>Francis Galton noted in his landmark paper on domestication that seals were a spectacular example of an animal that would most likely never be domesticated despite their friendliness and desire for comfort due to the fact that they serve no practical use for humanswhy are we wasting our time domesticating foxes when seals are the next logical species to domesticate?
This. We don't need foxes, we already have dogs which were made for us thousands of years ago by our ancestors. Seals could serve a purpose like gathering shellfish and octopuses and fish. I can also see them as helping divers find wreckages and shit.
>>3001407What a fatty
>>3001419possibly as rescue for drowning people too
>>3001419>>3001574You people are not thinking outside the box. We could force seals to live inland and evolutionize legs.
>>3001407Literally more cushin for the pushin
Posadist seal domestication programs now
>>3001590So, like a dog?
>>3001407>when seals are the next logical species to domesticate?But they serve no practical purpose and are incredibly unhygienic for pets.
>>3001661>But they serve no practical purpose
>>3001661A hypothetical eskimo civilization would've domesticated their main sources of food.
>>3001677Carnivores are fundamentally nonviable as domesticated livestock
>>3001407couldnt they be trained to help fishermen or to find shellfish or something
>>3001695they're not really that smart desu, it would be more effort than it's worth.
>why are we wasting our time domesticating foxes when seals are the next logical species to domesticate?because foxes are like a cross between a cat and a dog
>>3001590That would take a few million years. And we'll Likely not be around for that.
I want a dog mermaid
>>3001407Name a single potential use for seal domestication that doesnt devolve into having sex with it.
>>3001407>why?Real answer: because their diet and environment are no economically feasible for the majority of people, so like all exotic pets only the rich who can afford to do so will have them and people who don't have the dosh to build them a partially-aquatic environment and feed them gallons of fish every day will just go without.
>>3001711Having sex with it.Wait, fuck.
>>3001707not really a million years, successful domestication of foxes shows it can be done in one's lifetime
But what about domesticating chocolate brothers?
>>3001612they are too pure to touch. just let them be. I am happy CANADIANS are going extinct. a people who would hurt these butifel sea dogues should burn in hellfire forever.
Seals are already domesticated. They do tricks in water zoos all over the world and are friendly as dogs.
>>3001667the russian navy has hit hard times
>serve no practical use for humansThat's 100% of all pets. Unless this idiot thinks farm animals and working animals are pets.
>>3001876pet doesn't even mean domesticated, see any fish reptiles or rodentsthe point is domestication which requires usefulness
>>3001701who said they arent smart?
>>3001835That's not what domestication means you dummb fuck
>>3002009What does it mean? Seal don't need to be "domesticated" because they're already harmless, friendly, and willing to obey commands.
>>3001933Didn’t know there were species this small
>>3001731Oh, I remember now, the Soviets dragged foxes out of the ocean and trained them until they grew legs.
>>3001407Is their any point in domesticating any new animals where we are now? We can mechanize tons of things and I don't think there's any product we need more of that would require the lenghty process of domestication. The foxes from that russian thing took like eighty years and they're still not all that domesticated iirc and have no purpose.
>>3001878>domestication which requires usefulnessGoldfish are considered domesticated
>>3001837Хa-хa, cyкa.Wait till our navy seals outperform yours!
>>3002288Goldfish = mosquito/pest control, food, nice to look atAnd a lot of peoples livelihood is based off of them and koi
>>3001933Fuck this is so wholesome !!!This shouldn't be allowed!
>>3001574They train seals and dolphins to attack swimmers in the navy.
>>3001933>open webm>see guy with a hammer standing menacingly I didn't expect it to go this way.
How the fuck would you make a seal habitat in your house? They're marine animals
>>3002856How would you make a fish habitat? I mean, they need water, that shit is IMPOSSIBLE
>>3001407Bro I cant have a giant pool in my backyard for my fat seal babies even though I want one. I would be asking myself “Is it right to have this animal confined to a tiny pool?” constantly, I mean its not like I could walk my seal. Then again, I could take my seal to the beach and have it play around, I doubt it would just swim away and leave if it were sufficiently bonded but I could be wrong. Holy shit though these things are beyond adorable, they are seemingly meant for belly rubs.>have big fat soft belly that is always on the ground and gets all dirty and itchy>little flipper hands cant reach all of its glorious fat surface>along come my dextrous human fingers to rubId be slapping my seals fat belly all day, it would be so distracting.
>>3002862Common aquarium fish require exponentially less space and food
>>3002892the forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest
>>3002892Calling it now.Pet seals are only for the rich crowd with beach front houses.
>>3002862>>3002892some seals spend over 75% of their life on land
>>3001707it takes so long normally because it's just nature doing work.this time they'll have humans helping out.it might take thousands of generations, but not millions of years
>>3002261The smallest, the Baikal seal, is smol AF and also the only freshwater seal
>>3001695Oysters, clams, and urchins and shit are mostly farmed.
>>3002809They need to train these thingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSWzBkllGkE
>>3002027There is a fine line between domestication and an animal being tamed. Domestication occurs after several generations of being near humans, and requires selective breeding for certain traits (like being friendly toward humans, or physical appearance). A tamed animal is just one that was taken from the wild and was trained to be comfortable around humans, but if it ever had young you would have to tame the young as well.In simpler terms, consider a 'tame' animal to be the first step to getting to a 'domesticated' animal.
>>3001683thistheres no point in raising a carnivorous animal if you're planning on eating it. You could just eat the meat it takes to feed it instead.
>>3003042god damn, leopard seals are actually horrifying
>>3001933You're not showing the whole video here and it's kinda misleading. He plays with the seal for a few minutes, but once he's done he axes its neck as part of the eskimo tradition. It does look more wholesome this way though.
>>3002249Hey anon, you may be wondering why you find this seal so attractive that you want to fuck it. Well the good news is you're not alone!According to several university studies, research has shown that men generally find larger eyes on women more attractive.The perceived attractiveness of larger eyes has led to a growing trend (especially in Asia) of women using cosmetics and contact lenses with larger limbal rings in an attempt to create the illusion of larger eyes. Many have even done this permanently through cosmetic surgery.>Why do men find larger eyes attractive?There seems to be two separate reasons which attempt to address the question. The first is that larger eyes (along with fuller lips, bigger breasts and smaller chins) are a sign of higher levels of estrogen. Women that have higher levels of estrogen will be more successful and have an easier time conceiving than women with lower levels. This means that women with larger eyes will be seen as a better ‘mate’.The second reason is that large eyes are a neotenous feature.>Neotenous ProtectionA neotenous feature is a characteristic of youth shared by babies and children that humans evolved to retain so they could attract quality mates with “protective and nurturing impulses”. A mate with protective and nurturing impulses would be more likely to help raise their offspring and raise reproductive success.Since human eyes do not grow in size during its development relative to the rest of the body, the size of the eye relative to the face decreases as we grow. This means that babies have larger eyes compared to older children and adults. As a consequence, people who have large eyes are often perceived to be younger than they really are. Since perceived youth of a mate is also a sign of fertility, men tend to prefer women with neotenous features, like large eyes.
>>3003400Is not wanting to fuck this seal proof that you are gay? Asking for a friend
>>3001407As other anons noted, one major isssue would be the feeding cost. However, we already have freshwater seals that are about as big as a medium-sized dog. Imagine if we selectively bred them down smaller so that they could subsist on smaller diets and swim in smaller pools.
>>3003398Fuck.... Anyone that actually plays with an innocent creature and then kills it in cold blood is a fucking psychopath.
>>3003427that other anon is lyinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kIE_NDBmcI>from google translation of description>Kroshik-Nerpa, who chose to live with people. The story of the Ladoga ringed seal began a year and a half ago, when a little imprint was found near the village of Sviritsa and members of the Pinniped Rehabilitation Center were leaving. After several months of treatment, the baby was released and released into Lake Ladoga. Once. And then a few more. But a few days later, the little seal always came back to the people.
>>3003429>>3001933>>3003014i wonder if they are so friendly because freshwater seals don't have any natural predators
water doggiesfat cinammon rolls filled with love and nice things
>>3002892A pet seal would probably be an amazing chick magnet. Just take your seal to the beach or local lake/pond and let him swim around.
>>3003374I was just thinking the same thingThis is the first time I've ever actually seen their head in a video, up close. That's some nightmare fuel
>>3003436It all depends on what the genetic background leads these creatures to do when they encounter a human for the first time.Other species of phocids do have natural predators, yet are, if not friendly, at the very least curious about humans. Elephant seal pups can be eaten by orcas but are completely fearless - like their massive adult males - around us. I'd rather say we don't look, smell, move and sound like their millennia-old enemies, so seals have no particular inherited fear of us, and would need to learn we can be dangerous the hard way.Meanwhile large, superpredator carnivores have no natural enemies either, but that doesn't make them as automatically friendly. Roe deer live where alpine ibex can also be found, the former stays the fuck out of humans even when they're used to them, the latter may not go to the excesses of seals, yet feels much safer and keeps a shorter distance. The ibex is a wild relative to the domesticated goat for that matter.We like to interpret the animal keeping the greater distance to be the wiser one, but aren't those species that, knowingly or not, strike a deal with the devil, and end up appealing to us and living with us, ensuring their own continued existence? Is an abandoned, starving seal pup's miserable begging of humans for food and care not a successful survival strategy, when the rescue center is ready to answer the call and its own kind has failed it?
>>3003042What the fuck
>>3003042That is not a real mammal, just a reptile cleverly disguised as one
where would the seal live tho? it'd be really cool just to have a glass wall filled with water for your seal pet yknow?
>>3003915honestly a small pool or natural swimming pool/pond would be better and probably cheaper
why should we bother with seals when we should form a pact with the octopus.I shall teach them to read and write
>>3004013Imagine if we engineered octopuses to have longer lifespans so that they are able to pass down knowledge to the next generation of lil octos
>>3004073problem isn't lifespan it's that they die after giving birth
>>3001933Look at this fatty nigger!!!! It's so ccuuuuuuuteee!!!!!I want to hold it too O________O
>>3001407Ought to domesticate CheetahsThey practically turn into kittens the moment they meet humansThe process must be completed
Why did seals get killed so much in the pastDid people have no morals?
>>3003917>ywn have squat seabull that SMASHES through the waves and SLAMS into the inky depths of the seawhy even live
>>3004338>Why did seals get killed so much in the pasttheir fur makes good coats and their large amount of blubber can be used for a variety of things, also you can eat the meat>Did people have no morals?yes
>>3002294Specially now that they're recruiting clownfish into their lines
How's seal milk?
>>3003042They look so fucking cool.
>>3004633Really really fatty, it has more fat content than any other animal.It probably tastes amazing
>>3004844>But with more than 60 percent fat, hooded seal milk would rival some of the richest Häagen-Dazs ice creams out there>in Isla de Guadalupe, feral cats, seagulls, and sheathbills have been observed stealing the milk directly from the teats of elephant sealsi think we're on to something
>>3003974thats not enough room. Seals can swim hundreds of kilometers a day and even further and come back to the same land spot. They get stressed when they can't just wander. A lot of "cute" seal behavior in aquariums are actually pinnipeds dealing with phobia.
>>3004867which seals? some freshwater seals aren't migratory
>>3003042Fuck that shit. It looks like it would fuck you up good.
>>3001590No no no. Check this out: NAVY. SEALS.
>>3003042>>3003374>>3005254cmmon now, dont be meanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmVWGvO8Yhk
>>3005507Here at 4channel, we take honesty, integrity, and unhyperbolic accuracy extremely seriously. I strongly urge you to refrain from libeling (without evidence) innocent anons in the future.
nothing like fresh clubbed seal in the morning
>>3001407Weird dog man
>>3005652day of rake can't come soon enough for you subhuman dog fuckers.
>>3001933so cute i w ant to kill myself
>>3005259>borbMore like gorb, unless you're a fish
>>3003408it makes u a pedo
Too bad seals have a bacteria in their mouths that causes flesh to rot. A bitten limb often must be amputated.
feels bad man.
>>3001933>make a hole in the ice>fat fluffy turd pops out to hang out with youI wish this could be me
>>3006811>must often be amputatedThis isn’t 1907, seal finger is easily treated with a couple days of antibiotics and the seals mentioned in this thread(freshwater) don’t carry that specific bacteria. Also it doesn’t cause flesh to rot.I hate this shitty meme
>>3001667why are their eyes so fucked?
>>3001667That's just regular slavs turned seals by soviet super science
>>3003042That looks nearly identical to the pier my dad lives on. It might actually be another pier in the same mariner, since odds are that video was shot in New Zealand and I highly doubt there's another mariner in the country that looks that similar.
>>3002852Same here.Too much browsing 4chan.
how the fuck are they so cute
>>3010842Wtf it'll just freeze now
>>3011418The pup was clearly too exhausted to get out of the hole by itself, they just helped him out
>>3011374>round >stubby limbs>short snoutsThey're like exaggerated puppies
>>3001735>I am happy Inuits are going extinctFixed that for you. They're allowed to club seals because "muh tradition". I wish they were going extinct though. We shouldn't have apologized to them and instead assimilated them.
>>3001590>The BoxIt would make sense to use them for water explorations and such. Why the fuck would you go against its genetic coding? It would be so slow and fat on land and probably be wiped out like the dodo
fuck leopard seals tho
>>3014026*ahem*I'm gonna say it
>>3004908There's only 1 kind of freshwater seal
>>3014234Think of the advertisers, anon.
>>3014249mr. seal is gonna say a gamer word
>>3001667awwwwwww they have little guns!
they are good boys and girls
>>3003042Thats the loch ness monster
>>3001731Canidae have a freaky high number of tandem repeats in their DNA that allows for greater physical changes over fewer generations. Pinnipeds do not have the same number of tandem repeats in their DNA so they cannot be selectively bred at the rate that canidae can.
>go on 4chan>get attracted to leopard sealsThat's it, I've hit the bottom of the barrel.
>>3010840he so comfy
>>3001667is this the cologese navy?
>>3014888>dem tripsReal seals or /trash/ seals?
>>3016113*plap* *plap* *plap* *plap* *plap* *plap*
>>3001726>Having sex with it.>>Wait, fuck.Updooted
>>3001933why does it look like hes doing this in the middle of the road?
>>3016664Why does he wear the mask?
>>3016744he's a big mandrill
>>3001667>Bomb has been defused
>>3016753If I take that off will he die?
>>3016703Literal niggers of the sea.
>>3016664holy shit what a cutie!
>>3016664I feel like there's very interesting context to this.
>>3001419Would prefer otters.
>>3003015Urchins are wild harvested from what I know. Still, you don't really need assistance to find them.
>>3014806That thing would just fuck your shit up so bad. It's like a raptor fucked a tiger.
>>3016664imagine the smell
>>3016942But it's just so cute!
As someone who does arctic research and have to frequently spends time there, I would love to have seals as research post doggos. Would work miracle on the morale and make months long research more bearable.
The walrus is the superior animal. Orphan baby walruses have a keeper around whose sole job is to hug them all the time. If they aren't hugging frequently they get stressed out
>>3014806Oh fuck it's the King engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nafwWMLkfFI >not wanting a pet elephant seal
Seals > Sea Lions also leopard seals are actaully sea lions
>>3003974I would domesticate those lil seals you posted if you catch my drift
>>3016664what is the source of this video
MOVE OVER MANLET SEALS
Why haven't they trained seals for search and rescue, item retrieval, or corpse discovery?
>>3017270I want to be a walrus hugger
would you pet it /an/?
>>3017756me and my wife
>>3015674He looks like he has information
Whats the warmest temperature you think an arctic seal has ever experienced? If I ever encountered one I would try to wrap it in a blanket or coat just so it can experience the feeling of warmth for the first time. Or maybe that would be awful because then it would likely never feel warmth again and then know what it is missing.
>>3016113I love how their only form of terrestrial locomotion is flopping
>>3017756I picked it from this videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw4Q5BGAXcMapparently it's some japanese madlad riding with animals in his car for some reason
>>3018886what a chill seal
>>3017417are they ? their morphology seems to fit seals more (can't "walk" by using their fins, etc...)
>>3018851They have thick as fuck blubber, even in subfreezing temperatures they're warm
>>3016765It would be extremely painful
>>3017397superior:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmw4lzjEqD8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxIf9egoJIMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBVFUZJmfCY>>3017417>Seals > Sea Lionsyes>also leopard seals are actaully sea lionsnope, they are in the tribe Lobodontini with crabeater seals, Weddell seals and Ross seals, all of which are Phocids, True Seals™
can you get seal finger from just about any seal? all these videos of people petting seals make me nervous
>>3014390Memes were a simpler time back then.
>>3020>>3020025What if they actually have a real language? What if d'egg means "you good?" "deeaaaugh" means "hey" "miuefgh" means "what's up" and the random screaming means "HEY"
>>3002852yeah thought this was going to be a snuff film. Was ready to close it
>>3014234FUCK ORCASAND FUCK GREAT WHITES
>>3016942What? It looks more like a fish fucked a dog. No idea what you mean.
>>3004606isn't it really bad to eat the meat because it's so lean?
>>3017401imagine that flipper jerking you off
honestly best /an/ thread this year
someone please save this man
>>3021211Wait a minute, that doesn’t look like a seal...
fucking horrifyingimagine you're snorkelling and your last livid moments are you being bitten and dragged into the abyss by a modern day aquatic dinosaur-like creature
>>3021438fuck that. even snorkeling with kinda big fish can be spooky
>>3021211Are manatees literally useless animals? What do they even do? It seems the purpose of their existence is to float around the ocean like obese underwater blimps. They appear to have evolved for relaxation, and nothing else.
>>3021519The apex of evolution
>>3021519Sounds like the most based animal ever
>>3021130not as long as you also eat blubber with it, which you will
>>3021519manatees don't really have any natural predators and they just eat water flora all day so they've evolved to be big bois
>>3006818probably a conbination of the fact they're pretty intelligent and curious, and humans don't resemble any prey or predators of theirs
>>3022487How the fuck do they not have predators? They're like floating buffets
>>3022504they're too big for all the predators that live near them
>>3001407From a pet prospective, they are large, smell bad, and require a big body of salt water. There would be a very limited number of people that could keep them
>>3022504they're massive and have thick tough skin and blubberany sharks or gator species they live around aren't big enough to make a dent in them. On rare occasions a croc might make off with a young pone, but thats about it.
>>3001667OPERATION: INFINITE WALRUShttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WtDNZOWz-Qg
>>3022508>they are large>smell bad>and require a big body of salt water.all wrong
>>3001876Well actually my shrimp colony is almost entirely for selective breeding experiments and ornamentation, but I sell them as well. Not domesticated, rather, exploited while looking great.
>>3022508Freshwater seals exist, they are also about the size of a medium/large dog.
>>3002799cute orb and neat fur pattern
>>3021211You're not allowed to touch the animals in these jobs right? Must be hell
>>3022680Have you ever been around a seal anon? They smell atrocious
>>3014206Leopard seals eat other seals. They are the Papau New Guineans of the seal species.
>>3021137they have claws...
>>3021519They figured it out.
>>3022508>>3022680>>3022683>>3022766Pinnipeds do tend to smell horribly because they defecate on the very beaches/ice where they rest, the greater the crowd, the worse the smell - still, living in captivity and in solitude or smaller groups might allow for superior hygiene, cleanliness and body odor.Anyway it is true that Baikal seals are somewhat reasonably-sized animals which don't need saltwater, being the only freshwater seals and the smallest phocids.
>>3004852>when your milkshake brings not only all the boys to the yard, but also brings all the feral cats and birds to the yard (and your teats)I need to see this on video.
>>3010840Imagine if hyper advanced aliens treated us like we treat cute animals, abducting us just to stroke our fuzzy little heads for a bit
>>3022504Are speedboats predators?
>>3023803Nope.Anyway, humans did hunt manatees ever since the indigenous peoples of America and the Caribbeans began using their meat and hides, then bones to make potions and sell them to museums. Hunting was banned in the US since the end of the 19th century but poaching continues into the current year.>The primary hunting method was for the hunter to approach in a dugout canoe, offering bait to attract it close enough to temporarily stun it with a blow near the head from an oar-like pole. Many times the creature would flip over, leaving it vulnerable to further attacks.Given how slow, big and weak to human assholery are manatees, it's amazing how only the Steller's sea cow was hunted to extinction, which happened because it was already a rare animal in immediate danger of extinction well before Europeans discovered it. It's even more notable when you think that the Steller's sea cow had a skin so thick that the very first attempts to harpoon it ended in failure.Just how in the fuck do the smaller species of sirenids even exist today? I guess >>3023240is right.
>>3024309>sell them to museums'them' as in 'bones'
Forget seals, they would be too difficult to keep as pets. I want domesticated red pandas.
>>3003471why would you ever want a chick when you have a pet seal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwBAfJXz7Yreal seal hours
>>3024708That and the infamous walruses falling off cliffs from Our Planet made me suspicious that pinnipeds are shit at handling height, they just can't wrap their brains around it.
>>3001407>why are we wasting our time domesticating foxes when seals are the next logical species to domesticate?The russians are already at it...
>>3024840me on the ice
>>3022508Elephants are pretty fucking big and have a high requirement of food yet some pajeets can afford having one or even several as beasts of burden.Then again, after thousands of years they haven't been really domesticated,only tamed.
>>3003423Harbour seals aren't that big really
>>3005426>>3005354>tfw no yandere leopard seal gf that tries to serve you fresh penguin meat like you were a baby, violently defends you from other leopard seals and threatens to maul you to death if you ever dare to leave or cheat her
>>3014206>>3014392They are like real sea serpents
>>3017771I can't decide if elephant seals are the pinniped jews or the pinniped anglo hooligans/norfs
Do seals have penises and how long are they. Asking for a friend. Also, where can you meet seals if you would want to, haha?
>>3011418It probably were canadian seal clubbers
>>3027069Definitely Norfs, they even body each other like that meme gif
>>3010443pure seal bby
Stupid bitch I love him
>>3003281>what is falconry
>>3027772>complaining about /pol/ on a board about a creatures ruled by pure darwinismLol
>>3027058I'm thinking more dachshund-size seals
>>3014026I mean, I'd rather cuddle them but if you say so.
>>3028799Good luck not being eaten
>>3028926I'll bring her penguins as a mating offer, she can't eat me if she's already full.
>>3027720falconry. Ah yes, the age old tradition of training falcons to make into nuggets.
>>3001590We've already got dog dogs, we need water dogs.
>>3001683That's why tuna and fox farms have died out worldwide.Fuck off Jared Diamond, you don't speak for humanity.
>>3004330Ditto for cougars and bearshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-wsQNT5b2Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtmQ_uddLK0
>>3023799Better than what they currently do.
>leopard sealsThey're so horrific that Antarctic penguins will just form a mass at the edge of the ocean until one of them falls in by mistake, leading to everyone else joining them. Penguins just won't swim solo because of those fucking seals. The side effect of being so focused on leopard seals is that they mentally can't grasp the idea that something on land could be a threat. The researcher who noted this found that no matter how many times he walked over to a particular penguin to grab it and perform tests/tagging/free hugs, it never learned to avoid him and acted shocked and frightened every time. Fear on land was like smelling purple--it was incompatible with how they were wired.
>>3029700>you can go up and hug a penguinBased
>>3005354>scientist was killed by a leopard seal in 2004yeah real cuties
>>3001407>no practical use for humansCan't you attach them to a raft like horses and just sail like that?
>>3003042>they didn't pet itdisappointing
>>3023799I'd be fine with that
>>3003042>it growls like a fucking movie dinosaurNOPE
Saimaa ringed seal is the best kind of seal. This is a fact
>>3004908all seals and all large predators roam aimlessly throughout the week, you can’t throw them in tanks or enclosures 1/100 the size of their range and assume its healthy for them. One of the defining features of very big predators which are close to or at the top of the food chain is having huge ranges which are jealously guarded against the appearance of even a single other member of their species or another apex predator. Seals, Orcas, dolphins all need huge amounts of space to be mentally healthy.
>>3033168I guess seal arms are too short for dabbing, yet this is fine too.
>>3033306>otaridsthis is a phocid thread
>>3004852Wait I thought birds couldn’t digest lactose. Do they just live with stomach pain or something?
>>3014206i am SO not okay with that picture