>More than 75 percent decline over 27 years in total flying insect biomass in protected areasWithout pollinators, our food supply will collapse. Is this the end?https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185809
>>2882051No, just the end of overpop, just as planned.
>>2882051I hope so.
>>2882051I love how everyone keeps trying to pretend we don't know GMO crops and associated over-use of herbicides and pesticides is the cause.
>>2882072GMOs usually result in less use of herbicides.Not saying it's not all herbicides and pesticides that are responsible. But this had to have been an ongoing trend before GMOs were introduced
>>2882096Stop shilling to us Bayer.GMOs need more herbicides.This is a fact.
>>2882100Incorrect, GMO doesn't need more herbicides, but it does allow more indiscriminate use of herbicide to create increased yields.
>>2882096>GMOs usually result in less use of herbicidesLiterally the absolute fucking opposite of reality. Particularly Round-up Ready crops encourage farmers to absolutely spamblast herbicides fucking everywhere.
>>2882051>Are we all going to die?That was inevitable regardless of any manmade ecological catastrophe. Or did you think you would live forever?
>>2882102In other words, it encourages excessive use, which is enough to make it happen.
>>2882106"We" refers to humanity, not any individual human in this context.
>>2882051Had birds fully recovered from DDT use in Germany by 1990?Where i live, I saw steady increases in bird numbers and decreases in arthropod numbers for the last 20 years, including bald eagles and bluebirds going from something you were excited to see to being something you saw every day and garden orb web spiders going from something we had many of every year to being something it was exciting to find.
>>2882113Is there much agriculture around where you live by any chance?
>>2882051these things are why I got into environmental science but also why I got out, it's just too much manjust a fucking massive burden
>>2882118It's like being a nurse at a hospice at this point.
>>2882051>Without pollinators, our food supply will collapseMost of our food crops don't require pollinationWhen we do need something pollinated by insects we use domestic insects, not wild ones.So no, basically nothing you're saying is true. Loss of insect diversity is a problem in a lot of ways but not that one.
>>2882108My statement still applies.
>>2882139Technically. Although you're purposefully missing the point.
>>2882127Most ecologists and entomologists I've seen commenting on this topic have said that losing insects would lead to a collapse of ecosystems and the end of human life.
>>2882142yes. That's true.however you'd have to lose ALL insects, and that's not happening. We aren't even losing the ones we count on to feed us.
>>2882145We don't have nearly enough data, but there are plenty of studies all over that suggest we're losing insects in massive numbers (especially flying insects).
>>2882149>We don't have nearly enough data,this problem was mentioned in the first edition of Silent Spring and it cited science from the 1930's. This is not some new concern.we don't count on wild insects for food so the loss of insects has no affect on that. You could wipe them all out and we'd still be pollinating crops with domesticated honeybees.
>>2882051And then some other bugs will replace them, and all of you will go "WOW IM SHOCK" and find some other reason to claim doomsday is upon us
>>2882151Yes but losing wild insects will cause our ecosystems to collapse.
>>2882156agreed, but it WON'T cause our food supply to collapse.
>>2882051I guess it is climate related issue (which wasn't caused by human activity btw).In Moscow it looks like summer and winter had became shorter, and this caused increase of insects. Hornets appeared, which were extremely rare...
>>2882160They.. also say that humans cannot survive if it collapses.
>>2882168Also:>Loss of wild pollinators serious threat to crop yields, study findshttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/28/wild-bees-pollinators-crop-yields
>>2882051Probably. Way too many things are going wrong, too fast, at the same time. We've fucked with too many things we didn't/don't fully understand and that hubris will be our downfall.
>>2882180Care to give me a list of the things you're aware of?
>>2882096You are incorrect. GMO crops were engineered specifically to resist certain pesticides that eliminate all native flora. Even the newest monsantos banger, "coated seeds" are sold to farmers advertising less spraying, but the seeds themselves inundate the soil just after a few seasons in the ground. Sorry mike that's a no from me
>>2882117It's mostly pasturage and hay, but there is some rowcropping.
>>2882113>rowcroppingNot sure about bird numbers related to DDT, but there is this:https://www.dw.com/en/insect-and-bird-populations-declining-dramatically-in-germany/a-41030897
>>2882122It is. If the human population is not reduced drastically and very soon, this world will face an extinction event that may compare to the End-Cretaceous.
>>2882167>I guess it is climate related issue (which wasn't caused by human activity btw).One sentence and two falsehoods. Phenomenal use of your conservashit powers to do great evil here.
>>2882262I'm starting to wonder if I should be working on being completely self sufficient and being able to support myself plus a few other people. Not that it wouldn't be anything short of a full-time job to even attempt it.
>>2882262Overpopulation isn't the core issue though. The ones fucking everything over are at the very top, and people from developed countries consume vastly more resources than those from developing countries.
>>2882292>people from developed countries consume vastly more resources than those from developing countriesWe're doing our damn best to develop those developing counties and bring their living standards up to our levels. This is happening everywhere now and it's going to be an absolutely incredible disaster. Just look at China for instance. They pump out about a third of all CO2 now, over twice as much as the US. And it's only set to rise. Now there IS some hope on that front since solar and wind power are actually cheaper now than fossil fuels in many places, but that would only be solving one out of a whole host of issues.
>>2882292But those from developing countries strive to use as many resources as middle class Americans and do when given the oppirtunity. Would it be better if we were all dirt poor and had nothing? Just think how many more people we could jam onto the planet!
>get rid of dandelions so we can grow nice yards of grass>where are the bees going?
>>2882292>Overpopulation isn't the core issue thoughIt absolutely is. There is no way in hell this world can sustain several billion greedy human maws AND an intact, healthy biosphere.
>>2882300A planet with a third world reproduction rate combined with a first world consumption rate is exactly what the capitalists want and the socialists have been frightened into supporting also.And it will absolutely DESTROY this world.
>>2882302Actually it's all the pesticides and herbicides farmers are pumping into the environment. Who knew filling the world with poison was a bad idea?
>>2882302>>2882315It's both. Pesticides, habitat loss and climate change are stated as contributing to the issue.
>>2882317Climate change is NOT the issue. It never is. That's just something nu-STEMs insist on throwing into their stories literally any time anything happens. Climate change will destroy humans, not Nature.
>>2882321>Climate change will destroy humans, not Nature.What utter nonsense. Of course it's going to disrupt ecosystems (it already is).
>>2882325No. It's not. Human activities are. This is a common and deceitful claim. It's easy to bitch about climate change and maybe get some carbon credit bullshit passed. It's impossible to attack the ACTUAL fucking problem, which is that there are too fucking many humans on this planet, capitalism is not sustainable in ANY form, and that pollution, agriculture, sprawl, logging and fishing are what are actually fucking everything up. If you think a mildly warming climate is wiping out animals that prospered when the climate was multiple degrees CELSIUS warmer, then you're exactly the target audience for these fucking odious lies.
>>2882350Oh you're one of these lunatics who thinks that scientists and governments all over the world are conspiring in the most elaborate conspiracy ever in order to make us believe that the gases we're putting out (which demonstrably absorb radiation) are.. absorbing radiation and causing the climate to change.. just to they can get more tax revenue. Yep.. that totally makes sense and isn't fucking retarded.
>>2882365No, you dipshit. It's just typical human laziness and rejection of responsibility for fixing anything. Every single one of these assholes screaming about global warming believes that Green Capitalism will fix it at the behest of some moron like Elon Musk. The only way to fix it is get rid of humans. You're a fucking plague. And 100% of issues nu-"""scientists""" claim are due to global warming are ALWAYS fucking due to humans just trashing the fucking planet. Coral reefs dying is mostly due to agricultural run-off and siltation, NOT global warming. Reefs without human presence almost completely recover after bleaching. Those near humans DO NOT. The Golden Toad is said to have been (partly - it's always "partly", because it's never true) killed off by global warming. Ignore the fact that fucking human termites destroyed all the rainforest it needed to live, then spread a literal fucking fungal plague that wiped it out because they're too lazy to take care of their pets and throw them into the nearest body of water. Yes, it's global warming killing off all the insects. Not the solar fucking metric fuckton of pesticides we fill the world with. Nope. Has nothing to do with anything.Fixing:- Sprawl- Overpopulation- Agriculture- Hunting/Fishing- Pollutionactually requires fucking work and hard choices, which no pampered fucking western white parasite can cope with. They'd rather live in fantasy land that technology will magically fix everything.It won't. And you'll die.
>>2882369>Reefs without human presence almost completely recover after bleachingCan you point me to some examples?
>>2882072Ever heard of the honey bee, mate? Yea? Well look into what they are doing to the native wild life.
>>2882292>hurrrr overpopulation is not the issuewhen will this meme die?
>>2882369good post>inb4 why don't you start by killing yourself then!!1nice "no u" comeback faggots
>>2882581When we will stop being racist and stop help human-like species.
>>2882594it's not about muh animals you fucking retarded faggot, the best way to help the "human-like" species is, precisely, by preserving the fucking planet we live innice bait tho
>>2882264You know, we have this shit quite periodically. So, it is not human caused. Period is like 30 years or so. 30 years of hot summer and extremely cold winter, and 30 years or 'meh' weather year round.Furthermore, there is no factories in Russia left working, and automobile meme is not as popular as in us.Meh conditions, when it is wet all year round causes more insects. Dryer and colder climate kills them.
>>2882598I mean stop helping n-mans. They aren't thankful for vaccines and shit at all, and they fuck without stopping, which exactly caused over pop.While europoors have 2 children at best, they have 9000
>>2882407>>2882407I can't find it now, but there was a report a few years ago about the drastic difference in recovery between the average coral reef near human inhabited pig sties and reefs with an absence of human activity. Those reefs without human presence of pollution, overfishing, etc. basically fully recovered in near absolute contrast to other reefs. Also, modern aragonite-based coral reefs have been the norm since the end of the Permian and the genus Acropora - probably the dominant reef-building coral genus on Earth - evolved in the Late Paleocene when THIS was going on:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene#Climate>temperatures rose sharply during the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum. The climate became warm and humid worldwide towards the Eocene boundary, with subtropical vegetation growing in Greenland and Patagonia, crocodilians swimming off the coast of Greenland, and early primates evolving in the tropical palm forests of northern Wyoming. The Earth's poles were cool and temperateThey also survived the PETM which was one of the hottest points in Earth's history outside of the Hadean Eon. Not to mention we're in one of the coolest points in the entire Cenozoic Era, during which this genus has exclusively existed.But no, they couldn't possibly survive half a degree of warming for a bit now. No, everything is going to die due to less warming than the difference between the Wisconsinan Glaciation and the Early Pliocene Epoch. Absolute bullshit. Keep in mind, the same assholes who chant shit like this also are convinced "climate change killed the mammoths" (it didn't; it was just humans).>>2882581Never. Because both capitalists and socialists require the propaganda of eternal growth (cancer) for the survival of their systems. Humans are a disease.>>2882594Westerners waste more resources than anyone. If we're going to focus on who's destroying the environment the most, whitey's ass is grass.
>>2882122That's exactly it. Environmental work is palliative care.
>>2882420I'm not saying Apis mellifera is good for North America. I'm saying spraying poison all over the planet incessantly is fucking retarded and has widespread consequences.>>2882598He's just being /pol/ cancer. His brain is empty of anything but memes from the '60s.>>2882601White males are the worst cancer the world ever spawned. You do the exact same shit as anyone you rail against, except exponentially worse, but it's always "okay" when you do it. Perfect example:>Blacks are criminals who literally kill people!!!>*Submits statistics that show slightly elevated felony rates among blacks compared to whites*Meanwhile, whites literally are:- Literally erasing the biosphere- Kill millions of people every year through their for-profit wars for billionaires- Literally are turning the entire world into a polluted, fascist hellscapeAnd think this is all fine. But no, blacks are the problem because the rap music. Whites are absolute fucking cancer. I mean, how many fucking times has Germany destroyed the world alone?
>>2882724>Westerners waste more resources than anyone. If we're going to focus on who's destroying the environment the most, whitey's ass is grass.On top of that we're encouraging the rest of the world to aspire to our decadence.
>>2882730It doesn't have to be. It shouldn't be. The core issues simply must be attacked. Humans need removed from land and ways must be found to do just that. And any capitalist interests must be literally napalmed. If ranchers don't like a nature preserve, nuke their ranches from orbit. If hunters don't like not being allowed to fuck up entire species, then start issuing hunter hunting licenses. Humans need a serious fucking spanking from an angry god.>>2882738And that's the absolute worst part. It's not sustainable. You can not have a planet with a third world reproduction rate and a first world consumption rate. We can't even sustain just what we have no for probably another 30 years and it's ramping up literally every year.
Found some details on the coral reef recovery I was talking about:https://www.coralcoe.org.au/media-releases/remote-reefs-can-be-tougher-than-they-look>Scott Reef, a remote coral system in the Indian Ocean, has largely recovered from a catastrophic mass bleaching event in 1998, according to the study published in Science today.>The study challenges conventional wisdom that suggested isolated reefs were more vulnerable to disturbance, because they were thought to depend on recolonisation from other reefs. Instead, the scientists found that the isolation of reefs allowed surviving corals to rapidly grow and propagate in the absence of human interference.And another:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/25/the-coral-reefs-that-almost-made-scientists-cry-for-joy/?utm_term=.529e41bda5ff>Most of the reefs around inhabited islands had been colonized by smothering macroalgae and fleshy algae — big seaweeds whose growth was likely spurred by the absence of fish (nature’s lawnmowers) and the presence of fertilizer runoff in the water. These reefs were less complex, less colorful, less developed — a monotonous suburban subdivision to a healthy reef’s thriving city.>But another discovery surprised them. If the reefs existed around uninhabited islands — away from localized problems like overfishing and pollution — they were often able to bounce back from global stressors relatively unscathed. They were covered with healthy populations of coral and coralline algaeThis is actually two entirely different oceans showing the same results. Global Warming somehow isn't killing the reefs where humans are absent. Hmmm I fucking wonder why?
>>2882189Not that anon, but I'm game:1: Hunting, fishing, logging, agriculture, overpopulation and sprawl, (hunting has resulted in a mass extinction event since the Pleistocene all on its own (yes, humans did it; no, global warming didn't))2: Fucking insane amounts of pollution - primarily water pollution which is destroying the entire biosphere's ability to support life3: Introduction of non-native species, which is spreading diseases and wiping out native species around the worldThose are the top three. But there are further implications. Removing all the forests, wetlands and grasslands results in increasing aridity and decreasing precipitation, leading to desertification and more extreme weather. It also results in less ground and surface waters. Many rivers have halved in their average depth because all the forests near them have been logged for sprawl. This results, ironically, in both more and worse droughts AND more and worse flooding.That's just a sliver of the examples. Humans are fucking wrecking the shit out of this world. If you had a child that did to your house what humans are doing to this planet, you'd beat them to death with a saucepan.
>>2882738we have less and less westerners (declining birth rate)and niggers breed as rabbits, chinks too :(
>>2882774There are over a billion Westerners. Far too fucking many. And regardless of birth rates, AMERICANS specifically use many times as many resources as Africans.
>>2882594>>2882774Btw, shit like this is exactly what I've been talking about. Humans, especially white male humans, are obsessed with shirking responsibility for their own actions. Everything is something or someone else's fault. Whites have done more damage to this world than the combination of all other races, but it must be Africa's problem (because fuck hip-hop), when Africa is literally the only continent other than Antarctica left on Earth that has most of its megafauna intact.Whites are fucking cancer.
>>2882724You're definitely right about agricultural runoff and fishing practices killing reefs. Remote coral reefs can be tougher than they look: Western Australia’s Scott Reef has recovered from mass bleachinghttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130405094523.htm>Prospects for the reef looked gloomy when in 1998 it suffered catastrophic mass bleaching, losing around 80% of its coral cover. The study shows that it took just 12 years to recover.That said, your example of past climate change misses the point (pic related). It's something that happened over millions of years, giving life plenty of time to adapt. Now it's happening over decades. The point is that we're screwing life over in a whole host of ways, climate change being just one of many.
>>2882779Yes, I had a feeling someone would say that, however, refer again to the reefs that are far from humans. They're fine.
>>2882724>Westerners waste more resources than anyone. If we're going to focus on who's destroying the environment the most, whitey's ass is grass.Not anymore. China is responsible for the most pollution BY FAR. They're pumping out roughly a third of all CO2 now. They're dumping huge amount of plastic into the ocean. Just about all their rivers and lakes are horribly polluted. Their cities are chocked with cancer causing smog. They're building entire cities that stay empty just to push the growth of their economy.
>>2882736>White males are the worst cancer the world ever spawned.Oh for fucks sake, why are there always racist douches spewing their bullshit on every issue. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and look at the pollution pumped out by China: more than twice the CO2 as the US
>>2882781That's no excuse for YOUR consumption. The US ALONE still consumes more oil and meat than any other country. If you include the entire West, they beat China on most metrics. Stop looking for others to blame based on the convenience of your small-minded tribalism.>They're pumping out roughly a third of all CO2 now.Who cares? We need more.>They're dumping huge amount of plastic into the ocean.Now there you are right, and that needs to stop. So fucking do something about it.>Just about all their rivers and lakes are horribly pollutedAmerican rivers were so polluted they BURST INTO FLAMES until almost 1970. You have zero room to talk. America in the 1900s probably looked worse than China does now.>Their cities are chocked with cancer causing smogYeah, same with America.>They're building entire cities that stay empty just to push the growth of their economy.Americans wouldn't possibly ever do some retarded shit to prop up a ponzi economy though, right? Fuck neo-nazis. They get the bullet first.>>2882784White males have been the overwhelming driving force behind the destruction of the environment in recorded history. You did a pretty bang-up job in the stone age too.Sorry, sweaty. Facts don't care about your feelings.>China: more than twice the CO2 as the USGood. MORE. Burn, humans.
>>2882779And P.S. global warming is actually good for Earth. It's bad for HUMANS. Let me let you in on a little secret, which will become much less of a secret in the coming decade - There are 2 reasons humans keep screaming that global warming will destroy the world:1: Global warming will destroy HUMANS, and humans know this. It will END human "civilization" and probably the species as well. But Earth will benefit from a more tropical environment and the removal of the pestilent ape. So long, and thanks for all the carbon. Don't let the door from Earth to the pit of Hell hit you on your ass on your way out.2: HOWEVER, Humans are still in the phase where they care about appearances and want to view themselves as not being the bad guy (within the next 2 or 3 decades that mask will drop and humans will be honest about only caring about themselves being alive on this planet), so they PROJECT global warming onto the planet as ITS problem, when it never really was. The planet's true problem is HUMANS. But admitting this carries grave consequences for humanity. And baby-brained humans would rather ignore problems than fix them. Thing is, you can ignore it all you want, you're still going to die from it. And the only solution is to remove about 90% of your number from existence. And the remainder can not be allowed to sin ever again under penalty of death.
>>2882780Sure, but we're only really at the beginning of climate change. We know that the pH levels of oceans are dropping and we know what that's going to do to calcium carbonate shells and exoskeletons before long.It's just that near human populations, you've got climate change related issues + pollution and fishing related issues.
>>2882795>Sure, but we're only really at the beginning of climate change.Good.>We know that the pH levels of oceans are droppingThis is more bullshit. The buffering capacity of the world ocean is far greater than the minute % of CO2 in the atmosphere. Again, this is fucking HUMANS trying to spin the very obvious (to all senses) freshwater pollution being dumped directly onto coral reefs into "global warming done it". Now, human offshore waters ARE acidifying, but that's what happens when you turn them into rancid toilets.>It's just that near human populations, you've got climate change related issues + pollution and fishing related issues.And just what happens when you remove the pollution part? The problem basically goes away innit? Take desertification: it's literally only possibly when humans tear up all the sod and log all the forests and drain all the wetlands. Sure, global warming can increase the potency of it, but this planet could be a fucking ice cube and we'd still be having all the problems we are now. Global warming IS NOT the problem. It never was. Most of the history of life on this planet has experience significantly warmer temperatures than we currently languish in.
>>2882792>YOUR consumptionWhat are you doing telling me all this on a computer? How much are YOU consuming while telling me about my crimes?>White males have been the overwhelming driving force behind the destruction of the environment in recorded historyFucking kek. So white females must really just be along for the ride then I guess.No, technology has. Just about every nation that has become technologically advanced is doing the same shit. China does way more now than any western nation, but you downplay this because you're a racist piece of shit who wants to blame the white male devil. Cunts like you are one of the reasons why nothing will ever get better. You sow hate and division and prevent us from actually working together. At least there's a silver lining in the fact that humanity is fucked: pieces of disgusting self-righteous shit like you will die along with the rest of us.
>>2882801>What are you doing telling me all this on a computer?>You're against capitalism on on iPhone, sweaty?God /pol/ was a mistake.
>>2882807>doesn't understand what a massive racist and sexist hypocrite he is
>>2882811Fuck white people. Your death would save this world. I'm sorry if you're too weak to deal with the truth.
>>2882812>continues to ignore China being the greatest polluter>pretends to speak truth and tells people that facts don't care about their feelings, while using selective facts to fuel his racist hateI've never seen such projection.
>>2882113Birds that were once rare and had protective programs are doing btter but a shitload of normal birds are doing worse. Even most seed eaters need to feed insects to their young and with modern agriculture, robotic lawnmowers and everyone wanting to have 'pretty' gardens and streets without dead trees, weeds, high grass or piles of leaves this is what you get.
>>2882814China is not the greatest polluter. It produces the most plastic in the oceans. But that's new. And they're not the largest consumer of resources either. Unless we're talking about rice./pol/ needs to learn that simply repeating bullshit over and over again doesn't make it true.
>>2882817They are like the fat kid that is eating cookies 3 at a time and ate already half of the yar sreaming at the 5 other kids that just came and start to take a cookie each that 5 cookies is too damn much.
>>2882817What's it matter if it's new? It's happening on ever larger scales and that's the problem. And I'm not arguing to ignore the problems of the US. YOU are the one that's ignoring other problems to feed your racist fever dreams. It's fucking hilarious that you're the racist in a conversation with someone you think is a /pol/tard. You're every bit as disgusting as someone who goes on about terrible niggers are.
>>2882824Yep. Literally all propaganda neo-nazi shitheads use has always been projection. They call everyone pedophiles because they won't stop fucking kids, they call everyone lazy because they all just inherit wealth and don't do shit, they claim everyone else is using too many resources after gobbling up the world.>>2882825>What's it matter if it's new?Because it's very new. Like headlines new.>It's happening on ever larger scales and that's the problemIt is, but let's don't pretend you give a flying shit about any of that. What you care about is you think you have an out to blame a group that isn't yours for problems you're mostly responsible for and always have been. The Chinese are no friend of the environment. But they pale in comparison to the history of destruction whites have caused.>And I'm not arguing to ignore the problems of the USThat's exactly what you're doing. Like all neo-nazi dipshits, I guarantee you support rightist nonsense that helps destroy the environment with every step. You just want to outsource the blame. Go fuck yourself. Nobody is interested in your 1950s era retard subhuman opinions.>It's fucking hilarious that you're the racist in a conversation with someone you think is a /pol/tardPic related: you.Now piss off, you little genetic dead end.
>>2882828>And I'm not arguing to ignore the problems of the US>What you care about is you think you have an out to blame a group that isn't yoursYou're literally insane and ignoring reality for the sake of your own delusions. You don't give two shits about the future (pic related). All you care about is assigning blame and feeding your racist fantasies. You're the worst kind of retard: an arrogant, self-righteous, racist idiot who ignores real problems because they don't fit his hateful narrative.
I live in Russia and there's a shit ton of insects during summer, during soviet times there were a lot less in city areas
>>2882832You keep bitching about C02 when I've stated multiple times: FUCKING GOOD>You don't give two shits about the future (pic related)Of humans? No. You have no future. You die. Everyone celebrates. Good bye!
>>2882838>CO2 is good because I say so, despite all the scientists warning is about how disastrous it is>facts don't care about your feelings sweetieImagine being this deranged.
>>2882840All the HUMAN scientists. Which global warming will kill. Humans scream about their own destruction. News at 11. I don't care about humans. Die.
>>2882841You're probably insane to believe that you're not human and that you aren't as responsible as the average person around you.
>>2882102Why would you pay extra for seeds that allow for the indiscriminate use of herbicides unless you intended to use herbicides indiscriminately?
>>2882777>The only race that notices pollution and it's problems is to blame>The only race that takes active action to mitigate pollution is to blameReminds me of something...oh wait I remember...>The only race that ever attempted to end slavery worldwide is the most evil for owning slaves at one pointEither you're some woefully ignorant self hating fuck or one of ((()))
>>2882841Co2 won't just kill humans though fuckbrains, last time co2 climbed like this the Permian extinction turned the Earth in to a world wide desert and wiped out 99.9% of everything. So yeah, bye bye humans but also fuck everything else eh?
>>2882828That comic is obviously a parody of the stance you're taking. But you're arguing too vehemently for your post to be satirical. So do you really think the comic is on your side?
>>2882857Yeah, why not? A clean slate for the remaining 0.1% to evolve into a new ecosystem. It's exciting, DESU.
>>2882854I imagine to bypass the weed herbicide tolerance which is becoming more and more of a problem nowadays.Basically you increase the herbicide tolerance threshold of your crop variety so you can up the dose and wipe all weeds.It doesn't directly increase yield though.
>>2882844I actually do quite a bit to reverse the trend. I practice what I preach.>>2882856Everyone notices pollution. You're nobody's savior. You're just greedy, destructive apes. Get dead.>>2882857No. The Permian was an entirely different event. Continent-sized lava fields consumed the world.>>2882863No, sweaty. It's of yours. Every single one of you double-digit IQ low-bread suburban white males. Every belief you have is far right, but everyone else is the nazi. I'm glad you'll never have sex. There are too many of you as is.
Oh no... INSECTS too? But insects are like, the one thing that can't be stopped
>>2882738>>2882776>>2882777>>2882792You'd best wake up every day and thank The Good Lord himself that whitey decided to stop killing everyone at will. And if you think you can fucking stop us from spreading throughout the galaxy, you'd best remember that we built the world you live in. If you think some sort of environmental mass extinction is going to stop us, you'd better think again. We mass-extinction ourselves every couple decades and we're stronger than ever.
>>2882051>Are we all going to die?I fucking hope so
>>2884943Fuck Whitey. You'll all be extinct soon. Good riddance, you absolute fucking subhuman filth. Nobody is thankful you wrecked the only planet we all have to live on. Die already.>And if you think you can fucking stop us from spreading throughout the galaxyYou're not going anywhere, you fat, stupid virgin. You'll colonize the ocean's depths before you colonize even Mars. And you're sure as fuck not leaving the Solar System. You're dead and you have nobody to blame but yourself. Get fucking rekt.
>>2885167Always amusing when someone uses a white invention (or several) to whinge about how mean white people are. Hypocrite.
>>2885203>You're against capitalism and yet iPhoneA lot of wind coming from a dumbshit who owes his literal existence to a planet he's destroying.
>>2885207Quite a lot of generalization there champ. What exactly are you doing for the planet that gives you the right to judge everyone? Sitting on your fat ass like all the other armchair ecologists? You done anything of value or you just another consumer? Fuck off and play in the forest and stop making a carbon footprint right now you total hypocrite.
>>2885217>Quite a lot of generalization there champ.Oh so everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi? Lol didn't even read the rest of your comment.
>>2885397>generalization = calling me a naziClutching at straws much? And yeah, you did read it. You're just too much of a dipshit to refute it. Everyone can see you're the retard here.
>>2885458No, I really didn't read it. I'm sure it was retarded. Only read about half of this comment too. Your shit opinions revealed everything you know and think on the topic with your first post. Now get ass cancer.
>>2885459>four minutes between repliesYeah, I'm sure I didn't get under your skin :^) If you do read that slow you really are a shitskin.
>>2885469Boy you sure triggered me. That means you're right and good. Vote trump!Lol what a fucking brainlet. "triggering duh libs owned!" is a little past due, kiddie.
This has probably been the most entertaining thread I have been on in years, thanks OP you fucking cuck.
>>2882292Ah yes all these rich Jews eating 20 million times more than the average person
>>2885471Not the guy you are fighting with, but you sure look like a retard.
Jesus I haven't come to this board in over a year, what the fuck happened? This shit is worse than /pol/
>>2885999/pol/ refuses to stop injecting itself into every single board. I'm almost thinking the split was good at this point, because it seems like 4channel is banning rightist pieces of shit when they try to spread their trump shilling bullshit.
>>2882296NUCLEAR ENERGYIt had been, and will remain the only viable, large scale, long term energy solution. Nuclear + renewable is the ideal.
>>2882736Ah yes, I'm sure every single miner, oil tycoon and logger in Brazil in %100 Caucasian.You are no better than the people you are attacking.
>>2886508All the industry in Brazil is caucasian. All the corruption is capitalist/fascist. Any other time you're proud to brag about this shit.
>>2886510Me? Proud of what? Logging in the Amazon? I what way? What are you people even on about?And yes, as much as it might surprise you all the evil in the world isn't derived from white devil magic. "People of color" can be loggers too, especially when you he country in question happens to be < 1% white/Caucasian.
>>2886512>And yes, as much as it might surprise you all the evil in the world isn't derived from white devil magicAs much as you people may want to believe it's not, yes, pretty much all the problems on this planet right now are caused by whites and the capitalism and industrialization they've brought to the world. Though no human group is blameless, whites share the overwhelming majority of blame. And these facts don't care about your feelings.
>its a "species experiences population boom and over-consumes/out-competes other species in it's habitat before the inevitable population crash allows community to stabilize" episode Never happened on this scale before though.
>>2886523It did with Cyanobacteria. But that's it.>>2886527>NOT REAL CAPITALISM!!!
>>2882051The problem is that people need a natural predator.Being at the top of the food chain is doing no favours for the rest of the planet
>>2886530>YOUR SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS IS A FLAWD PONZY SCHEME>BUT MINE IS A FLAWLESS, AND IDEAL, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TRIED AGAAAAAAIN.
>>2886535>CAPITALISM SYSTEM OF ECONOMICS IS A FLAWD PONZY SCHEMECorrect, and you are completely justified to shout it.>"""mine"""I'm not a socialist. But you are reaganite p zombie.
>>2882875>>2882792>Arguing with holes
>>2882127True, but the wild plants do. And the wild plants feed the ecosystem at large. Man won't starve to extinction, but many animal species will.
>>2882168>humans cannot survive if it collapses.They are technically wrong. Humans will survive. But not at the current 6 billion level we are at today.
>>2882738If everyone in the US and Europe stopped all activity today China, with 1/4 of the world's population, would continue to grow and consume. It has nothing to do with "western influence".
>>2882736>I mean, how many fucking times has Germany destroyed the world alone?I'm no fan of Germany, but literally zero?
>>2886433As usual, the libshit sperg whining about le /pol/ boogeyman is 20 times worse than any of the actual /pol/ posters.
>>2887907Nah, /pol/ is the worst of the worst and always will be.
>>2882875>I practice what I preach.No you don't. The internet and casual use of computers and computer-like technologies and devices are both giant power hogs. Your screeching in this thread, done most likely from an unoptimized device, is part of a patter of behavior that leads to the consumption of finite resources purely to sate your ego.I won't say you're just like the Hollywood faggots like DiCaprio and the like, who go on and on about the environment while still flying on private planes to their oversized, energy-hog homes, but you're still consuming for the sake of consuming. The only difference between you and the average NPC is that your script is set to print misanthropic eco nonsense as opposed to post 3rd wave feminist nonsense.