.6 kWh a day and my power is usually around 14 cents in the winter months. I was generous, and assumed the same "usage" for the pump and a COP of 2.It comes to break even at about 26 years. With a COP of 3 it shifts to about 19 years. My IR setup is on year 4 of operation without trouble. How long will an aircon designed for residential use survive a dusty coop? I'm guessing not 19 years.
>>3080081>The numbers ain't good, budAgree. With such cheap electricity and only 1,6 kW-h of electricity needed/day heat pump is useless, unless you have bought somewhere cheap used AC and modified it into a heat pump.>I'm finding tiny heat pumps which get reviews better than "it doesn't work" go for $450.Most people buy them as ACs (we're speaking about mini-splits, right?), and heat capacity is being selected for cooling (dropping 10C inside + some headroom). This is why it seems like they are bad heaters, especially when temperatures drop below zero. COP isn't necessary drop significantly.
>>3080118Yes, they are optimized as AC units. True heat pumps with equivalent performance in either direction are usually permanent installations and are sized as furnace/boiler replacements.
>>3073690Waterfowl generally visually imprint so crouch down and talk to them when you're doing anything like bringing more feed, changing water, etc. But any sort of poultry will become docile with regular gentle handling. Once they're a bit older you can bring them outside and have them follow you around and you can hand feed them treats occasionally so they more associate you with food.
>>3080163What did he mean by this? No, seriously. What the fuck are you talking about, anon?
>>3080006The best game fowl is raised in KY & TN, so you're right.
>>3080341Makes sense, good amount of green, not a huge amount of predator animals, very mild winters and summers can get hot but rarely stays above the low 90s. I'd probably move to TN if I ever jumped ship from the north east.
>>3080553That's interesting. I'm in the northeast and I've been considering TN for years.Will probably end up in VA though, because work.
>>3081379>Any tips?Yeah, kill yourself
>>3081385Based /chk/ poster.
>>3081499You should kill yourself too.
>>3081499>>3081379take cyanide tablets
>>3081499>>3081379Suck start a shotgun.
>>3081526>>3081504>>3081502You all need to drink bleach with ammonia.
>>3081502>>3081504>>3081526well now i know how to trick /cock/
>>3081541>>3081535>go to animal board>talk about and glorify animal abuse>"why is everyone mad at me?!?!?"I say again, commit suicide.
>>3081558Cock fighting is better than pic related.
>>3081385>>3081405>>3081504>>3081526>>3081526>>3081558when you idiots ignore bestiality posts you open the door to all kinds of animal abuse postswhich is funny but you're not smart enough to see the humor
>>3081570At least that provides food. Fighting is literally just for entertainment and the cocks are kept in no better conditions.
>>3081572>zoophilia is the same as sadistic tortureNice try, you disgusting taco nigger.
>>3081580they're literally the same thing, moron.the way you feel about cock fighting is how the rest of the world feels about you
>>3081579I don't know details, but I think fighting cocks must be kept in pretty good conditions to be able to fight.Anyway, I think that chickens got domesticated because of cock fighting, not because of taste. In any case, it is too easy to bait /chk/...>>3081581That is difficult topic to discuss.
>>3081581>Sexual stimulation is just like torture!>I don't understand it so it's icky!The repression is tangible. We routinely bring animals to orgasm in the name of profit, which is of course more morally okay than doing it just because they like it.>>3081589They are not kept in good conditions, pic related, and they're fucked with endlessly to keep them pissed off.>chickens got domesticated because of cock fightingOh and it's been so great for them? I'd gladly give them up as pets if it meant we didn't originally use their deaths as entertainment, then as food by the billion.
>>3081602>picrelatedIf this is a real thing, it is indeed not better, than chicken gulag.
>>3081602lmao stop shilling your antigamefowl agenda anon, as >>3081589 said they must be kept in ample spaces and in top health to compete welli agree it's ethically wrong but so is the way broiler chickens are kept to achieve economies of scale.
>>3081606>but so is the way broiler chickens are kept to achieve economies of scaleNo shit. I don't think that anon, or anyone in this thread, is being an apologist for barbaric factory farming. Cockfighting is is cruel, killing chickens for their flesh is cruel, keeping hens in horrible conditions for their eggs before slaughtering them at 2 years old is cruel. Chickens are the most abused animal on Earth.
>>3081607Can't we just accept that humans are cruel?
>>3081602>defending animal abuse on /an/kys
>>3081616I think you had quoted wrong post, leatherman.
>>3081604That's how most fighting cocks are kept. Those woven basket cages are iconic in the """sport""".>>3081606>antigamefowl agendaHoly shit, what?>it's ethically wrong but so is the way broiler chickens are keptOne does not excuse the other. They're both wrong, full stop.>>3081611Yes. That doesn't mean "well humans are cruel anyway, so we might as well kill chickens for fun".>>3081620He might be talking about my argument against completely equating zoophilia and abuse. There is some overlap, but I don't believe it's impossible to practice zoophilia unethically.This is a distraction thought. The main topic here is cock fighting, which is wrong and does not belong in this general. Call it bait, tell me I'm trolled for defending a comfy /an/ thread. I don't care. It's worth pushing against even if the other side are just shitposters.
>I'm such an animal lover!>*takes bite of steak*>people who kill and abuse innocent animals are monsters!>*sips tall glass of whole milk">we need to stop the dog meat trade in China! I can't sleep at night knowing that precious furbabies are being mistreated!>*cracks store bought egg into pan*
>>3081626>One does not excuse the other. They're both wrong, full stop.I agree 100% with you however>That's how most fighting cocks are kept. Those woven basket cages are iconic in the """sport""".and>and they're fucked with endlessly to keep them pissed off.are both complete bullshit. americans' smallest cage are either 4x4x4ft dome pens, and mexicans' ubiquitous small cage is 1x1x1m square pen. also nobody hits them, they're for the most part very tame and the man fighters ones are shunned for obvious reasons (they can cut the handler)
>>3081629You know, you may love taste of animal, nothing wrong with it. Some nation tastes are just more weird and unhygienic. Otherwise, I have no idea how AIDS had become a thing (raw monkey eating).Also there is nothing wrong loving specific species/groups of animals.
>>3081636>complete bullshitI'd say sparring and teasing fall under "fucking with endlessly". The goal is to make them extremely aggressive and many little tricks are used to accomplish this. These roosters do not life nice lives.
>>3081644sparring is seldom used because it ruins feathers and bruises them up, again keep in mind they are to be shown in competition. maybe once or twice during the keep and only for a couple seconds. they're not made aggressive this way, in any case you won't make an ace out of a dunghill this way.let me help you out a little and tell you some people in the sport use anabolics or testosterone with the intent of making them more aggressive, this is a big divide in the community and it's very wrong imo
>>3081626>I don't believe it's impossible to practice zoophilia unethically.the vast majority of western civilization agrees that bestiality is anima abuse./an/ can tell itself whatever it wants, that doesn't change facts or laws. Your hypocrisy shows when you condemn some abuses but not others.
Please don't have sex with your chickens
>>3081663Better get something bigger for this.
>>3081655The vast majority of western civilization agrees that keeping chickens in dark warehouses packed so full that each bird is always in contact with another bird isn't animal abuse. They also think it's fine to use electric shock to force ejaculation, and to shove instruments in females for insemination. They agree that keeping mares continually pregnant for prenarin extraction is perfectly reasonable. Breeding dogs that can barely breathe is fine. Docking tails is fine. Breeding a bitch every cycle until she physically can't anymore is fine.But GOD FORBID anyone sexually stimulate an animal for their benefit. That would be a clear cut case of abuse since no human is profiting off it.Your hangups are not objective. You see hypocrisy in me because you refuse to confront the cognitive dissonance in yourself. How you can twist giving sexual stimulation to an animal strictly for their enjoyment into abuse, while believing doing the same for industrial profits and for the pleasure of humans is okay, is an incredible display of normiethink. You'll only accept something as ethical if the crowd agrees. It's absolutely pathetic.
>>3081663Nobody here is doing that, especially not the zoofags. Well, maybe the cockfight cunts who think it's okay to have chickens be killed for entertainment might do it, since the end result is the same.
>>3081669projectingI don't care about cock fighting or factory farming or you fucking your animals.I am saying you object to some forms of abuse because you don't personally enjoy them while defending the forms of abuse you practice.this -among other things- means you have to put up with posts on /an/ that are just as offensive to you as your posts are to others. Which is funny. I find your outrage hilarious.
>>3081669>But GOD FORBID anyone sexually stimulate an animal for their benefit. That would be a clear cut case of abuse since no human is profiting off it.Yet if you do artificial insemination, people won't give a fuck. People are retards in general. Back in the day they were burning shperical-earthers alive.Now they are not allowing to keep native animals as pets, while allowing to own invasive species, and furthermore allow them outdoors. Ethics are bad.
>>3081675You have not shown how sexually stimulating an animal is abusive. You simply claim it to be true. It's laughable to just assume that no animal could ever possibly enjoy orgasming.
>>3081678Most civilized people consider it abuse, and that's the only definition that matters since it's the one that will land you in prison.
>>3081679I has a question. What about AI? Technically same shit, but with stolen sperm.
>>3081680Essentially nobody considers that abuse.what you fail to understand because you're not that socially aware, is that it's not about the animal's feelings. Animal abuse laws are not generally about the animals. They're about how you feel towards the animal, and thus how the rest of society feels towards you.Millenials often make that mistake, but they don't understand those abuse laws were written clear back 30 years ago when nobody considered animals capable of suffering anyways.
>>3081682Honestly, fuck the law and government. Only purpose of law is to protect government from people.Not a birdfucker, btw.
I know. They should make law, which basically puts everyone in jail, if you have feelings about computer or something....
>>3081682>it's not about the animal's feelings.this is the source of most of /an/'s confusion and dissonance, including itt.why do we lock you in jail for kicking a dog while we allow farmers to torture literal billions of animals for food? Because it's not about the dog or the farm animal, it's about you. We don't want the sort of person that enjoys harming helpless animals or people for no reason in our society.Just like fucking chickens. The laws aren't to protect the chickens. Factory farming should indicate society doesn't care about chickens. We don't want the sort of people that would fuck a helpless creature that has the mind of a toddler at best, because that's exactly the sort of person that also fucks toddlers.we want to protect society from abusive people, not necessarily protect animals.
>>3081694How can I protect myself from society, without having over 9000 billions of money?
>>3081700good luck.I'd guess there's some 3rd world countries where society has less reach, but even then you're going to answer to your neighbors to some extent.
>>3081701>I'd guess there's some 3rd world countries where society has less reachOh no no. They have society even worse than western countries.I guess I have to make a rocket to Mars and move there, before Elon Musk lands here.
>>3081704>Florida man flies to Mars to fuck chickensthat's close to how the US got started
>>3081707Kek. Can I get US citizenship and move to Florida first?
What about marine laws. Let's say I go somewhere neutral on ship and do something illegal (like selling drugs).
>>3081679That is not a good reason. We didn't used to think owning other humans was a big deal, and we used to think that sex before marriage was condemnable. The former was an obvious injustice which was corrected. The latter was people forcing views on other people for subjective reasons, and was corrected.I'm not interested in what's legal. I'm interested in what's right.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_developmentYou're taking a view from stage 3 and 4. I feel like you're reaching for 5 but missing it (you believe you're hitting 5, but actually regressing to 3). I'm mostly interested in 6. If the sexual stimulation of animals for their pleasure was fully legal tomorrow, what would the ramifications be? I don't believe there would be any negative ones.>>3081694>fuck a helpless creatureThat is not the topic. We're talking about sexual stimulation which is only physically pleasing to the animal, and maybe emotionally pleasing to the human as they like to see the animal enjoy themselves. You're conflating zoophilia with zoosadism. Stop it.>mind of a toddler at bestDo not equate human toddler intelligence with adult animal intelligence. Dolphins are said to be as intelligent as a toddler, but that doesn't mean they have a human toddler brain. they're adult animals which simply have the abstract reasoning skills roughly equal to that of a toddler, but they have the adult animal skills of their species. That means they're perfectly capable of handling things like sex, reproduction, survival, etc. They don't have fragile minds which are easily broken, like a young human has.>that's exactly the sort of person that also fucks toddlersTotal. Bullshit. Even if it was true that zoophilia and pedophilia correlate strongly (they don't, if you're going to say they do then give proofs pls), it doesn't mean you should ban one to prevent the other. Each individual should be held accountable for the ACTS only, not what they might be.
>>3081704>>3081707Laws will eventually span all corners of the galaxy, it's clear that the only permanent solution is to destroy congress with your own hands and assume control as supreme birdfucker. Only then can we ensure that our distant progeny will be able to enjoy their orpington hen's cloaca without fear of rebuke
>>3081721If by "enjoy" you mean "rub so she can get off" then yes I agree with this post.Actually boning is reserved for the 50lbs+ class of birds.
>>3081721GNU/Birdfucker. Because I want free software too.
>>3081725RMS usually sounds insane, but literally all his predictions have come true. He might just be the only sane thinker living in an absolute mindfuck of a world.
>>3081732Yep. I guess I will switch to FSF-certified GNU system one day.
>>3081720>thinks people want to argue with a literal fucker of animalskys
>>3082136I accept your admission of defeat.
>got an e-mail back from the woman I rehomed the chickens too>they're happy, healthy, and she's ready to give them back to me as soon as I get out of the shithole I currently call homeGod is real and he loves chicken people.
>>3082143sorry, didn't read your novella of a post.you're too stupid to understand I don't care what you do. I'm just explaining to your retard ass what society thinks of you.anything you have to say about that is just cope because you know for a fact I'm right.
>>3082146Society isn't always right... Stop being cattle and use your own brain.
>>3082152Oh I happen to agree with them, I think disgust with animal fucking is pretty universal. It's not a matter of reason, what you're doing is offensive to normal people's nature.your rationalizations are funny, but nobody cares when your actions are revolting. You're never going to talk people out of gagging when they learn about you, or being ashamed of you.
>>3082155You know, being gay is offensive to normal people. Let's jail them.I know why you want to say "no". Urgay
>>3082146>I didn't read your argument, I just know you're wrong.>It's not even my argument anyway even though I'm obviously mad as fuck.>You're the one coping! Lalalalala!This is pathetic. Usually anti-zoos put up more of a fight before getting this btfo.
>>3082200This is why I want to nuke fucking everybody. People are fucking retards in general. Religion, government... Fuck all this.
>>3078166if you poor water on it wont it run away like a bitch?
>>3082239Sure, but do you always carry around a cup of water? It's pretty easy to just grab them, and stick them in time out.
>>3082249>do you always carry around a cup of waterwtf anon you dont lug a water cooler with you at all times?
>>3082252Imagine not having the disposable income to own even a single simple portable water cooler, nevermind a bad boy like pic related.Enjoy getting your shins slashed, poorfags.
>>3082257Poorfags can literally never fathom the power of being able to make pussies wet at a moments notice
>>3082259>pussiesYou missed the opportunity for a cock joke.
Help name this pretty mutt. Look how black it’s legs are.
>>3082394You can't say that.
>>3082394Chicky-Chicky Black Legs
>>3082450I just did nigga and I’ll say it againlegs
>>3082200I didn't say you're wrong, moron.I said normal people are naturally disgusted and ashamed of you. we both know that's true. Good luck dealing with it.>>3082159gay people have an incredible suicide rate which is sad. Animal fuckers probably do too but nobody cares if they die.