[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vr / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / asp / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / wsg / wsr / x] [Settings] [Search] [Home]
Board
Settings Home
/an/ - Animals & Nature

Name
Options
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.
  • There are 93 posters in this thread.

05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
06/20/16New 4chan Banner Contest with a chance to win a 4chan Pass! See the contest page for details.
[Hide] [Show All]


Now accepting credit card payment for 4chan Pass purchases and renewals. Click here for details.


File: 1545098346614.jpg (83 KB, 500x644)
83 KB
83 KB JPG
Discuss speculative evolution/bio stuff here

Old thread : >>2886326
Discord : https://discord.gg/UXaUKCS

Definition of spec evo: Speculative evolution, also called speculative biology and speculative zoology, is a genre of speculative fiction and an artistic movement, focused on hypothetical scenarios in the evolution of life.


READ:
https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/
>A world colonized by Canaries, Sunflowers and others

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/5694942/1/
>A Chinese cave with very strange inhabitants

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/8050626/1/
>An Antarctic island home to strange lovecraftian creatures

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Conceptual_Evolution/topic/8300812/1/
>The Seychelles are a collection of miraculous islands, carrying a precious cargo of life from vanished world. But what if the Granitic Seychelles were merely the mountain peaks of a much larger island? What strange life might call such an island home?

https://www.deviantart.com/biofauna25/gallery/39451145/Epimethius

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonthunders/gallery/49884273/The-Future-Is-Far

https://www.deviantart.com/herofan135/gallery/45327524/The-urban-future
>>
Posting in good bread.
>>
How do cryptids reproduce?
>>
>>2916684
depends on which one you're talking about?

I mean if its shit like a sasquarch or a sea monster, probably regular old vanilla flesh and blood sex as the demiurge intended
Weirder shit, beats me
>>
whats an underrated spec evo project/book you guys recommend?
>>
>>2916679
>western society
>>
>>2916689
he probably means how do they find eachother if they're so incredibly rate
>>
File: 10a-violent-bunnies.jpg (46 KB, 632x425)
46 KB
46 KB JPG
could've rabbits/bunnies become sapient?
>>
>>2916684
>>2916689
>>2916737
How the fuck does a mothman reproduce? Is there even more than one?
>>
>>2916749
I want to believe.
>>
>a new Speculative Evolution book came out and nobody realized it

Didn't even know about out about it until I came across it in a book store.

https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Sixth-Extinction-Post-Apocalyptic-Pop-Up/dp/076368788X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547336250&sr=8-1&keywords=pop-up+sixth+extinction
>>
>>2916755
mothman is an ephemeral entity that manifests in the ripples of spacetime downstream from an event of significant mass trauma, only lasting up til the point in question.
>>
>>2916764
Whats in it? Worth the money?
>>
File: bkza5e4ras921.png (193 KB, 331x330)
193 KB
193 KB PNG
how could a plausible ice shark exist and what would their niches and adaptions be and how could they realistically appear like?
>>
>>2916870
When you say "ice shark" what do you mean? a shark made of ice? a shark that lives in ice? an arctic shark? A shark that swims in snow?

I'm gonna assume the last one based on your pic, and truth be told it's not very plausible, because you can't really swim through snow effectively. You could burrow through it though, if you're small enough you could even get a good tunnel system going in the snowdrifts.
>>
picure this:
dog with human feets
>>
File: 3465474354656.png (29 KB, 778x512)
29 KB
29 KB PNG
>>2916960
are they ticklish
>>
>>2916960
fuck off with this plantigrade dog shit. We all know what that looks like, all you have to do is search furry and bam boom done research concluded.
>>
>>2916749
You mean like kangaroos
>>
>>2916749
Read "Redwall" series.
>>
>>2916960
You mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear
>>
I wonder if genetic modification will allow us to accelerate and guide the evolution of some animals to sapience. I could see the novelty in sapient ravens, crows, octopii, great apes, dolphins, etc.
On another note, horizontal gene transfer seems like it would greatly enhance any being, just imagine having the anti-tumour capabilities of naked mole rats and regenerative potential of axolotls. Will we ever get a "perfect" human?
>>
>>2917080
if we can go another 50 years without blowing ourselves up or grey gooing the planets surface or any number of other horrible ways we could fuck up
>>
>>2916960
Someone needs to be post that furry saluki Pic. Nigga got some big ass feet.
>>
>>2916781
Seems to be a short toy book for kids.
>>
this belongs on /x/
>>
File: 1543704861118.jpg (52 KB, 248x254)
52 KB
52 KB JPG
>>2917066
>tfw Redwall will never be real
>>
>>2917222
no it doesn't
>>
>>2917222
definition of paranormal is

>denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding

the definition of speculative evolution is

>speculative evolution, also called speculative biology and speculative zoology, is a genre of speculative fiction and an artistic movement, focused on hypothetical scenarios in the evolution of life.

as you can see clearly, spec evo is not paranormal
>>
>>2917403
plus, speculative evolution uses P U R E science and paranormal explicitly says that it focuses on N O T science
>>
will gliding squirrel ever develop powered flight
>>
how would a civilization of seals work?
how would sapient seals look like?
>>
>>2917451
they probably would have to evolve less blubber
>>
is there anything on how invasive spiecies will evolve in the future?
>>
>>2917497
species*
>>
>>2917448
>this isn't on topic for /an/
yes it is
>>2917451
They would need to develop grasping appendages which seems extremely unlikely given their aquatic lifestyle
>>
File: gud dog.jpg (47 KB, 799x330)
47 KB
47 KB JPG
>>2916960
>>
>>2917497
>gigantic predatory cane toads in Australia, less reliant on water, adapted to desert-like conditions
>rabbits becoming lithe and gazelle-like
>feral hogs in america becoming predatory pack hunters, filling the niche wolves once did
>domestic cats branching out into a verity of niches to fit the roles of various small predators they'll invariable out compete, long weasel-like cats, stocky badger-like cats
>>
>>2917587
i'd like to add on more to this idea

>argentine ants take up the niches of harvester ants, evolving bigger heads and transporting both non native and native seeds

>invasive asian hornets fill out the niches of the low numbered european honey bees, though this will have to happen for millions of years before the asian hornets even act and look like honeybees
>>
>>2917763
We're all waiting for the day you evolve to not be a faggot, anon.
>>
File: zamtrios.jpg (76 KB, 1110x720)
76 KB
76 KB JPG
>>2916870
A Zamtrios looks realistic enough, I suppose, and close to what I think an Ice Shark should look like. But I don't think it would be naturally viable, given that icy environments are not as rich in prey as open seas.
>>
This artist seems neat just ignore the gender stuff https://stolpergeist.tumblr.com/
>>
>>2917828
>>
>>2917830
>>
>>2917831
>>
>>2917833
>>
>>2917834
>>
>>2917836
>>
>>2917839
>>
>>2917840
>>
>>2917841
>>
>>2917842
>>2917841
>>2917840
>>2917839
>>2917836
>>2917834
>>2917833
>>2917831
>>2917830
>>2917828
samefag
>>
>>2917914
newfag
>>
>>2917828
I have a reflexive distrust of anyone who uses tumblr due to personal experience.
>>
>>2917914
I didn't larp as multiple people, just chained the posts up
>>
>>2917260
Foolish question means foolish answer.
>>
>>2918163
It belongs even less on /out/ and /x/, /lit/ however seems like an option but the brainpower required is at /an/ even if most here are still not quite capable
>>
>>2918163
>>2917758
>>2917735
>>2917763
>>2917448
autism
>>
>>2918163
We've always had these threads on /an/ because evolution is nature and speculative evolution is based on nature.

also these threads periodically die for no obvious reason. Probably one of the two contributors gets sent to prison or something.
>>
>>2918384
it's because /an/ is already slow as it is, one of the slower boards on 4chan
>>
>>2918385
yes, but spec bio threads go through rushes where they get hundreds of posts a week and then they just die for no clear and obvious reason.

other generals do that here too, but not quite as much.
>>
>>2918163
>it doesn't belong on this board
yes it does
>>
>>2917587
>>2917638
>Walking catfish in Florida get larger and develop better means of retaining water, eventually taking over the niche of a midsize semiaquatic predator and leading amphiumas and sirens to extinction
>>
>>2917918
That sounds oddly specific
>>
>>2916679
>has hands
>doesn't pick off the flea people
I know they're dim, but damn, even snakes try to remove ticks.
>>
File: cn5Ejh1r34488o2_640.jpg (137 KB, 620x877)
137 KB
137 KB JPG
>>2918889
well this isn't a snake, now is it?

But yeah man after man is dumb. The only reason anyon remembers it is because of the uncanny valley aspects and that seasons greetings pic.
All Tomorrows is a much better take on the idea. In Man after Man, humans wipe out much of the terrestrial life on their planet and create genetically engineered human variants to replace them
In All Tomorrows, humankind has just become spacefaring and encounters an advanced alien species called the Qu, who are extremely adept with nanotechnology and genetic engineering, who see fit to 'reshape' humans into nonsapient animals before fucking off
All these human varfients that are created begin to re-evolve sentience over time, with at least one exception that becomes a pack animal for a reptillian species that evolved sentience in part thanks to reliance on them
>>
>>2917587
>>2917638
>>2918572

>seagulls take over the niches of quails, adapting to land instead of sea
>>
File: fp5pm825hso11.jpg (160 KB, 990x816)
160 KB
160 KB JPG
post cryptids, the biggest brain spec evo
>>
>>2919393
>>>/x/22045702
>>
>>2916679
>>>/x/22045702
>>
>>2919463
cryptids belong on /an/ because theyre like animals.
>>
>>2919463
>>2919393
>>2919502
>>2919503

get a fucking life and make another shitbull thread I guess if you're so fucking concerned about the quality of posts on /an/ you dingus
>>
>>2919502
spec evo isn't paranormal, that thread is about only discussing scientific accurate versions of paranormal creatures
>>
>>2919503
spec evo isn't /x/ bit cryptids are, we gotta draw a line someplace
>>
>>2916870
Probably like the Greenland shark, the most badass of all fucking sharks.
>>
>>2917415
No
>>
>>2919393
That's not a skinwalker, that's the alien from the 1982 film Xtro.

>>2916679
This thread is silly. I don't see how anything here is "speculative evolution" and not just people drawing imaginary monsters.
>>
>>2919716
>ops image is from man after man
>man after man is a spec evo book

do i need to explain more?
>>
how could walking tailed stem pterosaurs exist?
>>
could've wing walking birds existed?
>>
>>2916679
could inverts adapt to survive bug sprays/pesticides in the near future? i mean weeds can so
>>
>>2920223
they already are
>>
>>2920170
I could picture somethin like that evolving from a loon. Loons legs are almost useless on land, they just kinda scoot around on the sand.
>>
>>2917914

wew
>>
>>2916870
A shark with a hard bony skull meant to ram and break ice flows
>>
>>2920370
You're obsessed.
>>
>>2920370
The main and only question: what is a biological reason for sharks to evolve this way? Without answer to this question the discussion would belong not to speculative biology, but to pure fantasy field.
>>
>>2916679
No offense but this would do better in /x/
>>
>>2920707
Let's not forget that massively impossible whale they keep posting that also rams ice, because?
>>
how plausible would it be for a snake thats colored/patterned like a stick and mimicks a stick to hunt birds or squirrels on trees?
>>
>>2921009
This sounds very plausible to me and I was surprised there wasn't already a mimic snake like this when I looked it up
>>
>>2921009
we already have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFjoqyVRmOU

so it's extremely possible.
>>
>>2919217
agreed, Dougal Dixon was a pretty important figure but generally I'd say his work is in a weird middle place of not being that creative while also not being that realistic.

>>2916679

Zetaboards got absorbed by tapatalk, they have a new forum now. https://specevo.jcink.net/index.php
>>
File: lamarck_giraffe2.jpg (78 KB, 710x508)
78 KB
78 KB JPG
>Thought experiment to understand the mechanics behind evolution by using hypothetical scenarios


>"Uhhhh this doesn't belong here go to the board for paranormal stuff"

This thread belongs to /an/
If it was only cryptids it would go to /x/ but it isn't and besides that there already is a cryptid only version on /x/
>>
>>2920731
Because whale needs air, and shark doesn't need. Is it a desired answer?
>>
>>2921009
I have a idea similar to this one, a snake that's colored like a roof of a house and stands still most of the time on a house roof so it can prey on birds easier. How plausible is that?
>>
File: DZJe-dkVMAAj70q.jpg (147 KB, 866x1200)
147 KB
147 KB JPG
What has this evolved for? What's its specialization?
>>
>>2921907
Not every new phenotype is fitter than the old one.
>>
>>2921907
Mimicry
>>
>>2921907
years of depression.
>>
>>2921673
somewhat plausible, though it would have to evolve chamomile like camouflage (changing colors on different surfaces), i'd also like to imagine that it would be a flying snake decedent since it would have to jump from rooftop to roof
>>
>>2921926
chameleon like camouflage*
>>
>>2917809
>given that icy environments are not as rich in prey as open seas.
Seals, man, they're in both open sea and on the ice. Of course any predator wanting to compete with the fucking orcas for them is going to get bullied hard.
>>
>>2916749
>could've rabbits/bunnies become sapient
no, only higher intelligency found in omivores, sometimes carnivores... see dog, dolphin, raven, octopus, pig...
herbivores don't need intelligence and most often rely on number or size for protection and are extremly stupid...see horse, cow, deer and such.
>>
>>2922477
>herbivores don't need intelligence and most often rely on number or size for protection and are extremly stupid...see horse, cow, deer and such.
Theres always exceptions.
>>
lets say in a scenario humans suddenly disappear (implausible i know) and all the zoo gates and farm gates are left open and all the animals in zoos or farms get out of their cages and containment sites, how could the zoo animals and farm animals evolve and adapt to the new environment they're in?

also just to simplify lets just say this takes place in north and south america
>>
>>2922630
for the farm animals

>pigs just become wild boars
>cows will still herd and end up looking like bison
>sheep will probably die out
>chickens go back to their wild state of red junglefowls
>>
>>2920707
An edge case would be to surprise seals and other animals that escape them by jumping on land, or to remove hypothetic parasites
Or just a mating ritual, like a lot of abnormal behaviors, where the Shark with the hardest noggin' is viewed as the most successful

Both are pretty insane scenarios, but it could be a thing, except for the fact that Sharks can't afford to be active in such cold waters and the "bony" part
>>
>>2916749
nah, also that pic looks more like kangaroos then rabbits
>>
>>2922477
A lot of rodents are intelligent though and a lot of them are herbivores
>>
>>2923003
herbivorous rodents are notoriously dumber than omnivorous/carnivorous ones
>>
>>2922630
lions will most likely thrive in the mid-west or the great plains
>>
>>2917828
is this the guy from the scientifically accurate crypto threads on /x/?
>>
>>2917537
Has science gone too far?
>>
>>2919393
>wendigos
Hahaha yeah fuck that shit.
>>
>>2921907
It pays alimony
>>
>>2922630
Why would the gates open? Guarantee most animals in zoos die of thirst a week or two after we disappear. There’ll be some lonely camels for a few months after that.
>>
>>2923758
because it's a hypothetical situation?

>>2922630
I could actually see lions doing pretty well on the american prairie, assuming enough escape to establish breeding populations, they'd have largely uncontested claim on all the bison, deer, and feral horses that will be around, only having to compete with cougars and coyotes, At least until wolves start migrating back to their original ranges down from canada.
>>
how would pitbulls adapt/evolve into a more wild environment?

could they compete with wolves if they could?
>>
>>2916679
>black men leeching a fat whitey

what did the artist mean by this?
>>
>>2924037
they probably wont compete with wolves,

they'd evolve more longer legs and make the more exaggerated shit disapper
>>
>>2917415
imagine if they develop the ability to use their farts as a sort of powered flight mechanism haha
>>
>>2924053
They have white faces, just really hairy bodies
>>
>>2922661
While sharks don`t have proper bones, they have hard scales that are analogous to shark teeth in structure. Hypothetically, it can provide armoring to their heads given enough evolutionary pressure.
>>
>>>/x/
>>
Can the next OP pic be something thats not man after man to shut these faggots up
>2924520
>>
>>2917403
>>2917411
Nobody in these threads even understand the basics of evolution.
>>
>>2925095
yea, mistake on my part chosing man after man images, will fix next time
>>
can the next op be on /x/ please its really confusing people putting it on the wrong board
>>
>>2925099
I mean, really, no one does.
>>
>>2917836
It's a bald pangolin? That hunts?
>>
>>2917914
Duh?
>>
>>2919217
All tomorrows is good but both that and Man After Man suffer from same-face, a limitation of the artist. The scope of All Tomorrows is great, but we hit the wall when creatures have such different needs and goals that their lives are meaningless to us. Even the hardest science fiction can't stray too far from what we are now without become opaque and uninteresting.
>>
>>2921335
That's such a dumb pic, is it on purpose?
Individuals that couldn't reach high died out, they didn't stretch their necks and have longer necked offspring.
>>
>>2921926
chameleons don't change color for camo tho, they use it to communicate.
>>
>>2921907
Misery
>>
>>2925635
this
>>
>>2925636
>lamarckian evolution
If you never heard of it least open wikipedia please.
>>
>>2926603
That's what he just described though
lamarckian evolution is largely junk science
>>
this thread is fuckin stupid lol why you retards posting on the wrong board

>>>/x/
>>>/lit/
>>>/pol/
>>>/lgbt/
>>
how come they're aren't more spec evo projects about mites?

mites have amazing potential and have infinite possibilities

>mites looking like cocaine that, when inhaled, kills the subject in the insides slowly
>mites looking like dust so if the prey tries to wipe it away, the mites create small holes in the fingers and kill it from the insides
etc
>>
>>2926711
it is? i though evolution was basically

>animal makes baby
>baby has shit that helps it live in environment
>baby grows up
>passes genes
>>
>>2927817
lamarckian evolution is the idea that the animals baby will somehow have specific traits because of its parents behavior
example in the pic illustrating it, the giraffe ancestor spent a lot of time stretching it's neck to reach leaves, so somehow its offspring will have a longer neck, which isnt how it works

We've found some evidence of genetic and chemical memory being passed down to offspring, such as in one study where mice were taught to fear a certain scent, and several generations down, mice who never encountered the scent had a fear response to it, but we have no reason to believe it goes beyond this, and even this has drawn some skepticism because we've been unable to identify the mechanism responsible
>>
what if humans evolved to not make stupid ass threads like this one
>>
>>2922610
>Doesn't need size for protection
>Posts pic of largest extant land mammal
What did he mean by this?
>>
>>2928170
>and are extremely stupid
Did you miss that part? His point was that elephants are smart you brainlet.
>>
What if all land animals were wiped out?
What would be the first thing to crawl back on land and lead to a new lineage of land animals?
>>
>>2928599
probably some sort of lungfish or mudskipper
>>
>>2928599
Depends if what wiped out land animals could affect a certain amount of those in the oceans.
>>
>>2928723
Lets say for the sake of discussion that what wiped out land animals has no effect on ocean life except in so far as life in the sea is effected by the existence of life on land.
>>
>>2928943
Mudskippers, snakeheads, New Zealand eels, frogs, and salamanders would love all the open niches. We would see plants go crazy without grazers until either invertebrates or some sort of fish adapt a herbivores diet (which shouldn't be too hard with fruit around).
>>
>>2928170
>...and are extremely stupid

Where's your herd?
>>
how could aquatic ants evolve?

i mean fire ants have shit that deflects water but how bout going into water?
>>
Two words.
Giant Fleas.
>>
Anyone have that crab/gorilla creature concept an anon posted a year or two ago? I meant to save it but haven’t found it since
>>
>>2929435
it depends on what you mean,

if you mean kaiju sized then no since oxygen levels on earth right now can't sustain giant bugs
>>
>>2929430
There is no evolutionary benefit for underwater hive behavior. Can't protect a queen under water.
>>
>>2928943
Well there's already neotenic salamanders that can have teresstial offspring so that's what would go on land first
>>
>>2921907
Alimonius brendanus
>>
what would be a evolutionary reason to evolve only one eye?
>>
>>2930400
Lack of need for depth perception
>>
>>2929430
>>2929796
Anteaters arent gonna look for ants underwater
>>
File: xhHN32W.jpg (391 KB, 1000x792)
391 KB
391 KB JPG
>>2929796
Synalpheus regalis says hello.
>>
>>2916679
Who that guy who made a sentient species of hexapod/octopod aliens with flower like mouths that had a lot of artworks including things like a bunch of those chilling out while smoking hookah in an arab-like room or a scene of a riot?
I forgot the name and wanted to check it out.
>>
>>2931028
abiogenisis, he's cool

lot of his aliens look the same, though. Which, I guess it makes sense if they come from the same planet, all the same tree of life.
>>
>>2931057
>His deviantart has concept art of the Subnautica DLC
I fucking knew it. The penguin things ,the pinnacarid and other creatures concepts were too similar to the birrins to not being inspired by (or be) his work
>>
>>2930756
why it is in cheese?
>>
>>2929783
That and exoskeletons are shit at maintaining large sizes, which is even more important than the oxygen thing.
>>
>his speculative evolution project has no pictures in it
>expects more than 5 people to read it
even worse
>speculative evolution project has shitty colored pencil drawings forcefully pressed down as hard as possible on lined paper taken with a cell phone camera
>>
>>2932014
which ones are you talking about?
>>
>>2931839
its coral not cheese
>>
>>2932140
Go on the spec evo forums and click any random project.
>>2932730
It's actually a sponge
>>
what are your guy's ideas for flying humanoid/primates?
>>
File: flying.jpg (30 KB, 220x307)
30 KB
30 KB JPG
>>2932925
they wouldn't look like picrelated

wings like that wouldn't power flight for a human

instead in my head primates would've evolve bat-like wings and would've lived in a secluded grassy island
>>
hypothetical scenario

all terrestrial animals suddenly die out except for 1000 of each dog and cat breed

how could each breed fill in the vacant niches?

also birds and aquatic life still exists in this scenario

in my opinion i'd think pitbulls would become the new wolves in this hypothetical scenario
>>
>>2933387
also inverts are still around in this hypothetical scenario
>>
>>2933387
To be completely realistic this is 100% fucking retarded because a food chain comprised entirely of carnivores would quickly collapse due to the lack of food chain base
>>
>>2933387
>there is a list of specific niches that absolutely have to be filled and will be eventually filled by some buttfuck random animal in the future
That's not how it works retard. Niches are created by the ecosystem, and a random animal isn't going to fill it just because. And your scenario is retarded because unless birds become flightless and take the niche of small rodents and squirrels your cats and dogs are going to die.
>>
>>2932927
they'd probably have only 3 or 2 fingers tho
>>
>>2917587
>>2917638
>Lionfish, with such capable defenses, become larger predators, eventually reaching a grouper-esque niche
>>
>>2933662
not nessiserily, if there are still bugs around
>>2933442
the only way cats are gona survive is if they greatly reduce in body size and become better adapted at eating bugs
Dogs are primarily carnivorous but they're pretty adaptable when it comes to what they can eat, would probably do better than the cats, especially if human refuse is left behind
>>
>>2926711
>That's what he just described though
While being totally unawared about it. He doesn't know who Lamarck is
>>
what is your guy's favorite spec evo genre?

genres are

>alt evo
>future evo
>pop culture evo (where people make pop culture creatures scientifically plausible)
>xenobiology (alien spec evo)
>>
File: nolien10small.png (257 KB, 1000x1000)
257 KB
257 KB PNG
>>2935698
Future and xeno, most def. Here is an example of an alien gladiator I did for a commission.
>>
>>2932014
Artwork without any discussion of the concepts it entrails is far worse than the opposite imo. If your project consists of drawings of silly-looking things with no demonstrated trail of thought behind them don't expect me to give a shit, it's just creature design at that point.
>>
Hear me out on this SE story idea:

>A really generic zombie outbreak happens (more 28 days later than Night of the living dead, so no ressurecting corpses or surviving extreme injury) that kills 90% of human life.
>The remaining human populations, whether genetically resistant or able to avoid infection are isolated and spectate.
>The infected themselves still reproduce undergo natural selection (all the initial retard zombies, and ones that think its a good idea to attack armed survivors are all wiped out). Eventually this causes a re-emergence of intelligence.
>X million years later some 21st century humans who were preserved wakes up to this mess
>>
>>2936635
wouldn't this basically just result in normal humans coming back if all the mindless zombie traits got bred out
>>
>>2936983
>>2936983
pretty much, but the redevelopment of human intelligence and civilisation would result in some differences, not to mention the new vestigial traits coming from a more predatory origin. I'd think the presence of 21st century artefacts would also speed up their progress.
>>
>>2936199
>tfw alien banana
>>
>>2917080
>>2917168
Uplifting (or even downshifting) species on earth or elsewhere in the universe has lots of possibilities but has a lot of ethical implications and responsibilities to consider. Would they have equal rights now that they are an approximate mental equal? Will they see us as collective parents? Revere us as gods? Hate use for pulling them from ignorant bliss to experience the horrible sides of thier equivalent of the human condition?
>>
>>2937457
All that and more. It's not a matter of "should we" more a matter of "when we", truthfully. Sure, there will be initial legislation to hold off gengineering from going too wild, but over a few thousand years all of those barriers will be shed and we can finally bloom as a civilization: nigh unending novelty of forms and life to spread across the galaxy.
>>
>>2935698
pop culture evo can be interesting at times
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
File: yendred.gif (4 KB, 310x332)
4 KB
4 KB GIF
>>
>>2935698
alt evo
>>
>>2933387
>all terrestrial animals suddenly die out except for all dogs and cats

FTFY
>>
what's your guy's favorite spec evo project?
>>
>>2938877
definitely Serina
>>
>>2938877
>>2938889
Same, but Snaiad, Furaha, and Abiogenesis are great works imo.
>>
>>2916749
I advise you to play The Sandbox of God
>>
File: image0.jpg (88 KB, 1202x487)
88 KB
88 KB JPG
>>
File: Capture.png (643 KB, 984x765)
643 KB
643 KB PNG
how would a sapient pig society work like?

how would they look like?
>>
>>2939253
this is the coolest one yet
>>
>>2939253
That's a bit too high end fantasy.
>>
>>2940178
probably like any sapient society
>>
>>2940178
It probably wouldnt
>Uncapable of vocalization
>No prehensile limbs (and little chance of that because >ungulates)
If you want to ignore their limitations, you might as well go into full fantasy territory
>>
>>2917415
not unless bats and birds go extinct
>>
File: 18ua10p20frxujpg.jpg (146 KB, 970x546)
146 KB
146 KB JPG
Could something like a space whale ever exist? I really like the idea of outer space being like the ocean
or maybe a microorganism that can live in the vacuum of space finds a source of energy and grows to be fuckhuge
>>
>>2941423
The pig can evolve prehinsile extensions on their snouts like an elephant or starnosed mole. And they can communicate with grunts similarly to Chinese language where saying the same thing in a different time changes its meaning except on a larger scale
>>
>>2941724
source of energy isn't a problem, the increased exposure to radiation would make photosynthesis an option.

A far bigger problem would be obtaining biomass. For such a large creature to grow from they would need a reliable source of materials.

And that is to say nothing of the risks of ionising radiation, extreme temperature shifts and the fact that the likelihood of such a creature evolving would be like the chance we evolved squared.
>>
>>2917842
Holy shit this is the most time expensive showcase of cultural misunderstanding i've seen all week
>>
>>2942076
how?
>>
>>2919393
need more about frogman
>>
>>2941724
>>2941977
the biggest problem is that the lack of oxygen.

sure a tardigrade could survive in space i dont think anything bigger could.
>>
>>2942220
A tardigrade "survives" extreme conditions the same way a bacterial spore does. whilst in cryptobiosis it can't do anything.
>>
>>2917918
Fairly reasonable
>>
>>2923899
>sea lions doing pretty well on the american prairie
wot
>>
File: image0.png (48 KB, 246x170)
48 KB
48 KB PNG
>>2942379
re-read that
>>
>>2942077
no really how, i really dont see how thats a cultural misunderstanding
>>
>>2916679
is this image an allegory for white taxpayers
>>
>>2926794
Go jerk off to horses
>>
>>2941977
Couldn't "space whales" gain biomass by evolving or at least living in nebulas, or migrating to stars that had gone supernova, and gaining material from the newbornb accretion disks?

I'm also sure some life form could evolve to not need "air", survive space radiation and zero g, my main question is how would they handle propulsion/locomotion? Could they evolve solar sails?
>>
File: 2rejt37.jpg (104 KB, 537x983)
104 KB
104 KB JPG
how a scientifically accurate pikmin ecosystem work?

how would the pikmin creatures realistically evolve like?
>>
>>2943956
Pikmin are ants. Top two antennas are very close to each other creating the illusion of a stem.
Bulborbs and related species are highly developed predatory frogs. The blind aquatic one could be a neotenic species.
Pollywogs or whatever they're called are just frogs that didn't change that much.
The big snake bird could actually just be a snake with a large spoon shaped snout used to wiggle through dirt.
>>
>>2943018
we need european version with sandniggers instead of blacks
>>
File: feels purrfect man.jpg (94 KB, 630x568)
94 KB
94 KB JPG
>First post uses my suggestions
>>
what would be a evolutionary reason to evolve 3 heads?

i was thinking of somthing like having 2 decoy heads to fool predators into thinking it was powerful n shit
>>
>>2944582
you just described it. having more that one brain would be extremely resource intensive, so it's not ideal, and it's likely that the brains wouldn't be able to synchronize well with eachother if they're each in their own head, meaning the organism's body control would be disjointed, two headed animals like snakes and turtles often have trouble coordinating for this reason, each head wants to do something different.

if the heads are simply decoys though, they serve a much more practical purpose without these issues cropping up.

It could also work if the extra heads don't have a brain, but at the base of the neck is a nerve cluster that sort of acts as a secondary brain, able to operate independently but still receives input an commands from the main brain, similar to how an octopus's tentacles work.
>>
File: sterotype.png (8 KB, 181x279)
8 KB
8 KB PNG
what type of environment would the stereotypical martian live in?

would it be an alien at all?

and by stereotypical i mean something like picrelated
>>
Any of you guys ever read Expedition by Wayne Barlowe? It got adapted into a Discovery special a while back.
>>
Do you guys talk about alternate evolution at all? I was thinking the other day what if there were like, tundra giraffes?
>>
File: bkdztfo71ig21.jpg (273 KB, 1280x720)
273 KB
273 KB JPG
how could a scientifically accurate Stegoceratops evolve?

how would it look like?

what type of environment would it live in?
>>
>>2945415
They really aren't as fun to make as other projects. And it's hard to come up with something without fucking with the tectonic plates or how the world works.
>>
>>2945669
the only alt evo stuff thats interesting at all is pop culture evo
>>
>>2945427
We're not even sure why stegosaurus has its back plates, so what would lead a triceratops to grow them too is a bit of a mystery
>>
>>2945355
genetically modified human
>>
>>2942802
probably means the guy who drew that doesn't understand the culture of the creatures
>>
>>2945872
pretty sure the plates were for absorbing light to help with bodyheat at night
>>
>>2944582
The only way i could see multiple functional heads would be for reproduction.

Say for example an animal that grows like a plant, with one main "stem" with a shoot tip (primary head) with branches ending in secondary heads that fall off to become new individuals.

The question then would be what niche would favor a fractal branching structure but would still require cephalization.
>>
File: image0.jpg (65 KB, 745x559)
65 KB
65 KB JPG
how could a fungi that breaks down computers work?

would it look like picrelated or would it do it internally?
>>
>>2946381
>someone spilled water on keyboard
>went to service
>30 days before actual repair
There you have it.
>>
>>2946339
seems like some sort of animal on a alien planet would do that
>>
what is a common spec evo trope that you feel is overused?
>>
>>2947260
There's tons, but even as a kid I thought there were far too many short necked grazers that used some sort of telescopic tongue with a grasper at the end. Bonus points if they could suck water up through it.
>>
The Killer Bee-Eater

>A genetically altered Japanese Giant Hornet created by scientists to fight the media-created menace of Africanised Honeybees
>They're bigger, tougher but have no stinger (for safety reasons)
>They eliminate the Africanised Honeybee problem, but they also do immense damage to North and South American ecosystems (by eating large amounts of microfauna) and they cause havoc on Honeybee populations
>They may have no stinger, but they still are poisonous (which causes even more damage to ecosystems by killing off insectivores)
>There you go, a continents ecosystem destroyed by septic fear
>>
>>2947363
this is some cool shit, but realistically i think that scientists would genetically engineer Varroa destructor to only target killer bees
>>
>>2947702

You're right but that's not really interesting

Two more similar ideas

>A genetically altered nectar eating bird that pollinates flowers after the extinction of Bees
>A small genetically Bird that eats mosquitos/other irritating flying insects after the extinction of frogs
>>
any ideas on the future evolution of africanised bees?

i'd imagine they will probably spread all around the world
>>
>>2948053

Maybe if Queens evolved a way to latch onto migrating birds to conquer new territories
>>
lets say you put 10,000,000 bugs of each invert on a terraformed planet with 31-35 percent of oxygen levels, the terraformed world is just like earth, with all the biomes and shit.

how could life evolve in this terraformed world?

will the spiders evolve like the mother long legs in kong skull island?
>>
>>2948443
10,000,000 of each invert*
>>
>>2945373
I had translated it into Russian. Is that enough for you?
>>
File: 1547499943515.png (772 KB, 900x1196)
772 KB
772 KB PNG
>take giant pterosaurs body
>take plesiosaur head
>mash together and add ability to spit skin irritating venom like a spitting cobra
>enjoy realistic dragon
Did I just solve fantasy writing forever bros?
>>
>>2945373
I think it's silly.
eyes and eye-like sensory organs has been independently evolved multitudes of times on our planet alone, and it doesn't evolve even once on an alien planet?
>>
what is /se/'s thoughts on this?
>>
>>2948730
this also



Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.