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The Plant General - Aizoaceae Edition

Welcome to /plant/, the happy green place on this blue board, where growers, gardeners and horticulturists share their love for things that grow.
Newbies and amateurs are very welcome, and we’ll always try to answer your questions.

Special Aizoaceae Edition, celebrating lovely Lithops, magical Mesembryanthemum, curious Caprobrotus, and many more besides. Tell us your favourite species, or show off the little ones you’ve been growing.

LINKS
>Royal Horticultural Society
https://www.rhs.org.uk/
>Dave's Gardening Tips
https://davesgarden.com/
>Cacti and Succulents
https://cactiguide.com/
https://worldofsucculents.com/
>Carnivorous Plants
https://www.carnivorousplants.co.uk/
>Orchids
http://www.orchid.org.uk/orchids_for_beginners.htm
>Plants for Beneficial Insects
https://permaculturenews.org/2014/10/04/plants-attract-beneficial-insects/
>RHS Pests and Diseases Directory
https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/plant-problems/all-plant-problems
>Thousands of Botanical Illustrations
http://www.plantillustrations.org/

>Previous Threads
>>2931549
>>2927367
>>2918094
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should have called it the Juicy Rocks thread
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>>2937401
>>2937443
Didn't see the new thread.

What causes these kumquat saplings to keep growing higher and higher, despite previous seeds coming from the same tree growing short and wide before? They have lots of sunlight and I did everything the same, yet all 3 grew so tall they can't hold their own weight.

Can I stop this somehow? should I? I mean they certainly won't be able to grow into normal trees.
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>>2937117
hope that still works lol

>>2937444
maybe try pruning one of the three right back to a couple of leaves? if it starts to grow normally after that you could do the others as well
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>>2937117
I've had success with neem oil. I heard hydrogen peroxide works too.

>>2937443
E T I O L A T E D
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what is this? Looks like Ivy to me but im after the specific type
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>>2937546
It's definitely Ivy (Hedera helix).
After a quick look at some different cultivars, I think it might be 'Annette'.
The leaf has five even lobes, and less prominent leaf veining than the regular species.
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>>2937543
thanks I'll try that - how much do you dilute it?
>>2937546
seems to look similar to the fluffy ruffles variety on costa farm's site (http://www.costafarms.com/plants/ivy) but there's not much info about them past that
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>>2937581
>>2937583
Thanks fellas
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>>2937583
>seems to look similar to the fluffy ruffles
are you alright m8?
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>>2937598
sorry - I attached the image that lead me to think fluffy ruffles. It has the same slight curl on the margin of the leaf that >>2937581 shows. I guess whatever is actually on the website was mislabeled as fluffy ruffle
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>>2937536
>>2937444
I don't think it's smart pruning what few leaves they have - they're barely a few weeks old.

Any other suggestions?
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>>2937617

As long as you don't cut into the hypocotyl/below the cotyledons there is no risk of long term damage. Pruning will remove apical dominance and encourage both secondary thickening of the stem and branching from the lower nodes.
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>>2937444
E T I O L A T E D
A S
F U C K
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>>2937583
For neem oil use as is. For hydrogen peroxide use 1 part for every 4 part water.
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>>2937444

>I mean they certainly won't be able to grow into normal trees.

Hahaha oh anon if only you knew
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>>2937659
thanks again for the help man
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Maybe I should trim the nepenthes someday.
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Just gonna leave this here but I'll email him as well. I wanna say plant people are the best of people and thank you so much for the seeds. I brought them up to the greenhouse this morning and the manager was elated about them. A prof for flowering plants was passing through when she saw the tags and was also extremely happy to see these are (hopefully) back in stock.10/10 of you man, thank you so much
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>>2937444
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
They arent kumquats they are beans!!!
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Im overrun with fungus gnats. Ive tried yellow paper covered in petrolium and ive also tried fly magnet strips but it only caught a couple. What can i soak my soil in to kill them?
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my beak pepper plant just started producing its first flower buds (it has ~10 right now). Should I pinch them off or should I let nature do it's thing? Never grown peppers before
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>>2937777
Quads wasted on a dingus who doesn't know you gotta kill them at every part of their life cycle.

Also pings
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>>2937785
I know you have to kill them at every life cycle thats why I asked what I can put in my soil to kill the larva.
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>>2937786
bleach should do it
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>>2937786
Throw the soil in the oven
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>>2937786
The answer is literally in the thread.
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Oh cool I have a lithop question! Is it true you shouldn't water them when they're splitting because they rot? When would it be safe to water again? I tend to dabble more in houseplants than succs so I'm used to a more involved watering schedule
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>>2937804
All plants can be houseplants dude. And you're right. You should not water a lithops while it is splitting. It will reabsorb its leaves. You should water it when it is showing some wrinkling, usually in the spring and very late summer
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Is it preferable to water house plants with fresh tap water or water that has been standing for a few days?
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>>2937835
Thanks for the tips - I guess any plant you bring inside is a houseplant
>>2937840
I'd usually let it stand for 24 hours, especially if you live in a hard water area or have fluoride (assuming you're american)
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>>2937840
Collect and use rain water when you can, no better water than that
When I dont have rain water, I use filtered water because my plants deserve the best
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>>2937840
>>2937846

Nah, most natural compounds aren't going to be harmful to plants unless you're talking about plants that originate in bogs or epiphytes.
A lot of added things (fluoride) are dissolved into the water and won't dissipate if left out overnight and require high concentrations to be harmful to plants. There are also things like chlorine which are an essential micronutrient for plants
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I bought this plant at a local store, but nobody there could tell me what type of plant it is. Can anyone here identify this thing?
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>>2937856
Asparagus aethiopicus
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>>2937857

Thanks very much for the speedy response!
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>>2937859
Np amigo, hope you enjoy the plant. Iirc it's not actually a fern but can be treated like one for care
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>>2937860

Great to know! It's definitely a good addition to my house.
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>>2937774
>>2937665

Is that like an /an/ meme? 'cause it ain't really providing me with more info than I had. I'm interested in why all seeds of the same plant would suddenly grow very very tall and thin, which points to some environmental force I'm unaware of, like lack of sunlight.
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>>2937875
THATS THE MOST ETIOLATED PLANT I'VE EVER SEEN JESUS CHRIST
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>>2937876
But it has plenty of sunlight, why would you meme me did I wrong you this much?
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>>2937878
how much sunlight do you think constitutes plenty because we probably have different ideas
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>>2937881
Inb4 windowless bathroom
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>>2937881
They normally sit all day in front of direct sunlight from my large living room window, like all my other plants do who are doing fine. In fact I grew a few seeds from the same plant a couple years ago who grew up fine in the same spot, I gave them away to others to slowly kill in their own time. It's just strange to me.
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>>2937885
maybe they just strongly dislike you
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>>2937887
Well frankly I don't blame them but that doesn't explain why they go all high and mighty on me.
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lads how hard would it be for a lemontree / chilli pepper plant inside my house when living in eastern eu?
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>>2937875

Stop being so dense. They're not the plants you think they are. They're 100% a species of Fabaceae, possibly sweetpea and absolutely not a single fart in hell anywhere close to a citrus. The tendrils at the apex of the leaves is a dead giveaway, obviously a climber.
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>>2937908
Then nature has some amazing slight-of-hand skills 'cause I took these out of the kumquats I PICKED AND ATE MYSELF, I put them in my mouth and chewed on them and put the seeds aside and put those seeds in dirt and watered them myself. Unless some fey creature or a ghost or something came at night and took out the kumquat seeds I planted AND PUT IN NEW SEEDS INSTEAD, these can only be what I think they are.
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>>2937918
dude even a cursory glance at kumquat and sweet pea seedlings online shows the very obvious differences that no amount of etiolation would cause
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>>2937918
You realise that any unsterilised soil can hold a bank of ungerminated seeds for years/decades right? Your kumquats didn't germinate, and when you watered the soil, the already present fabaceae seeds germinated instead. The only other potentiality to this puzzle is that you're a hilarious troll playing the ol' switcheroo on us.
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>>2937922
>>2937928
Look, I realize my insistence seems either like I'm pulling your leg or trying to save face for some mistake I made, but I swear to you I picked 5 pounds of kumquats off my aunt's tree like I do every winter for jam making, I made my jam keeping the seeds aside, then planted them in some soil (the soil was store-bought and those are conventionally sterilized, and the chances of unsterilized soil to grow exactly 3 identical different plants from the exact same spot I planted these is incredible anyway). I HAVE THE MOTHAFUCKING JAM IN MY FRIDGE it came out pretty great, will lay off on the cinnamon next time, regardless I did not plant any sweet peas or any other seeds for that matter in perhaps 6 months.

I guess this is the most I'll get off the thread, so thanks for the answers for now; if I solve the mystery in the future I'll come back to let you know.
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>>2937722
holy shit thats huge!
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>>2937777
see
>>2937259
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>>2937933
>Poor retard anon goes back to their fridge only to realise they'd made 5 pounds of pea jam.
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>>2937940
Peas in your country must be really fucking tangy for you to confuse them with kumquats...
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>>2937933
I say we name this new species of kumquat after you. How does c. japonica 'anonymous moron' sound?
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>>2937933
It doesn't matter! The one on the far left is already dead and the rest are not far behind. If you cant grow peas then youll never get a kumquat to germinate.
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Gonna start growing dude weed. What should I know
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>>2938152
Weed seeds are small and brown, peas are medium sized and green
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>>2937840
I let me tap water stand overnight just to make sure it's not too cold.
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fuck I used to collect lithops as a young lad, but I had to get rid of them when we moved, I was so pissed about that, especially considering I had gone into the fucking knersvlakte to collect quite a lot of them (south african fag here) pic related, it's where I camped
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>>2938152
It stinks when growing so you might not want it in your house.
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>>2937840
>>2937847
This, I collect rain water for my bonsai's
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>>2938268
that sucks dude. Did you gave them away? Maybe you can honor them by getting some new ones
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>>2938268
my dad got into collecting succs when he lived in south africa for work, always wanted to visit
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>>2938436
I gave them away to kirstenbosch botanical garden, I also had other good shit like elephants teeth, hopefully they were of good use, I actually do wanna get into it. gonna go to van rhyns dorp and get more.
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>>2938462
dude if you want succulents sa is the place, go into the klein karoo, they have weird ass little succulents, if you want more classical ones go to the normal karoo
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Whats wrong with my agave? :(
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>>2938580
It's turning brown for one..
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>>2938580
check it for bugs i guess
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Where the fuck do plant pests come from? I'm new to house plants and have 3 little fellas sitting on my window, they are currently fine. Will they just randomly get pests or will they only be effected when i introduce a new contaminated plant?
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>>2938625
They come in through the window, mush.
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>>2938629
maybe in your backwards patch of dirt
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what the shit, is my sunflower gonna bloom with down syndrome? It looks like it's missing most petals lmao

will update
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>>2938630
Aphids can fly you mong.
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hey can anyone ID this plant? I just got it as a gift and the plastic packaging around the base literally only said "dracaena plant". I couldn't find any more specific name anywhere on it.
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>>2938646
Dracaena ‘Lemon Lime’ maybe ?? beautiful find!
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whats a good plant to have in a bedroom?
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>>2938692
Depends how much light you get.
Potentially, any houseplant you like.
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>>2938692
sex bush
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>>2938692
I have most of my houseplants in my bedroom.
I also use my bedroom as an office, it's nice to have plants around when working.
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I hear shit about phytoestrogen all the fucking time with onions and shit. Are there any plants that are full of phytotestosterones? Or more broadly plants that increase testosterone and it's effects like aromatase inhibitors.
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>>2938758
Do you even know why plants produce artificial estrogen
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>>2938767
Probably some stupid defense mechanism or something. Isn't that why plants make a bunch of other random shit like caffeine?
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>>2938758
tribulus
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>>2938781
Depends on the compound and hormone, that was the old belief regarding secondary metabolites. Esterogenic compounds are produced because they can cause temporary sterility in herbivores or even induce miscarriages. Testosterone isn't really usable as a defensive compound so it isn't prevalent in plants. That said, look up plant sterols
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Here's a pic I took out doing research in the Everglades this week; it's so gorgeous out here. If anyone's interested, I can get some more pics, I took a ton.
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>>2938846
Beautiful pic anon. Show us the plants that you met.
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>>2938851
All right, ima dump a few then!
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>>2938859
Some of these are pretty shit quality, I took most of these on the helicopter and it's hard to focus right. Also, it's super bright. Still, I love looking at them.
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>>2938861
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>>2938864
Again, light's a bit glary, but not sure what to do about that.
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>>2938865
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>>2938868
Oh, right, that weird looking stuff at the bottom is called flock. Flok? Iunno, that's what they called it. It's kinda cool, but in your hands it kinda feels like shit. Literally. Especially when it gathers around some of the thinner plants in the same shape.
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>>2938868
Last one.
Thanks /plant/.
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>>2938871
It's really beautiful to see how everything stretches to the horizon. In the one I'm posting it was pretty dry I think.
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>>2938876
Whoops, 8 had a face. All right, last one! I hope you guys enjoyed, I'm going again this week I think.

Anyways, what plants live near you guys? Do you dudes have any national parks?
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very cool thanks anon
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>>2938878
What's your research in my dude?
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>>2938152
No smell
No tell
No sell

Weed smells very strongly, you need to plan something or the neighbours will complain.
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>>2939299
Wading birds-- Not really /plant/ stuff, but I still find them beautiful every time I go out. We don't actually see that many birds, mostly the stuff they eat.
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>>2939340
That's some comfy stuff overall my dude. I study plants but any ornithologists I've met have all been cool dudes (albeit a little quirky but I think that's just how ecologists work)

Gonna just dump some baby cacti pics
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>>2939346
Couldn't get a great angle for this pic and a few others. Also not a cactus but an extremely handsome plant
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>>2939349
caught this little cutie just as she popped her head outta the rocks
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>>2939350
A very cute little blob
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>>2938152
>dude weed
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>>2939350
Start with a little pizzazz
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>>2939346
Holy shit, that's what baby cactus look like?

Also ye, that's the stereotype wew. I used to not really give a shit about botany, but this professor I got really piqued my interest.
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>>2939355

then give 'em the ol' razzle dazzle

>>2939356
Astrophytum myriostigma
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>>2939356
whoow sorry I thought you said what's the species. Oh yeah baby cacti are cute as fuck
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>>2939358
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>>2939363
lil' baby opuntia
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Tbh they're cutest when they're just popping out of their little seed coats. Just a fresh little baby ready to meet the world
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>>2939366
Not cacti, but hella cute little blobs
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>>2939368
Here's a pic from a couple months ago. I thought these guys were growing strange then
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but now they're even more goofy. This is defs a symptom of too much nitrogen iirc
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>>2939373
Last cactus pic for now. I'm going to continue working but I'll be back (hopefully) later to post more
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>>2939377
>cactus

-_-
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Help, I have no idea whats wrong with my cactus
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>>2939432
Not all cacti are succulent. Look up the pereskia genus

>>2939435
Looks like you over watered it and it got root rot and died
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>>2939435
It's dead, Jim.
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>>2939370
opuntias are cacti too heck damn
>>2939377
>>2939446
yup, is it aculeata ? i do have sacharosa too
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>>2939435
Well the good part is that you shouldn't care too much about it
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anything I could give this prop to get it looking a bit more greensand less anaemic? It was just two leaves on the vine but then it put out another two while it was in water and I'm worried that it's used up it's energy. Parent pothos for reference.
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>>2939462
yeah it's an aculeata. You have that and sacharosa? Neat! I've been wanting to get more pereskopias. Here's a baby maihuenia
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>>2939472
pee on it
seriously, it's a great nitrogen source
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>>2939446
>>2939457
>>2939468

Well shit I could have sworn I only watered it once a week. Do you know what cactus it is, or was?
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>>2939503
>once a week
How often do you think it rains in the desert? Also your medium had too much organic material. You should use more pumice, sand and gravel and less organic
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>>2939435
F
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>>2939503
Plants should be watered when they are thirsty, not at fixed times.
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I have a pink polkadot plant that keeps dropping leaves. Any advice?
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>>2939499
noted - I'll go pee on it rn
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>>2939564
Don't.
Pee in a bottle and dilute it with water.
Then use as a fertilizer.
Peeing directly on it could burn the roots
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>>2939572
Ill be honest I was just gonna buy some nitrogen rich plant supplements
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>>2939532
>After flowering, the plant will likely become dormant or die outright. As a result, it's best to buy new ones every spring and attempt to propagate a new plant.
I thought I killed mine too but apparently that’s just what happens.
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>>2939593
Don't think this is the case. Mine is a baby. Currently all the older leaves are getting dried crispy tips. I didn't know this. Could I pinch the flowers to stop it blooming and dying?
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>>2939503
Does the pot have drainage holes? If not, the water will just have collected in the soil and killed the cactus.
It should be illegal to sell pots without drainage holes.
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>>2939584
waste of money.
Let some food scraps rot away in water or bury some food scraps in your pot or use your own piss.
theres 3 free options right there that work just as good if not better.
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>>2939596
>Could I pinch the flowers to stop it blooming and dying?
Yes. Don't let them flower.
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>>2939609
>Let some food scraps rot away in water
that's gonna stink my whole house then
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>>2939609
oh cool i didn’t know about food scraps - i’ll look into it, thanks!
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>>2939621
>doesn't know what compost is
welcome to a whole new world anon
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>>2939621
no prob.
a lot of people who dont compost dont realize how easy it is and how much plant gold they are wasting and letting rot away in landfills
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>>2939503
They should only be watered after the soil has been completely dry for a while, and grown in sandy substrate where it dries out within a day of watering and cannot remain wet for extended periods. And never water during the winter, keep it on a cool windowsill and completely dry until spring.
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>>2939620
Let it sit outside or with a lid on.
Compost tea really works, actively aerated compost tea is a scam though. There's no significant difference between compost tea and aact, so it's not worth the extra effort
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>>2938692
Go with peace lily anon, this is a very good indoor plant and absorbs harmful toxins from air
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whats a plant that wont die on my lazy ass
i want more plants in my house but all thats surviving are my succulents
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>>2938872
This image is cursed
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Ok /plant/ I want to learn paleobotany and maybe grow some things that resemble or are even related to extinct flora. Where do I start? Also what are the ceolocanths of plants?
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>>2939999
>and absorbs harmful toxins from air
>falling for the meme
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>>2940006
more succulents
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>>2940024
Look into selaginella and ferns if you wanna go really old school anon
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>>2939999
Unless your house is 90% plant biomass, it won't absorb shit.
You'd get cleaner air by opening a window for a fraction of a second than the plant can produce in a month.
Don't get plants for that meme, just get them because they look good
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>>2940123
I’d like to get into the whole evolutionary tree of plants, really. I don’t understand it nearly as well as I do that of animals and even then I definitely don’t know EVERYTHING there is to know.
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>>2940024
>>2940126
the tl;dr family tree of plants:
algae--->moss--->ferns--->gymnosperms--->angiosperms

some interesting 'living fossil' plants include many ferns, gymnosperms like cycads, welwitschia, araucarian conifers, and gingko.
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What you think about roundup?
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>>2940165
Hurts the bees.
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>>2940133
thank you for this, it's really helpful to see it all in one picture. and a tree is such a good representation for a phylogenetic tree.
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>>2939789
Just want to chime in here, because you advice is not accurate, imo.
>They should only be watered after the soil has been completely dry for a while
It's not neccessary to wait for the entire rootball to dry out, and this could actually do more harm than good. If the top 50% is dry, it probably could do with a little water.
But ultimately the best indication is the plant itself, and this will come with experience.
>and grown in sandy substrate
Rather, it should be gritty. Some sand is a good additive for succulent soil, but it must be coarse, and only around 20% of the mix.
>where it dries out within a day of watering
Good rule of thumb for drainage: If the water drains out of the pot within 15 seconds, you are good.
>And never water during the winter,
This really depends on your climate and whether you let your plants go dormant in the Winter. If they aren't dormant, they probably won't survive three months of Winter with no watering.
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>>2940165
It's without a doubt a very useful herbicide, and if used correctly has minimal environmental impact.
It should never be applied to plants that are in flower, as this can be harmful to bees and other pollinators.
Only use the amount you require, and only apply it where it's required.
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>>2937780
Peppers are very self-reliant, if conditions aren't right for fruit, it'll drop the flowers.
Pepper is the meme plant of the homegrowmen threads on /out/ btw, so for further questions you're probably better off over there.
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Not sure if I should post this here or in the invertebrate general. I’m posting it here since it is a plant “disease” (parasite)

This plant is infested by mites, at first they were just under the leaves sucking sap but now they make lots of web around the leaves and sometimes they gather at the tip of the leaves like this. I don’t know if it is a different species that showed up or why they do this. Anyone know more about this?
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Adenium Crispum finally coming out of dormancy.
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>>2940487
Indoor grow update
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>>2940487
>>2940498
Euphorbia francoisii seedlings starting to show some real personality.
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>>2939346
In what capacity do you study them? I already have too many degrees in unrelated stuff, but would love to be able to confidently say I study my favorite hobby.
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>>2939349
Did you breed these echeveria yourself? They are they next plants I want to try breeding.
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WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY PETALS
I literally can't find a answer on the internet
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>>2940597
This abnormal growth is called fasciation, or cresting.
It's seen a lot in Sunflowers, especially single-flowered hybrids.
Some plants, such as cacti, have fasciated forms that are popular houseplants, commonly referred to as 'monstrose' cacti.
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>>2940608
>googling fasciation
HOLY FUCK LOOK AT THOSE MONSTROSITIES
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>>2940483
Spider mites
They are a bitch to get rid of
Check your other plants, that's a bad infestation you got there, all other house plants you have will need to be treated.
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So I planted these bonsai cuttings in September, when should I start trimming them to encourage a thicker trunk? Should I wait until spring?
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>>2940608
Is cresting basically plant cancer?
Because it seems to be similar in the sense that it's mutated cells that have abnormal growth rates
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>>2940706
Let them grow as big as possible until the trunk is at a desired thickness and then trim it down.
If you trim it while it's small the plants will have no need to create a thicker trunk because it's not supporting anything heavy
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Can you tell me what is the name and type of this plant please?
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>>2940708
Sounds easy enough.
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>>2940403
>It's not neccessary to wait for the entire rootball to dry out, and this could actually do more harm than good.
What harm is that gonna do to a cactus?
>If they aren't dormant, they probably won't survive three months of Winter with no watering.
Mate, we're talking about cacti here. They can stand a year without watering if they're decent size. I have a couple in room temp that I didn't have space for in my basement. They haven't been watered since mid october and they're all perfectly fine.
>>2940527
pretty sure these aren't echeveria, but graptopetalum
>>2940706
Why would trimming encourage a thicker trunk? You'll get more branching but that's about it. Let them grow a couple of years..
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>>2940718
>pretty sure these aren't echeveria, but graptopetalum

Which cultivar?
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>>2937403
holy shit i need to learn to draw like this
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>>2940705
How exactly do they come? They eventually show up every time I plant sweet potatoes but this is the first time it gets that bad. In another city I keep a sweet potato in a plant pot, eventually a few of them show up but usually in small numbers and before it gets bad I harvest it cutting all branches/leaves and leaving just a tiny portion of the plant so it can survive two months with just my watering bottles that I leave there so when I return it already grew up considerally and it is parasite free. Sometimes a different parasite shows up but these tiny red dots are the most common.
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>>2937933
Anon, life beaned you harder than any man has ever been beaned. But when life gave you beans, you made jam. I'm proud of you. Sweet dreams, soldier.
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>>2940707
No, I don't think so. Fasciation is not a kind of tumour. It's just the result of the growing tip being damaged.
A better candidate for 'plant cancer' would be think like galls, which are are areas of uncontrolled growth caused by various infection.
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>>2940715
Some kind of Crassula looking fella.
Let the water drain out of the pot, anon. It looks absolutely sodden.
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>>2940718
>They haven't been watered since mid october and they're all perfectly fine.
That's fine for you anon, congrats, but it's not good advice imo, especially newbies. It's far too vague, and ignores any factor of plant size, soil or climate.
>Why would trimming encourage a thicker trunk?
Have you grown Adenium?
The seedlings absolutely fatten up if you shorten them around 1 year old.
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>>2940858
>>Why would trimming encourage a thicker trunk?
>Have you grown Adenium?
>The seedlings absolutely fatten up if you shorten them around 1 year old.
nm, was looking at the wrong pic
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>>2940858
In my experience that "50% dry" advice could do more harm than not watering for however the fuck long. If it's getting seriously shriveled up then water, and it's gonna be fine and plump within a day. Can't remedy root rot as easily. I don't think I've ever seen someone underwater a cactus. And honestly it applies to even the small ones, as long as they aren't seedlings. But I don't think any newbies own cactus seedlings.
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>>2940901
>In my experience that "50% dry" advice could do more harm than not watering for however the fuck long.
That's fair enough, but the only time I let my succs completely dry out is in the Winter.
In any case, my main point was that the best way to judge watering needs, imo, is not by checking the soil (although it is a factor of course), but by looking at the plant itself, and feeling the weight of the pot. If you are using clay pots (as you should imo) you can even just feel the pot to see if it's dry, or if it's damp.
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>>2940406
Isn't it already harmful for pollinators by killing the weeds they or their young feed on?
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>>2940907
Sure, but the same could be said for physically removing the plants by hand, i.e. weeding.
If you destroy a patch of nettles, for example, and remove that food source for various caterpillars, the result is the same if you did it by hand or with chemicals.
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>>2940715
Member of the crassula family, looks like a capitella. No way to tell for sure until it grows a bit.
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I recently acquired this cutting of an aeonium tabuliforme (I think) from the local arboretum - it fell off the plant and was sitting on the walkway waiting to get stepped on. It's gotten a little perkier since I planted it but still no roots. Any advice or suggestions?

Don't worry it has drainage, I drilled holes in the cup first
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>>2940133
So basically like >multicellular invertebrates>arthropods>fish>amphibians>reptiles which leads us to >birds & mammals but it’s plants? Cool thanks bro.
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Proud of my props
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>>2940924
very nice wooly bois
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>>2940707
It's mutated growth but not necessarily harmful. Crested plants are the plant forgetting how to grow so instead of growing from one point it becomes a line of new growth.
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Any help identifying these fellas?
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>>2940955
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>>2940955
cactus
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>>2940958
Thanks
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>>2940955
Not sure about this one
>>2940956
But this one looks like a ferrocactus
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I really like Arisarum proboscideum flowers
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>>2940924
Sweet babs, I recently got this plant too it’s so soft
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Can I just fertilize my plants while the soil is dry or should I fertilize after watering? (Succulent with water soluble feed)
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>>2941116
If the soil is dry, but the plant itself isn't showing signs of drying out, you should be OK. Don't add fertiliser if your plant is stressed from lack of water.
Also, most liquid succ feed is pretty weak as far as fertiliser goes.
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>>2940987
I love this small species
Well, I really like Araceae in general
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Good evening guys,
Is my cactus a Echinopsis pachanoi aka. san pedro cactus? The previous owner kept it in a kind of shadowy place and didn't water it for quite some time, is it going to be fine? I'm asking because it's this greyish colour at the bottom. Thanks in advance
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>>2941116
People say to water before fertilizing because it supposedely prevents fertilizer burn, but while technically true it makes no sense to do it imo. Fertilizer burn happens when excess salts deposit and dry off on the roots or leaves, because the salts draw moisture out of them. When you water before fertilizing you flush out salts that are already in your pot, then add them back in with your fertilized water. So essentially you're just wasting fertilizer. Easier solution is to just use lower concentrations of fertilizer than recommended on the bottle. From my experience pretty much every brand recommends way more than actually needed, especially for succs.
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>>2941116
Also forgot to mention: if you're in the northern hemisphere in a temperate zone it's probably too early to fertilize your succs. Only do it when you see them actively growing, otherwise these salts end up just hanging out in the pot and possibly damaging your roots since the plant isn't using them.
>>2941147
Just put the cactus out of its misery, that thing hasn't seen the sun in years. And it might be, but it's impossible to accurately ID something with a picture this shit and a cactus this misshapen. If you ever want an accurate ID on a cactus post a pic of the whole plant with good lighting and then a closeup of the areoles and thorns. Can't judge the state of the base either because your pic is utter shit.
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>>2941156
>thorns
meant spines*, before some autist throws a tantrum
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>>2941156
>Just put the cactus out of its misery, that thing hasn't seen the sun in years
this guy is right, just kill it already, it has seen enough torture in its miserable life
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>>2941150
Quality post thanks.
>>2941147
What a miserable looking cactus. I would put it out of its misery and try propogate some new ones from cuttings. Not sure if it would work with that cactus tho
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>>2941156
Sorry mate, here's a close-up of the base, are the spines visible enough?
>Just put the cactus out of its misery, that thing hasn't seen the sun in years
I really want to keep it though. Can i help it besides putting it in a sunny spot and watering it?
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>>2941156
The tip looks somewhat healthy still, i want to try cutting it of and replanting it. Will wait until march with that
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>>2941170
If you really want to keep it please for all things pure in this world remove the scraggly growth on top. Let the cactus regrow it's tip nice and plump. If you do choose to end it's pretty existence video you smashing it with a bat and post it here :)
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Hi /plant/. I got a new planter and I was wondering does it matter if I repot it now or should I wait until spring? It's an indoor plant
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>>2941197
It depends on the plant and where you live, most need a certain amount of sunlight exposure a day, so you can usually cant do it in winter
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>>2941147
I can't help with identification bc I don't know anything about cacti but here's some advice.

This guy is lumpy and weirdly shaped, and with proper care, the new growth will be healthy. But the parts that look ugly won't stop being ugly. Some corking on the older parts of the cacti is probably normal though. The skinniness and length are a result of bad lighting.

For care, be very sparing with water. A cactus can survive being under watered way more easily than the opposite. If the cactus becomes discolored or darker that's a bad sign. Same for yellow. If it gets squishy or wobbly, give up, it's already dead. Also, move it somewhere it will get as much light as you can give it.

Don't listen to the people saying put it down. Keep it if you want. It will just stay ugly.

>>2941197
Can't help you without knowing what type of plant it is
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>>2941204
Thank you very much
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>>2941203
>>2941203
The plant is a Hawaiian umbrella. I bought it as a bonsai plant but I don't care about keeping it small. I want it to grow massively big,which is why I bought a bigger pot.

I live in the south.(Georgia). Winter temps here are 50~60F, and indoor temps are 70~80F.

>most need a certain amount of sunlight exposure a day
I've kept my plant under a grow light for about 6 months now and it seems to be in stable condition.(All green leaves, growing bigger, just slow)

When spring comes I'll take it outside so I can hopefully get some aerial roots going.
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>>2941209
You can do it whenever you want if you keep it under a growlight. Just give it the correct amount of exposure per day.
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>>2941218
Thanks. This is how it is now. Foliage is pretty small because I bought it in September so I didn't have a proper growing season yet. I have the growlight set to a timer, so it gets about 15H of light per day.(Comes on at around 5PM, shuts off at around 7~8AM) I wrapped thermal insulation fabric around it for 2 reasons. 1) It reflects the light so it gets more even light and 2) It helps keep some of the light's heat inside and creates a small amount of humidity.
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>>2941172
>The tip looks somewhat healthy still, i want to try cutting it of and replanting it. Will wait until march with that

I would be really careful with that. I've never been able to root a cactus from a cut section. If you go through with it make sure the blade is clean and you wait a few days before planting the end to let it scab up, I've lost a lot of cuttings that way.

But if I were you I'd just leave it as is. If you cut the top off, keep the bottom half, it might start growing extra heads and the new growth will be less eteliolated.
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I've asked here about it before but does anyone have any advice on taking care of a ficus? I know they have a reputation for being easy to care for but it keeps dropping leaves. I only have cacti and succulents and I'm totally out of my element here.
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>>2941242
I will do that and also use root growth hormone on the cut
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>>2941244
What kind of Ficus?
Lots of different species.
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What is this. I'm retarded and can't identify
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>>2941241
I don't know anything about lighting set-ups, but the plant looks nice and healthy anon.
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>>2941259
Evidence of my retardation
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>>2941259
Aloe.
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>>2941264
You plumb
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>>2941262
>>2941262
Echeveria 'Doris Taylor'
look at the crest on her. phwooooaaaarrr
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>>2941267
You're going to need a bigger boat
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>>2941262
Echeveria devotion or a different fuzzy echeveria hybrid

>>2941256
I don't know to be honest. Could be a benjamina. Here's a pic, beer can added for scale. It gets plenty of indirect light all day, it's just close to dark right now.
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>>2941269
Nice decorations
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>>2941262
Echeveria setosa
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>>2941269
It's a variegated benjamina.
In my experience they drop leaves when moved around, when exposed to cold drafts or hot air from a radiator. Do any of these apply? How far is it from a window?
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>>2941269
yeah it’s a variegated weeping fig, really nice plant! Are you overwatering? Could possibly be early root rot if nothing you’re doing seems to be helping.
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>>2941288
Thanks for the confirmation! No drafts or vents nearby. It's about 7 feet from southwest facing windows. I water it once a week.


>>2941272
Thanks, the hummingbird thing came with the tree. The twine is just there for keeping the pot together, because it's trying to fall into 3 big chunks.
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>>2941261
Thanks. I'm new to keeping this type of plant so I don't know if it's the optimal way to grow it. I can't wait until it gets warm so I can see some real growth
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>>2941269
Don't you worry about spilling water onto your router when you water it?
I got shaky as fuck hands and wouldn't trust a plant that close to my electronics
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>>2941304
No expert, but shouldn't it have the direct sunlight of the window and not be 7 feet away?
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>>2941561
depends on the plant. some do fine with indirect sunlight. more direct sunlight is always better in 99% cases though. thats not always possible though depending on the window setup
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>>2938152
Look here
>https://www.zamnesia.com/cannabis-grow-guide
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>>2941160
Every rose has its prickle.
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>>2941297
It's not dying...... Yet. I'm just trying really hard to not kill it with inexperience.

>>2941540
Most of my plants are much smaller than this one so I have practice and pretty good aim
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why is my hedera helix so crispy?

they've been in partial light/mostly shade as it's winter here in north of england and my house doesn't get a lot of light

the problem is it seems to respond in the same way to over and under watering - become dry and crispy and lose colour

i had originally over-watered a previous ivy plant so i tried to restrict it a lot, only watering when dry to an inch deep. i don't know if i've under or over watered

the unhealthy parts are still a little supple and the leaves don't fall off to the touch yet, is it salvageable? would plant feed help at all?
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>>2941796
id just cut off the good vine and try and propagate that, the rest of the plant is fucked sadly
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>>2940487
What are the general names for some of your plants I like them
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Where are my lithop boys at? I grew these from seeds
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>>2941796
It's definitely drying out. Part is healthy at least, so it should be salvagable.
Even if you are letting the soil dry out between waterings, you should still soak the root ball fully each time you water. If the rootball is totally dry, you might even need to submerge the rootball to rehydrate it properly.
Ivy is a native to England (as I'm sure you are aware, it's bloody everywhere), so it's not really ideal to grow indoors in our climate. Most homes are just too warm and dry.
It's nice as a short-term filler plant, but ultimately it will be much happier outside.
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>>2941798
>>2941806
thanks - so would you say i should keep watering it and hope the rest comes back or cut my losses and propagate what i have healthy?
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>>2941810
Not the person you're replying to but you could try putting it over a tray of wet gravel in the future to up the humidity in the pot. Also make sure the pot it's in has a hole in the bottom.

If I were you I would cut off the dead parts and maybe change out the soil in the pot. That might give it too much of a shock though since it's the middle of winter and it's already pretty sickly.
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>>2941810
just buy a whole new plant, that thing is ded
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My gasteria has a baby! It looks like a little turtle head! When I bought this guy it was 6 inches across and it just grew like crazy so I was worried it wasn't getting enough light but I guess it's just happy with my new windows- now it's 14 inches!
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>>2941804
Those are all Madagascar Euphorbias and Adeniums.
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>>2941810
>would you say i should keep watering it and hope the rest comes back or cut my losses and propagate what i have healthy?
You could do either. It's likely that you have more than one plant in the pot, so if you take out the rootball and remove all of the dead parts, you could repot the green part in fresh soil.
But, to be honest, it's Ivy, and I wouldn't bother. You can buy them for pennies, and moreover, it grows wild all over the country.
Grow something exotic, like an Aloe.
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>>2941841
>something exotic
>an aloe
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why are 90% plants here succulents?
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>>2941851
There's plenty of cool aloe out there. Like dichotoma, plicatilis, erinacea, castilloniae, or suprafoliata. Basic bitch aloe vera are fine too but not exotic.
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>>2941855
Someone asks this every single thread and I'll give you the same response.

Succulents are easy to keep houseplants and there's a lot of variety in looks amongst them.
That's all.
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>>2941855
Because they look cool and are pretty easy to ignore. Plus they've gotten so popular you can buy them at the grocery store.

Inb4 it's popular so it sucks. Nothing bad about more people enjoying plants.
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>>2941855
18 months ago this thread was 90% carnivorous plants, and every OP had a god damned nepenthes as the image.
the topics are a lot more diverse here now, but yeah, a lot of succ growers, me included.
low maintenance is a plus, although a lot of succs are just as fussy as orchids imo.
the main attraction for me is how strange and exotic they are, especially euphorbia, of which there are hundreds of succulent species.
hopefully in the spring or summer some of the gardening anons come back, because it's been a bit quiet here over the winter.
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>>2941851
>exotic
>adjective
>originating in or characteristic of a distant foreign country
>>2941796
>in north of england
>aloe
>not exotic
>???
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How hard would it be to grow E. sinica indoors in a windowsill?

Also where would you get seeds? Seeds are legal where I am.
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>>2941821
Beautiful plant anon. Love the shingle too.
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>>2941893
mate you can buy aloes basically anywhere, I wasn't going on the literal meaning of the word, not saying they aren't a good plant or anything.
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>>2941890
I'm just waiting for philodendrons to have their day in the sun
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>>2941904
>mate you can buy aloes basically anywhere
but have YOU passed the test anon?
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>>2941907
>I'm just waiting for peperomia to have their day in the sun
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>>2941921
you should have been on plant instagram like last year, they were everywhere
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>>2941912
pic never fails to make me mad
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>>2942003
whats bad about it?
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Dewy bois best bois
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>>2942016
kit 2 close
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>>2942022
its probably just curious, its not gonna eat it
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>>2941912
looks like a woman (nail)
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>>2942018
Byblis > Drosophyllum >> Drosera >>>> spic pings
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>>2941894
I have it. It's a hardy plant and easy to grow but doesn't look great
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So I bought 4 succulents from home depot because my SO mentioned he wanted to grow things and I wanted to try and take care of plants to help him later and I think I already fucked them up. I noticed you guys posting a lot on here and wanted to ask if there is anyone on here willing to give advice. Or do you do guys just show off your really pretty plants?
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>>2942126
>is anyone on here willing to give advice
Only if you post tits first
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>>2942126
What makes you think you fucked them up?
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>>2942128
I'm a man
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>>2942161
(Please post your cock then)
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>>2942128
>>2942171
>>2942126
just post pics of the plants. you will be given advice
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is this spider mites?
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>>2942191
Doesn't look like it. Spider mites don't make webs like that.
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>>2942039
very perceptive
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>>2942223
any idea what it is? It's killing the growing bits on the terminal end of my plant. one curled up, dried out and fell off already.
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>>2942317
Is there something curled up in it? A caterpillar in a cocoon? Are the curled up leaves full of sheltering insects, arachnids or eggs? Apologies if that's clearly not the case but hard to see on my phone.
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>>2942368
not really
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>>2942191
They are not mites. It's a different insect likely doing the damage
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How do I take care of aloe?
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>>2942401
Vera?
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>>2942401

Ignore it, give it full sun and water from time to time.
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It's a bit chilly this morning
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>>2942423
Are they ok
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anyone have recommendations for a good small, indoor plant that is low maintenance? I've looked into jade plants recently but is there anything else i should consider?
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>>2942434

Sansevieria
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>>2942434
Haworthia zebrina, sansevieria, sempervivium, a cactus
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I posted my gasteria yesterday - today I noticed one of my smaller ones is doing something unusual. Usually they grow one leaf at a time from the center of the plant, but this one is growing from 2 places, with a new leaf coming out on either side of the newest leaf. Anyone seen anything like this before? What are the odds of it turning into a pup vs an oddball gasteria with 2 heads?

I tried to take a picture but the second leaf is too small to show up well. I'll wait and post pictures when it's grown in a little more.
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they're sleeping
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migrate to new thread after bump
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