This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia families. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered Classifieds for finding breeders and products:>kingsnake.com>faunaclassifieds.com>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)>caudata.orgMost forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.When asking a question, make sure to include these details:>Type and size of animal>Enclosure dimensions>Humidity and temperature>Type of substrate>The decor you use>How often you feed>The type of food you use>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred>How often you handle>Who you bought the animal fromOther Helpful Resources>www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com>www.joshsfrogs.com>http://www.reptilesmagazine.com>http://www.anapsid.org>http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm>https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html>http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/Old thread: >>3015991
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I finally have the money and the means to set up a big fancy planted tank and care for a herpand I am suddenly paralyzed by indecision and none of the things I've been looking at with fascination for years seem overly appealing to metell me why your child is the coolest kid on the block
>>3021385you should get a common boa because boas are bestdecided against planted with mine though, he'll squish anything fragile. Gonna texture the back wall and put pots along the back with vines in hope that they spread up the wall, and just go with fake greenery and eco earth/cypress for the substrate.puttin together the enclosure today, gonna research an attractive hardy wall climber vine tomorrow.
>>3021385You should get a BCC boa because they are the prettiest boss and boas are the best
>>3021396>>3021395 herei respect your opinion because boas are best, even if I think imperators can be prettier (locality wild type, not even counting morphs).
>>3021396>and boas are the bestThis is python country son, you best be careful with whatcha say.
>>3021436That's just depressing to look at.
>>3021403Oh boa anon, you so silly
YOU ATE THREE DAYS AGO GODDAMN IT STOP SITTING IN THE AMBUSH POSITION
>>3021496Gotta be ready
>>3021403I'm with you anon. I love BCC, but BCI "wild" coloring is just the best in my opinion. BCI for life.
>>3021530I’m the total opposite, BCC wild coloring is fucking gorgeous to me, with BCI being rather dull I do love anery BCIs though
>>3021436What’s going on here?
Any fellow euro that has even bought & picked anything up from a breeder at the Hamm expo? Specifically something CITES 1. Any general problems? Correct papers? Can the krauts be trusted?
>>3021501She's been at it since the day of her feeding. I know for a fact that the food is enough for her since my jag male is the exact same size as her and settles down for a rest after he gets his rat, she's just a glutton.
>>3021582>>3021530Get a room
Why are these threads always like 90% snakes? Are people just not into other herps or some shit?
>>3021803Snakes are the most virgin pet so they'd flock to 4chan
>>3021824>Snakes are the most virgin pet so they'd flock to 4chanStop bullying my son or I'm going to report you to the police.
>>3021848Sorry, let me rephrase thatsnakekeepers are virgins so they'd flock to 4chan
>>3021803Easiest to care for herp so will be the most popular There are anons here with other herps but for some reason they never want to post them
Be honest, would you boop it?
>>3021938>>3021940Every damn day
I'll be constructing a pond for newts at the end of this year, what kind of soil mix should I be using for the wetland area.was planning on mixing live sphagnum with coarse sand, will be using sand mixed with gravel for the bottom of the pond to anchor the plants.I want the water to stay clear so I can actually see the newts, will be using a wide variety of oxygenating plants and a filter to keep the water moving.trying to create this 'slow-moving stream' effect.
>>3021942Even ball pythons are superior to any frshwater fish.
>>3022005Don't take that fags bait. He's just trying to shit up the thread
>>3022008I'm sorry anon the bait was too good.
>>3021803There are a few people at keep different herps that post, they just tend to be less prone to posting pics and/or speaking up for anything other than advice. Beyond that though snakes are arguably the most popular reptile in the herp community as well as one of the most successfully kept. It stands to reason that a lot of folks posting here would own a snake. I have to admit though that I do miss the variety.
>>3022010Just hide the posts my guy. The sad cunt's been at it since last thread.
>>3022010You must ascend beyond bait anon
>>3021803Here's a frog.
>>3022023What a nice looking boy. Look at his little tooth!
>>3022011I was a huge lizardfag growing up but once I left highschool I got more into snakes.
>>3022030He's a funny little turd.
>>3022068Don't the metal tongs hurt his chompers?
>>3022033Understandable, I was into lizards for a bit in my freshman year of high school but got more and more into snakes as the years went by and I graduated. Now that I'm in college I've reached the conclusion that they're generally better for the herp owner with less time on their hands. Still want me a blue tree or black throat monitor when I have more time to dedicate to the hobby.
>>3022105I rather enjoy being able to leave for a week or so without needing to make arrangements for my pets. Finding someone to monitor-sit would be challenging
>>3021803>>3022011Im a Testu-Fag i never post because no one else posts them so i assume no one cares
>>3022113No one else posts them because they don’t have them People post what they have and what they want next Please post your Testu
>>3022127Kmy 14 year old red ear slider is wiggy his shell is a little rough cause I have had him since i was young and didn't really know what i was doing but its getting better with treatmentthe Russian tortoise is Gregor ive had had him for about 2 years likes to just hand out on the desk well i work very friendly
>>3022141That beak is monstrous Very sleek looking slider
>>3022141Honkin beak.I want a hermans and some Indian stars.
>>3022143yea he was a return to my local pet store ive tried to avoid filing it down as he can eat just fine and he just wont use cuttle bone as he was never give it before
>>3022127>>3022113thisas a snake guy i love most herps, just like snakes more than most. Plus they're the easiest and lowest maintenance, my 4 snakes are far less time-intensive than one big lizard would be.post all herps, so us lazy snake guys can live vicariously through you.
also well im at it rate my home made tortoise table the bottom is a linoleum counter top so that spills don't rot the wood and the front just slides on and off so its easy to clean
>>3022151those dudes are adorable but their constant activity would stress me out. Every time I see one it's happily running laps around its enclosure.
>>3022151I like it.
>>3022165they calm down a bit when you get them into a box instead of a terrarium but yea hes very active
First feeding like a duck to water
>>3022188Are you the guy that was worried he wasnt moving around?
what's people's feel about substrate for snakes?I'm very happy with aspen for the kingsnake, but he's a desert boy and sheds perfectly with house ambient humidity of 35-50% (he also loves soaking and just ignores the humid hide to hang out in the water bowl a lot during shed). But for the boas I'm wanting something that's both more natural looking and holds moisture/can handle water spills.Narrowed it down to coco fiber, cypress mulch, or a mix of both together. Not gonna plant it, gonna put together a planter or two for the live plants.What do you like? What are the problems with both? I'm currently leaning toward a 50/50 mix so I get the cypress look and use the coco fiber (eco earth bricks) as a cheap filler.Not going bioactive at the moment, probably will for the next project.
>>3022202>mix of both togetherMixing those works well. I can easily keep humidity 60-70 with several inches of that. Biggest downside to coco fiber is its kinda messy. That's about it.
>>3022202>I'm currently leaning toward a 50/50 mix so I get the cypress look and use the coco fiber (eco earth bricks) as a cheap filler.That's what I use for all of mine save for my rosy boa who gets straight dried coco husk. Great for humidity, also awesome springtails and isopods.
I used to use Aspen for everything.Now I use cypress mulch. It's more aesthetically pleasing and holds moisture without being constantly wet.I don't worry too much about humidity, mainly worried about hydration The only downside to cypress that I've had is last night during feeding my Borneo grabbed a mouthful.She dropped the rat and kept gaping her mouth. I had to use forceps to grab a piece of cypress from her glotis.That sucked.
>>3022224You can mitigate this by trying to feed her in the water dish when she's in for a soak. That's where my Sumatran takes hers since she's bound to go for a post dinner soak anyway.
>>3022233Hm I think I need to add another water dish under her hide. Blood used to soak all the time when she had a small bowl that was sheltered.
>>3022233She's never soaked.I've caught her a couple times with just her head underwater but never her full body. Rat was soaking wet and substrate stuck to it.Never had a snake get it stuck though
>>3022241That'd probably work so long as she has space to get out and still hide. Alternatively you could chuck in some artificial plants that hang over the dish canopy style to give you girl the feeling of seclusion. Would also give a nice aesthetic.
>>3022248>Alternatively you could chuck in some artificial plants that hang over the dish canopy style to give you girl the feeling of seclusion. Would also give a nice aesthetic.That's worth a try if I can find some decent ones, setup isn't very aesthetic though, just functional. Kinda like putting lipstick on a donkey
>>3022202Currently using aspen for Cali king, Hogg island boa, BCI, and hognose. Going to be moving my corn snake and rat snake over also. Have had no issues, live in PA. Haven't caught my boas soaking or anything and sheds have been great so I don't see any reason for myself to move to anything else. I've used forestfloor and eco earth in the past. Basically only using aspen for price and because I like the light look of it. Forest floor looks great for boas, but I'm actually enjoying the contrast atm.
My baby salamanders are finally starting to get some real color to them. Right now they're all about an inch and a half, give or take a little.
>>3022151>he bottom is a linoleum counter topGood choice! You can get those for cheap on clearance sometimes. I first got wise to them when I was building a workbench. Easy way to have a nice flat and durable top without putting in any work to make it that way.
>>3022205>>3022218>>3022224Thanks. I'll give the mix a try. Not doing bioactive, so gonna be doing the standard dump and deep clean in a few months and can reconsider there.>>3022271>>3022224yeah aspen's great here for the my king and likely would be fine for the boa in PVC too but I don't like how it clashes horribly with a naturalistic forest floor looking setup. And I hate how it gets fucking everywhere. Still planning to keep using it for the kingsnake, he loves making tunnels in it.
>>3022419yea we have a local construction recycling center where you can find some great stuff i got a 60 gallon tank there for like 30 bucks
>>3022347>those stumpy limbs Cute, cute!
Im making friends with the rats I picked up for my snake, God damn it Also, is it safe to handle your snake 2 days after feeding or should you wait a little longer? It's a not-tame snake
>>3022590>Im making friends with the rats I picked up for my snake, God damn itYea don't do that >Also, is it safe to handle your snake 2 days after feeding or should you wait a little longer? It's a not-tame snakeI give em 48 hours
>>3022590I usually give my colubrids around 36 hours before I mess with them. My boas though I generally give 48-72 depending on the size of the meal. My guys are so used to handling that I never had an issue when I did need to bother them right after eating, but better safe than sorry, I try to leave them alone as most as possible after feeds.
Will my two cats cause problems if I get some kind of gecko? Like I don't know if they'll try to get into enclosure, sit outside it, etc.
>>3022656>Will my two cats cause problems if I get some kind of gecko? Yes. Keep your cat away from any of your herps. My uncle's cat killed his chinese water dragon
>>3022656Get a herp that could kill the cats. A big monitor or python
>>3022657I mean not handling them around cats, I'm worried about them stressing it out or stuff like that. At my previous residence they had a fishtank and when they got it the cats watched it 24/7 for a few weeks and then just ignored it. Don't know if it would be like that or not
>>3022663The cat got him in it's cage. I wouldn't advise keeping your cats anywhere near your herps. Keep your herps in a separate room locked away from your cats
>>3022656Just don't let your cats on to whatever the tank is on and make sure the lid has a lock.If your cats aren't retarded they can generally distinguish what you don't want them jumping on
>>3022663Also wtf why do you have cats? Do you want toxoplasmosis?
>>3022656I had to get rid of my first snake because while at school the family cat would sit on the enclosure, heating the inside to 110+ I didn’t want my baby corn to die from the constant very high temp so I gave him away
>>3022681>the family cat would sit on the enclosureJust waiting to torture and bully its victim to death
>>3022685Nah, she was a big dumbo, she just wanted to sit where it was warm. I don’t think she was even aware that a snake existed there
>>3022681Nigga what? Just smack the cat off there
>>3022973Did you read my post? The cat hopped on while I was at school, there’s nothing I could do about it. I’d come home to find the cat there and the temp high. I was a child at the time and shared my bedroom, no one else would keep the cat off, and the door wouldn’t stay shut because other people would leave it open or open it. If my family had given a bit more of a shit it wouldn’t have been an issue, but a lot of things wouldn’t have been an issue if my family had given more of a shit
>>3023010Yea if you'd smacked him good enough, he'd quit hopping up there.
>>3023012>>3022685>>3022669Can we not turn this into another shitty cat-hate thread? There's like 5 going on already.
>>3023149I think my boa has the retardation. He'll sit in his hide on the cool side until I take him out. When I put him back in he finds the basking spot again and sits there for a couple hours. He doesn't seem to go find it on his own.
>>3023154How are the ambients? Since it warmed up my boas are mostly ignoring the warm side. House ambient 75, cage ambient 80-85 depending on time of day. Figure they just feel like it's warm enough throughout, they've been eating and pooping normally. Don't see them soaking ever, so likely isn't uncomfortably warm either.
>>3023165>How are the ambients?Cool side seems to be 80-83 most of the day. House temp is like 73-72 at night. Have it set to max of 83 during day. It's a little concerning that he hasn't pooped yet
>>3023173Jesus 83 85 is pretty high for a cool side. How hot is his hot side and basking spot?
>>3023175>83 85I said 80-83?hot side ground is more like 83-85, there's an elevated basking spot at about 90
>>3023173dunno then. I measure ground level ambients, so warm side is set to 90-95 and the floor of the tub heats up enough to make it 80-85 at ground level on the cool side. Only running belly heat, so I think they tend to climb when they want to cool off. Tempgun puts the raised surfaces in the mid to high 70s.Looks to me like their summer behavior is occasional trips to the hot spot at night when my AC is running and they're digesting, but their whole floor heats up enough for them to digest happily during the day. And they find a perch when they want to cool off and/or beg for food. Also so they can make as much possible mess by shitting from on high.
Hey couldnt find any helpful places online and came here lol, but im thinking of getting a pacman frog. I plan on feeding it nightcrawlers since crickets die easy and i dont wanna have to order dubia roaches and take the time to breed them and what not, and i heard mealworms could eat through the insides so it seems nightcrawlers are my only option. How many would i need to feed it a day and how would i keep the soil moists and keep the humidity at the right level? Pls and thanks
>>3023669Nightcrawlers are fine but you need to offer some variety for your frog to be optimal health. If your frog is a baby when you first receive it, make sure to cut the nightcrawlers down to smaller pieces.>i dont wanna have to order dubia roaches and take the time to breed them and what notThis is extremely easy. Check out youtube tutorials. >i heard mealworms could eat through the insides so it seems nightcrawlers are my only optionThis is a myth. They can, however, bite your frog if left loose in the tank. Offer them in a smooth sided shallow bowl to prevent escapes. Superworms work exactly the same way.
>>3023669>>3023692>dubia colony>super easy This, I had a relatively large colony for my mangrove monitor and it was dead simple. I had a large tub (something like 44-50 quarts, can't remember the exact size), put some egg trays in the one side, with a bowl for food and a bowl for water on the other side. Got one of those heatmats for seedlings that max out at around 85F without the use of a thermostat (though there's no reason you couldn't use a heatmat and a thermostat if you have those lying around). Food I got off eBay, and I used miracle grow water crystals so that they wouldn't drown. Not gonna lie, kinda miss them, they were adorable. Some got out of my monitors feeding dish and somehow made a small colony inside his enclosure.
>>3023722>>dubia colony>>super easy>this
>>3023692I would get roaches if my local stores had them but i doubt they do and im sure the websites that your order them from charge alot for shipping
>>3023989bro just put roaches in a tub, feed them, water them, keep them warm, and they'll make more.
>>3023989This >>3024067It's dead simple and really hard to fuck up
I want a cute booper noodle ;_;
>>3024081Well why not get one?
>>3024067>>3024076I was pointing out that the way he used greentext almost always implies disagreement, and then he agreedI wasnt saying dubias are difficult
>>3024085Landlord is terrified of snakes and there's no reasoning with her.
>>3024087You could always pay some cholos to solve that problem
>>3024091Landlord is an in-law.No cholos taking out family, that's just messed up.Is all good though, in a few years I'll be moved into a house and can have literally whatever I want. Right now I'm just whining and wish I had a friend with a snake so I could hold one.
>>3024087just hide them/don't mention themI don't tell my landlord about like 8 out of my 10 herps
Going to be moving out soon, and have always wanted a pet. Would it be a terrible idea to get a ball python given that I'll have to be apartment hunting with one and I believe they may be illegal in my city
>>3024108>illegal in my cityWhere are bps illegal?
>>3024115Google says they are probably illegal in NYC, though there are conflicting opinions on whether or not the rule applies to balls or only bigger snakes, and any links to government websites are dead.
>>3024116>NYCWhat a shit hole
>>3024119Don't I know it
>>3024120I'd probably wait until you moved in to get a snake or other pet. Will be easier on all parties
>>3024125thanks for the advice, I'll do that
>>3024128Though I would say it's not with missing out on one you love. If youve found one you can't live without, grab it and just do your best to make the move non stressful.But again if not, might as well wait
>>3024135>not withNot worth
>>3024105No cry Levi, I'll take you out when I get home :(
>>3024210Anon why is your camera covered in Vaseline
>>3024216Don't ask questions you don't want answers for.
>>3024116>probably illegal in NYCAlways check with your local fish & wildlife to get an answer straight from the source if you're not sure and google kicks up a bunch of equally confused posts on plebbit etc. Also ask for clarification on legal species while you're at it. Most common colubrids should be okay in NYC as far as I can tell from a goggle skim.
>>3021013Posting this fellow Texas anons.https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/for/6889474496.html
Why the fuck are pvc cages so overpriced? I could buy the tools to make this and all the materials for less myself, and then I wouldn't have to pay any shipping. Normally whatever you're buying, while more expensive than the cost of production, is still less expensive than if you were forced to buy it yourself. Ex. toaster There's just no reason to buy these cages thoughI feel like once I finish moving I might as well start making these damn things and selling them since once I've got the tools I could make them for 100-200 dollars and sell them for 100 cheaper than current market price
>>3024371>100-200 dollars and sell them for 100 cheaper than current market priceGo for it man
Got a couple potential hides for my guys. Gonna do the bleach bath this weekend
>>3024387>bleach bath this weekendI though you were just supposed to bake it
>>3024388Either or will work. I just got a new oven recently and don't really feel like baking wood in it yet
>>3024388>I though you were just supposed to bake itThere are a few options available. Boiling, baking, and diluted bleach soak. If using bleach soak you need to soak once or even twice in clean water afterwords to remove the bleach. >>3024371Why the fuck are pvc cages so overpriced?No mass market reptile supply companies make them. That's why. Why they don't is a mystery. Fucking Zoo Med still make calcisand (safe for nothing and applicable for nothing) so I dunno. All of the PVC tank companies are small to medium sized, only a couple keep a meaningfully large inventory to fill orders immediately upon receipt of payment. They're also not using efficient assembly line process, still use a lot of manual labor.
>>3024371i thought the same and turned out I couldn't get the PVC cheap enough to make it economical unless I bought enough to start my own business.Buying enough sheet PVC for one cage was literally more expensive than just buying the cage.
>>3024479I’ve seen others do builds using pvc they got for very cheap, where were you getting yours?
>>3024502Called several plastic suppliers and hardware stores.Cheapest I could find was around 250$ for a 4'x8' sheet.
>>3024507>250$ for a 4'x8' sheet.Jesus fuck
>>3024509For good quality 1/2" thick PVC. Which is what you get from Animal Plastics and most others.i mean, if you can find it cheaper go for it. I spent a day off calling everyone local who might supply the shit and searching online.I suspect if you know someone who can get you wholesale cost it'll be economical.
>>3024520Mate I did some googling and within seconds found 1/2 inch PVC at 12" x 24" for $30. Why the fuck would 48 x 96 be $250? $30 x 4 is $120.
>>3024551check shipping costs on 4' wide sheets
>>3024507Check out other similar materials. Like HDPE would work just as well and I think it's cheaper. Also, check the prices on thinner stock. For some materials half the thickness of stock is LESS than half the price of its double; eg, 1/4" less than half the cost of 1/2". Bonding plastic together is very easy so you can double it up no problem. Or, you can go the route I took and build wooden enclosures using vinyl to water seal the inside. That is waaaaaaay cheaper.
>>3024551Wait, if I bought the amount of 12"x24" sheets necessary to equal a 4x8 sheet, it'd be $480What the fuck reeeeeeeee
>>3024551also uh math48x96 would be 2 of those wide by 8 of those long, so $30x16 = $480 if it scaled 1:1
>>3024556yeah, I did check those options and honestly they weren't enough cheaper to justify not buying kits with all the cuts and routing done and just ready for screws and sealant to be applied.aside from the wood, that's a legit option that's super cheap.
>>3024561God fucking damn I feel stupid Why is PVC so expensive? HDPE or wood it isIs resin a good longterm way to waterproof the inside of a wood enclosure? How do you get that nice, shiny, polished and beautiful look on wood?
>>3024573oooh shit son, it isn't 4x bigger, its 4x4 times bigger, 16 times biggerI cant believe I was put in advanced math classes as a kid
>>3024573>Is resin a good longterm way to waterproof the inside of a wood enclosure?Yes. It's expensive though. Vinyl/linoleum flooring is significantly cheaper.
>>3024573>How do you get that nice, shiny, polished and beautiful look on wood? As for this, have fun going down the rabbit hole of epoxy or spar varnish boat finishing on youtube. There is a lot.
Would you ever get an Asian Water Monitor?
>>3024620Nah that's a little too much for me. I think the only semi-large herp I might want to keep one day, if my housing setup/property allowed sufficient space for, is a sulcata tortoise.
>>3021013>check in boa>in his cool side hide again>check temp>79>pull him out and let him scoot around a bit>put him back in and he immediately goes for the basking spotREEEEEEEEEE IF YOU'RE COLD THEN JUST GO WARM UP YOU DON'T NEED MY PERMISSION
>>3024646Does he dislike his hot spot hide? If they are different, maybe try putting the exact same kind of hide on the hotspot and placing him near it
>>3024646It also could be that every time you take him out you're putting him an environment significantly cooler than 79 degrees - he was totally comfy at 79, but then at whatever temp your house is he cooled a bit, so when you put him back he goes to heat up before returning to the comfy temp of 79
>>3024650this isn't unlikely. Boas have a huge geographic range, a lot of which is warm temperate/subtropical where temps in the 70s are normal. He knows he got a hot spot, he'll use it.
>>3024649>Does he dislike his hot spot hide?Maybe. They aren't the same so I might try that. Picky little turd.>>3024650I kinda thought about this, but I figured him sitting in my hands would make the warming effect greater than the cooling to thr ambient air, maybe I'm under estimating that though.
>>3024646Stop being a helicopter parent. They're quite capable of thermoregulating as needed on their own.
You guys say dubia roaches are easy but i read it takes months for them to breed. Not gonna spend a bunch of money on roaches just to wait for them to breed. Go ahead and make up an excuse to get them anyway or some shit. When i had my gecko i heard the same shit, breed this and that but he was fine on mealworms and every now and then some butter worms, he didn’t need crickets or anything else he grew to full size off meal worms
>>3024720>he was fine on mealworms and every now and then some butter worms, he didn’t need crickets or anything else he grew to full size off meal wormsNo, it's not about growth rate. Mealworms, butterworms, supers, and wax worms are all high in fat. Feeding them exclusively will lead to obesity in your gecko, put them at risk for fatty liver disease, and will likely shorten their lifespan. Insectivores need variety to maintain healthy nutrition. This means dealing with at least three different types of bugs. If you cannot manage this, get a snake or an herbivore. Don't be lazy. And don't brush it off with the 'never had a problem' dismissal.
>>3024217Ah, the old DIY colonoscopy
>>3024116just move to LI and commute instead. cheaper rent as well as you get your bp. NY in general still sucks since all large python species are banned
>>3024556>wooden enclosures Based. Built 2 2'x4'x2' for about $150 together. And bonus is you can easily add shelving and stuff inside if you want stuff for your guys to climb on. >>3024573I used fiberglass resin when I built my monitors enclosure and it worked great. He never scratched through any of it. I think the canister I used was only like $20, and then buying the cloth for the corners was only a couple bucks. But on my snake enclosures I just use water based polyurethane since they don't claws or anything and I'm not making them bioactive. >>3024577Have you tried putting heattape underneath vinyl flooring? I saw a couple guides for making your own enclosure do that and was wondering if it worked okay. Was worried about not giving it any air on one side, but I guess you could drill a bunch of holes underneath it so it can breath. >>3024579Yeah at some point you just have to jump in and bite the bullet. I painted the inside of my enclosure and then used fiberglass. Looked pretty decent.>>3024651This, I ended up having to change my room temp for my one BCI (in pic). He wouldn't use the hot side if it was around the 90F recommended by all the guides i saw, so had to drop the basking spot down to 85F. Now he uses both sides pretty regularly. >>3024720I found a local breeder off craigslist and bought a lot for like $30, threw them in the 44-50 quart tub with the egg trays, food dish and water dish like I said before and never ran out. They breed like crazy. Itll probably take a long time if you go and start with one of those "25 dubia roach starter kits" i see at shows. I was feeding my mangrove monitor everyday roaches (along with other stuff for varied diet). If you run out of roaches with a couple animals, you are doing something wrong. I'm convinced if I gave my monitor free access to the bin that they would still out reproduce him before he could put a considerable dent in the colony. Might still have pics of them.
>>3024870Pic related is Original colony I bought
>>3024687While I probably am hovering some, the other anon had a point about the hide. He could be prioritizing security over warmth, which isn't ideal. Worth a shot changing it to see if it changes his behavior
I was considering getting a western hognose and was wondering how long do they typically stay on pinky mice before moving up? I don't want to get too many in case it starts outgrowing them before I run out
>>3025056My boi is on pinky rats and he's a "fully grown" male.
I have a small siren I found in a pond What is the best food to feed these slippery tube dudes? Anything in particular I need to know?
this stupid fucker keeps launching herself in hopes that she'll stick to the walls
also I think this is a female but im not sure
>>3024861>Have you tried putting heattape underneath vinyl flooringNo, i haven't tried that. For the area heat tape will be attached to i have just used a 1/4" piece of plywood instead of the 1/2" used for the remainder. Heat penetration is no problem.
>>3025212This can be inconsistent when they're this young but from the pic here i agree female is the likely sex. No bead scale (bump) visible on this side of the vent. Once they're older you can feel them, the beads are small bumps about the size of a bearing ball to the left and right directly behind the vent; if present you have a male. No beads = female.
>>3025095Why would you use rat pinks instead of adult mice?
>>3025239Because he has always refused mice for me, but will eat rats just fine. I'd love to switch him over, but have tried for 2 years with no avail. >>3025221Yeah that's my current setup. Used underlayment as my bottom, which is something like 1/8" thick. Was just wondering if anyone has tried it that way, since then I wouldn't have to run it as hot to heat the area.
>>3024783Well mine never got obese, he was healthy and moved fast when it was feeding time. I think its a myth that they need crickets or roaches to live on everyday
>>3024631>tfw there is a turtle and tortoise sanctuary 10 minutes from my house loaded with sulcatas for adoptionPity I live in an apartment with a patio. Definitely grabbing one when get a house again.
>>3025340plz go get us photos of the good bois
>>3024818I was thinking about just hoping I don't get busted, as most online sources say it's not a big deal
>>3021013anyone in the Atlanta area recommend a good pet shop for live rats/ supplies Just moved in for a summer internship and need to feed my girl hopefully by Sunday.
>see blue eyes on snake >realize its shed time >do what snake discovery does with keeping aspen beeding and giving humidity when needed. >i usually also give her a warm bath or two during this time. >check on her after two days giving her the first bath, but still havent added the humid hide. >mfw she had a perfect shed. second time this had happened, her tank is usually in the mid 40s so i guess its pretty ok for her.
>>3022202i enjoyed 50/50 for my ball, but i moved over to aspen because like i said here >>3025550 im getting much better sheds.
>>302259024hr min 48 to be safe
>>3024818come to jersey though we banned sales of turtles/tortoises and most natural morphs of corn snakes.
>>3025561>come to jerseyThat's bad advice for anyone man
>>3025561>though we banned sales of turtles/tortoises and most natural morphs of corn snakes.why?
>>3025645going to take a shot in the dark i guess muh salmonella
>>3021013How hard is it to successfully breed axolotls?My fiancé and I got one and I’ve bred multiple snake and lizard species before and still do, and I’m pretty interested in breeding these guys too. But I’m curious if anyone has input on breeding them. Any advice/insight is appreciated!
I was just googling som snake-related stuff and came across this humorous gem. I don't know about the quality of the article otherwise, but that picture sure looks like a rattlesnake to me, and not a bullsnake which the article is about.
>>3025759breeding axolots is easy, but there's not enough demand to get rid of the dozens of young you're getting
>>3025095Interesting. I was more wondering about the time scale it takes them to move up considering I'll need to order them all. I just don't want to waste a bunch of babies if my snake outgrows them
my emerald swift :))))))
>>3025988That's a dope lizard
>>3025988Goddamn look at that prickly boi. Beautiful
Last year didn't snake discovery say that the hybrid garters were a mistake and that they would make sure it wouldn't happen again? They just uploaded a video where they had hybrids again. Seems like a "oops, we didn't mean for that to happen ;) BUT LOOK HOW ADORABLE THEY ARE!"
>>3026032>have hybrid babies and feel it's a mistake at the time to create hybrids>through the care of the hybrid babies, see that they look fucking cool, and are the tamest garters so far >think these snakes have value on their own and are worth being sold>will now sell them CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY as a hybrid snake with anyone who purchases the snake knowing exactly what it is and where it came from I honestly don't see the issue, I think when you're a part of any group (such as 'reptile keepers') you end up absorbing random beliefs the majority of the group hold (or the beliefs that seem to be tied to the group), even if there isn't any good reason and you may not truly believe it. Joining a group or subculture is a process of gaining many new interests, opinions, and beliefs, and then slowly shedding the ones that you dont actually hold but simply picked up automatically. Emily is just shedding her default opinion of 'hybrids bad'
>>3026042No I totally get that, I'm just afraid Emily is turning into one of those people where looks are primary. The first time was a happy accident, but then what if she starts experimenting with other locality breeding, and end up with the issue of jungle x jaquar issues. Hybrids aren't always an issue, like the ones she had previously, and some species of boas, but a lot of unforeseen consequences can arise from purposely mixing different types.Anyone who is 100% against hybridization is retarded because it happens occasionally in nature and new localities/types are formed perfectly fine.
>>3025659for the turtles yes the corn snake is because there a endangered species in the state so i guess its to ensure only captive ones are sold at shops. pretty sure a lot of states have limitations on endangered species.
>>3026107>for the turtles yesJUST WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS GOD DAMN IT
>>3026071eh the reason she likes the hybrids seems more to be that they're tame and healthy and good eaters, with looks being secondary.Plus I don't get the issue with hybrids anyway, as long as you're not producing an animal that's unhealthy or lying about what it is.
>>3025830Yeah that's a rattlesnake.
>>3026032I laughed at this
>>3026170Though tired of this shit. It may be innocent but it's happened more than once and feels a little like subtle shilling.
>>3026175Its the one thing I find distasteful about her, the political stickers and signs all over the place. She knows tons of kids watch her.
What's better to heat arboreals, top down heat or bottom up heat? I just read from someone that the canopy has lot of air movement, making it actually cooler than the ground - the canopy insulates the lower part of the trees and jungle floor creating a warm pocket. This person heats the entire floor for their Amazon tree boas and has multiple levels of perching upwards, getting cooler as you rise. Does this seem legit to you guys?
>>3026268seems legit to me. Having a warm bright spot at the top on one side and a cooler darker top on the other side is probably good too, to simulate sunny spots and shaded areas.
>>3026175>>3026179>breaking news: democrat is a hypocritical lying piece of scumwoow
>>3026364That's a creepy looking fucker
>>3026364this guy is low rating your fits on /fa/
>get ball python a couple months ago>fairly bitey>let her settle in for a month or so and get a couple feeds before beginning handling>begin routine>feed every sunday, handle every tuesday and friday>continued this routine for about a month>still really tetchy and bitey when I handle her, completely hates any hands>must wear glove because she will tag at least twice every time i reach into her enclosure>what do?temps and humidity are pretty swell I believe, 33 centigrade in the hide using a heat mat, steady 55% humidity with occasional extra sprays to bump it up sometimes, especially around shedding time.I thought she'd get better, but she actually seems worse the last couple days, just striking constantly when I have her on my lap, and even on the hand shes sitting on sometimes
>>3026410>, 33 centigradeGot a cool side with a hide right?
>>3026410Also forgot to mention in that post, she is so tetchy she wont eat food on tongs. She will instead snap at it and tag it as if I'm waving my hand at her. She will hiss heavily at it. I have to push some aspen out of the way and lay the mouse on the bottom of the enclosure and put a blanket over the enclosure so that she is hidden. (She eats every time I do this, she doesn't food strike, she just likes her food given in a specific way)>>3026420Yeah, other side has a hide and is usually around 27ish. She'll move over there at night time sometimes.
>>3026424some are just aggressive by naturecull her and get a calmer one
>>3026424Hmm that really defensive for a bp. Where do you get her?
>>3026534Pet store, called Petsathome in the UK. To be fair, the snake people there all owned snakes themselves and seemed to know their stuff so I wouldn't expect my girl was treated badly, but you never know I guess
>>3026561club over the head will do
>>3026572sad but true
>>3026572>>3026443>>3026424Honestly if you got a BP for the calm personality, I would rehome her (be honest about her behavior). She’s a recent addition, I don’t see there really being an obligation to keep her. As long as her new home meets her requirements she’ll be just as comfortable.
>>3026588shit aggressive bp shouldnt breedonly way to make sure is a crack in the headchange my mind
>>3026600Ball pythons can make good pets while aggressive for the same reasons other aggressive species of snake are still desired
>>3026608not as good as a tamed BPclub -> head
>>3026654Some people are much less interested in handling their snakes and care more about the act of owning them or the satisfaction of providing care, giving these animals an opportunity to experience life, their deathIf anyone is willing to purchase a ball python outright stated as highly aggressive, this proves that the animal has value to someone enough for them to continually give resources to the animal. Removing the animal from existence is then removing a desired product from existence for no reason
>>3026661Pretty sure anon is just trying to get a emotional reaction
>>3026661>>3026665not gonna lie my dudesthere is no benefit in them being aggressiveyes, some dont care about handling, but they dont need to handle the tame onesall you get by keeping the aggressive ones is selecting for this feature and bringing more aggressive bp in the world only a few people will care for [and those people mostly just dont care, and are not specifically looking for aggressive ones]it's the responsibility to always breed for good and healthy traitsyou cant neuter a bp, so culling to make sure the aggressive ones get selected out of the genepool is the right thing to do.otherwise you'll end up with a bunch of hard to rehome aggressive bp which will end up under shitty conditions somewhere just to get rid of them in the end you being emotional about it and not liking it, doesnt change this fact
>>3026672You could also simply care for it and not breed it, ensuring it won't be bred, and recognizing the value of its existence and life, especially considering the fact its a baby and could still tame down
>>3026676>giving it away>ensuring it wont be bredwell, choose oneyou guys told anon to rehome itno one can be sure what the new owner is gonna do, and i wont trust any lowbudget snake keeper for shitsselective breeding is valuing the merit of the whole of the bred animals over the undesirable traits of the single oneofc the club to the head is just shittalk, it should be killed humanelyif he decides to keep it and not breed it, fine aswell i guess, still stupid to keep an agressive animal, if you planned on handling it
>>3026672You don't have to breed your snakes man
>>3026687>you could care for it>giving it away reading comprehension isnt your strong point And then I secondarily argued that being able to sell the aggressive snake at all proves that a snake like that has value to people, so it has a purpose for existing
>>3026693you faggot lack reading comprehensionyou guys told him to rehome itye selling a snake lower priced with specially calling it out for being aggressive sure proves its "value"you are a retard moralist, which feeds straycats and deteriorates highquality bred animals with his low iq stance on """value of life""" for a domestic kept animalthrow it into the jungle if you need to, it still has no real purpose for keeping as a pet of anysortssome gay retard taking it out of pity for half the price and having a shitty ass pet till it finally dies, doesnt prove shit
>>3026654I don't care how "aggressive" (read: defensive) a snake is, I'm gonna do what I can to tame it out, or leave it alone. I have, and always will have, enough snakes that I don't care if one or two are unhandleable. Especially one so inconsequential as a ball python.With time, a defensive bp can come around, it's not reason to cave its skull in. You're just lazy and impatient.>>3026672>all you get by keeping the aggressive ones is selecting for this feature and bringing more aggressive bp in the worldUnless...get this...you don't breed the defensive ball python! Woah, mind=blown. Not breeding a snake is just as effective as culling it when it comes to breeding more defensive bps. Many breeders either don't have that much of an issue rehoming unwanted babies, or are perfectly capable and willing to keep a few odd non-breeding individuals.Also, this is all assuming it's even possible to breed for personality traits in snakes, which I find hard to believe.
>>3026698SighMe telling him to rehome it is irrelevant to my argument against you saying it’s -necessary- to cull it to prevent it breeding. I am approaching the two separately.I then go on to argue a different point - that it being aggressive isn’t even a problem that needs to be bred out of ball pythons because aggressive ball pythons are still desirable to people alongside tame ones
Hey, what snakes won’t get longer than 2ft in the first year of life? What are some slow growing snakes/snakes that stay quite small for awhile?
>>3026701>Unless...get this...you don't breed the defensive ball python! Woah, mind=blownim not saying cull it, if you gonna keep it either waybut giving it away, i wont trust the next retard to not breed it, then i would choose the cullingim not on my home pc right now so no link, but there are some articles or books cant remember on personality traits in snakes
>>3026707no one is choosing an aggressive onethey just dont care, they wont care having a tame one eitherand tame ones work for allso stfu with your stupid talk of aggressive ones having a place as domestic animal in the first place
>>3026707>my argument is irrelevant to what im actually acting after and telling people to donice
>>3026712The sand boas are small
>people are actually feeding into the shitposter's anticsI'm disappointed in you /herp/
>>3026731>>3026721My argument was a response to what you were saying, and what you were claiming. I am pointing out why you are wrong. It’s incorrect that it’s necessary to cull an animal to prevent breeding, and it’s incorrect that aggressive ball pythons serve no function.My advice to the guy with the BP is to sell itThese two are not contradictory Kill yourself so we can prevent your genes from spreading
>>3026714Nah, still doesn't justify randomly killing a snake. Again, most defensive babies outgrow it, and adults can generally be tamed out with time and care.An animal being afraid is no reason to kill it.
>>3026741>"randomly">is aggressive>culling is """"randomly""""lol
>>3026738>it’s incorrect that aggressive ball pythons serve no functionbut they dont and youve proven with no point otherwise
>>3026712sand boa as mentioned. Rosy boas don't really get much over 3ft. Garter snakes grow pretty quick but stay smallish overall.Western hognose snakes are short and chubby. Pueblan milksnakes are another small colubrid.Most of the ones I mentioned do get over 2ft but don't grow bigger than like 30-40" and all are easy to keep.
/herp/ i am gonna try and make a waterfall feature in my boa enclosure. Would an inline filter coupled with mesh over the intake be enough to stop the inevitable poop from ruining everything?Also how would I safely disinfect it? Planning to make it removable and position it so if he poops from on high like he likes to do it it won't generally fall in.
>>3026745If someone is willing to purchase the animal, that means it serves a function for them, that they consider it worth whatever they paid for it. The money they spent could have been spent on near infinite other options, yet they chose to purchase the snake, for whatever reason. The snake fulfills some desire for them that they prefer fulfilling to other desires. The snake they purchased for whatever reason met criteria for them above other options or was equivalent to other options. That anyone would purchase it shows it has utility to someone.
>>3026771i told you several times why this is bullshit you are talkingyou're boring me, read messages above, smoothbrain
>>3026732The bait is adaptive
>>3026784If you cant understand what Im saying and you think that the reasons you outlined are the only ones or that they are invalid, you are sub 100 IQ. Even if other ball pythons can have the same utility, not all ball pythons are available to all people at the same time, in the same location. For any person interested in a ball python there is always a limited available number around them, available at limited times, and having multiple potential options that all fill the same role for you is not redundancy, it is the option of choice rather than being constrained to one potential ball python. Culling this ball python removes a potentially desired product from people and is always a waste. Also there are definitely people who specifically want a strikey asshole snake because they think it's cool. You and I think that's fucking dumb,but that doesn't matter. Those people exist, aggressive easy to care for non dangerous snakes appeal to those people. so those ball pythons serve a purpose still. You seem to think your preferences, priorities, and your ideas of what would be valid reasons for you to buy something are universal.
>>3026760Don't. They're a nightmare to keep clean.
>>3026799Anon he's baiting you. Just let it go.
>>3026799>"desired product"ayy>there are definitely people who specifically want a strikey asshole snakeyes, niggers wanting to be intimidating by having a shit petthose are btw almost 100% unable to properly care for the animalbut those roasting the snake cuz theyre too dumb to get temperatures right is sure more humane then clubbing itget a grip, anon. youre ridiculous
>>3027202>it is impossible for someone to be edgy and want a strikey snake and care for it correctly >killing an animal because it doesn't fit what I desire or think should breed is fine, but someone else treating an animal in the way they desire is not fine
>>3026364Is that an alligator?Adorable!
>>3025056I kept my boy on pinkies and just feed him 2 at a time. He’s still at a good weight, is active, and I don’t notice any issues. I also read that it’s better to feed them a couple of smaller mice than one larger one due to the higher fat content in bigger ones.
>>3027637That's backwards. The younger ones have higher fat, and less developed bones. For most species its best to feed less, larger meals. But I have heard that hognoses do better when feed a smaller rat/mouse every 5 days rather than a larger one once a week because of their metabolism.
>>3027234>someone to be edgy and want a strikey snakemassive red flag when selling an animal tbqhwy fmlmbp are known for their calm character, so this is the major selling point, if you want a bitey bitch get a green tree pythonit's like saying people want chihuahuas to be big dogs for sheperding sheepfucking get a shepherd dog then and dont fuck up pure bred animals, you fucking moralist mongoloid
>>3027661I do have him feeding every 5 days. I’ll probably switch to larger ones now that you tell me that though.
>>3027682>I have an opinion of what is good in an animal and if you disagree you are wrong, I also have strong opinions on how to treat animals that are not-good and you cannot disagree or you are wrong>reee stop moralizing!
>>3027682>if you want a bitey bitch get a green tree pythonEven green trees are fairly agreeable if you're mindful of their limited patience and don't try to yank them off their perch. If you want something pissy then your best bet is an emerald tree boa, white lipped python, or an amethystine python.
>>3027729its just that you are in fact wrong and i am right, sorry to burst your bubble there
If I handle my sand boa every day, even if he's a cunt and tried to bite me every day, will he eventually get tame?I swear to fucking god this fucker who dumped him on me is going to pay
>>3027873Gentle and frequent handling will bring him around eventually yeah, but daily handling will just cause stress for the animal.
>>3027769Theres nothing inherently wrong with defensive snakes. Many people treat their snakes akin to fish and dont handle them unless necessary since the snakes generally prefer that if their enclosure is proper.Then theres venomous snakes which even if you have the most mild mannered snake on the planet it is to be treated like it will swing around and nail you at any momentI can understand why some people wouldnt want a snappy snake(My gf returned one of my snakes without my permission because of how snappy it was) but it can even be a tad fun dealing with a rowdy snake honestlyIm not even the anon youve been bickering with for however long its just quite short sighted to think that because you see an animal that doesnt want you messing with it letting its desire be known is a bad thing for everyone
>>3027922>My gf returned one of my snakes without my permission because of how snappy it wasAnd you stayed with her? Who he fuck gets rid of another person's pet without asking?
>>3027922>My gf returned one of my snakes without my permission because of how snappy it wasSo did you burry her somewhere in the desert? Or are you a leaf?
>>3027939>Or are you a leaf?Canada surprisingly enough has a desert so he could accomplish that even as a leaf.
>>3027941>Canada surprisingly enough has a desert so he could accomplish that even as a leaf.I just mean "or are you a turbo cuck"
>>3027944I kinda figured, I just wanted to be a shitter.
>>3021013This absolute unit sitting in the road
>>3027954He looks like he's seen some shit.
Found this little dude down in south Georgia. Burrowed under some leaves after he saw me
>>3027922Leave your whore
>>3027922I get that you're trying to make a point to the other anon but I gotta be honest with you chief, your girl getting rid of one of your animals without consulting you because of what she thought on the matter strikes me as a massive red flag in your relationship. Her not even bothering to ask you about what you wanted to do with what is essentially your property when you not only had the potential to fix it but probably weren't really at risk just smacks of a lack of respect.
>people have gone from telling the retard shitposting about killing snappy snakes to fuck off to telling another anon that his GF is a cuntYou people never fail to amuse.
>>3028315>you peopleYou’re not any different pal, you’re here
>>3028317I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, I just think it's funny.
I put your food in your dish you smug cunt, just eat it already.
>>3028335But anon that would make it too easy. Your frustrated hair pulling at his indecisiveness is integral to his fine dining experience.
>>3028335You know, I never considered putting a food dish inside my snake enclosures. That's actually pretty clever.
>>3027941I thought this was bullshit until I looked it up. Now I'm sad at the fact that a good chunk of the native fauna out there are vulnerable or endangered.
>>3028343My hognose is retarded and won't eat unless I put the mouse on something and leave the room. Have tried getting him to switch to tong feeding for 4 years but just gets pissy and then will refuse to eat outright. If I put in on one of his hide? Nope, won't eat. Put it on the ground in front of him? Nope. Tuck it in the corner so he can eat in peace? Nope. Only if I put it on like an upside down water dish or something like that he will eat it. >>3028340I knew the first child is usually the one that gives you the most trouble, turns out it's the same when you have snakes.
>>3028360Kek. Your hogger sounds like a brat.
>>3028365He is, but he's cute so I forgive him.
>>3028381It's hard to stay mad when they look and act so goofy.
I had no idea how fast baby rats grow, now a few of the ones I got for my snake are way too big and I have to rehome them, these dudes have doubled in size Guess this is a reason to gas em right away
Fuck, my african clawed frogs laid eggs and now i have dozens of tiny tadpoles sitting on everything. They're in the clinger phase where they don't swim, must be only a few hours old cause I didn't even see them last night. Didn't even get to witness my frogs lay eggs, or even see the eggs at all. What do? I wasn't prepared and don't have an extra tank. Hopefully they can outrun the adults and survive off of all of the copepods and detrius worms that swim around in my tank.
>>3028610Why would you even want to raise the tadpoles? Every fish store is overstocked with these frogs. Just let the adults eat them.
>>3028610>>3028614He can sell them on Craigslist for $5-$10 a baby
>>3028614>Every fish store is overstocked with these frogsMine aren't>Just let the adults eat themThat's what I'm assuming will happen. I'll just let them be, if any of them manage to survive and get big enough I'll net them out and put them with my guppies.
>>3028140frog! Or is that a toad?
New thread when we're done here lads>>3028367
>>3028640Looks to be a toad.
>>3028689It's so fucking cute. What's its care like?
>>3028606Newborn rats can outgrow a snake in a matter of days. Older, weaned rats, can outgrow a snake within a week. They only live 1-3 years, so they have to grow quick.
>>3021371What is this?
>>3031329cool af, thanks anon
>>3031329could this thing reproduce? like axolotls do without ever becoming a salamander?is this the new axolotl?where do i get one?
>>3031372Axolotls can mate the same way a developed salamander would. Frogs grab their partners, which a tadpole is unable to. They would have to adapt a new way to mate on the fly, similar to how fish do it.So no, it's not realistic that we could get the axolotl equivalent of frogs.