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Can someone explain why incels are so self-hating and stupid? I'm 18 and a virgin, but I use this as motivation to push myself to improve my mindset, personality and looks so I can eventually live the life I want to live. I don't understand how someone can be negative 24/7 and blame the world/women for their celibacy. I used to have this type of mindset when I was younger thinking that I was destined to fail and would act extremely insecure around people. Now that I've let that go, I've seen women flirt with me and people actually seem to care about what I have to say. Why can't incels see that its their insecurities that are holding them back more than anything else? Why are they so full of hatred?
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Because acting like your problems are completely out of your control and everyone else's fault is much, much easier than actually looking at yourself and working on improving.
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>>20321153
So are all incels just autistic NEETs then? Surely they must have something wrong with them to actively blame the world around them, but at the same time refuse to do anything to improve themselves. It doesn't make any sense.
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>>20321170
Why are you surprised at all that some people can be stubborn and self-defeating?
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>>20321170
They're not all autistic or neets, even. Some of them have jobs. They just blame everything that goes wrong in their life on their chosen scapegoats and take no blame for it. Some of them are even hot, ironically, their personality just outweighs it.
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>>20321170
Basically they're just people who constantly sabotage themselves or set themselves up for failure in other ways like falling head over heels for women a week after meeting them.

The real picture is not pretty; why do you think we push self-improvement so hard here? The alternative is telling them what you're realizing here and it ain't gonna go well.
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>>20321145
Incel.
Involuntarily Celibate.
Basically anyone who wants to get laid and can't, but it has become a buzzword for misogynist, loser, virgin, autist, sperg, depressed, etc etc.
There are many incels that don't blame women and society for their failure of a life.
Anyway, you're 18, you don't know shit, once you're 25 and an incel loser you'll understand.
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>>20321145
>why are some people so stupid and angry and i'm so smart and honorable

look, i'm not an 'incel' or an 'incel ally' or whatever you want to call it but your thread is basically just you bragging you have life all figured out. it would be a different story if you posted some useful tips that people who are in that situation could use but you instead made it all about yourself. good job on overcoming those things but drop i would suggest focusing on facing the next million battles you're going to have to fight..

and it wouldn't hurt you to have some empathy. some guys really have a lot of difficulty just being social, let alone getting laid. it's like the deck is stacked against them. because of a million reasons they had no control over. you and me will never even know how it feels, so i can't even say i judge their anger entirely. we're very lucky, really.
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>>20321267
Anyone who thinks they are "involuntarily celibate" is a self defeating loser, regardless of their views on anything else. I've met 28 y/o KHVs that won't use that term out of self respect, what excuse do you have?
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>>20321145
kys yourself asap my dude.
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>>20321291
T. Incel
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>>20321303
You're a virgin and you want to get laid, so you're also an incel by definition you absolute retard.
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>>20321305
I'm not OP, take your temper tantrum elsewhere.
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>>20321277
This isn't really about myself, I want to have a discussion with someone who feels this way and see their side of things more than anything. I just find their mindset to be incomprehensible.

>>20321291
What's got you all riled up? Can't accept the truth?
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>>20321145
>All this unadulterated cope
Say, how tall are you, OP?
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>>20321379
T. Incel
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>>20321379
6' 3". Not a cope.
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>>20321384
Ouch! Struck a nerve?
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>>20321170
>Surely they must have something wrong with them to actively blame the world around them, but at the same time refuse to do anything to improve themselves.

It is very in-vogue right now to blame society for all your ills.
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>>20321361
Incel truly has become a buzzword for loser at this point.
Anyway, imagine if you never knew how to talk to people. You were in class and had nothing to say to anyone, you just froze up, you never learned how to socialise.
And you've convinced yourself you're a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to live. And you think that all the time. Eventually it goes full circle and everyone else are also pieces of shit in your mind.
And you're jealous of people socialising and flirting and shit, but you can't have that because you never learned how.
And you can't learn how now, because you're a 20-something and basically life's over.
You're a creep because you don't talk to anyone, and you're creepy when you try.
Everyone's constantly judging you. Even those who don't, you convince yourself they do because they must, right?
Might as well just shoot up the fucking school at this point.
This is your 'average incel'.
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>>20321386
No, just calling it as I see it

>>20321401
Congrats, that was me. But I don't call myself an incel because I went to therapy, got better, got laid and a good relationship. Strange that, almost as if the only thing keeping them in that mindset is themselves refusing to admit something is wrong with them and blaming it on everyone else
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>>20321401
I was this person in school, I could not talk to girls at all, the anxiety was too much to face. But instead of letting my poor past get to me, I realized that it's entirely unproductive to dwell on it. It's all about confidence. I just stopped caring about what people think and now I can have conversations pretty naturally, despite my inability to do so before. A poor past is no excuse, the majority of an incel's misery is brought on them by themselves.
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>>20321415
Very few incels blame it on everyone else. Most just blame themselves, but are too resigned to do anything about it.
Once you're 25 and still don't know how to socialise, it's hard to keep any hope that things might change.
>>20321416
You don't know shit cause you're too young.
Most 'incels' are either clinical autists, or had some pretty heavy shit going on in their life that made them unable to learn how to socialise and flirt when they were supossed to.
So, once they got out of that age-range, without those skills, the ship had already sailed and they were now labeled as perma-creeps by everyone else. You can't learn these things in your 20s, noone will give you the time of day.
So of course they start blaming society.
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>>20321443
>still don't know how to socialise, it's hard to keep any hope that things might change.
So when you acknowledge you're flawed but do nothing about it, it's easy to lose hope? Yeah no shit.

>>20321287
^ this comment is also me, care to reasons to that since you keep bringing up 25 like it's relevant?
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>>20321145
Why would you want to succeed if you're short and ugly? Why shouldn't I want to kill myself if I'm trapped in the body of a subhuman?

You don't understand because you're a fucking brainlet who has never had an existential crisis in his life.
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>>20321460
See, you don't understand how impossible it is to function when you have no idea how to socialise in your 20s because you're so young.
It's impossible to learn this trait at this point.
And 'incel' is just a fucking buzzword. It used to be loser, foreverlone, hikkineet.
Now we have 'incel', and all-encompassing buzzword normies use to describe any lonely man they think looks kinda creepy.
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>>20321485
Incel has a meaning and is 99% a term used by incels.
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>>20321485
They use the term because it makes them feel better about themselves. Fucking scum.
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>>20321485
Apparently they expect you to put all the effort you possibly can to become as good as you possibly can. Even though you'll never actually reach the level of others.
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>>20321496
>has a meaning
>what is semantic shift
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Basically this >>20321277
This thread has no sense.
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>>20321485
So you can't reasons to the fact that people over your arbitrary age limit won't agree with you. Okay.

>It's impossible to learn this trait at this point.
This is was exactly the self defeatist, blame everyone else bullshit I was talking about. It is not impossible to learn at all - I wouldn't even say it's all that hard. It's easier than giving up smoking, since I've done both. It just seems impossible and so because you think that, you give up.

Stop blaming the world because you're too scared to put effort in. Its hard and it sucks and you'll get it wrong a lot, that's what learning is about.
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>>20321502
Yeah, this is basically what normies don't get.
For alot of losers/incels/virgins call them what you will, years and years of overwhelming effort is required JUST to be on the same level and do the same things normies take for granted and don't even think about, like talking with friends, working, etc etc.
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>>20321145
You haven't seen the way girls actually treat good-looking guys? You're not above the incels.
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>>20321502
>Apparently they expect you to put all the effort you possibly can to become as good as you possibly can.
Yes, welcome to society.
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>>20321510
It's not the world's fault I ended up a broken mess, it's my family's and my fault and I don't blame 'society' for thinking I'm a creep and not giving me the time of day, but damnit I at least have a right to be jealous of them for being 'normal'.
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>>20321511
Read
>>20321521
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>>20321521
What good is putting extreme amounts of effort in just to be below others anyway?
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>>20321267
>>20321443
>>20321485

I'm a 25 y/o virgin and you're full of shit. I don't feel any less socialized or creepier than anyone else for a lack of experience. I've met 35+ year olds married with kids who are more insecure than me in some ways. Pull your head out of your ass and talk to literal people and you'll actually find other people aren't these monolith aliens who ostracize weirdos like you think they are.

You fuck heads are talking down on others for not knowing what being an old virgin is like but its you who are stuck in this juvenile high school mentality on relationships.
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>>20321523
>It's not the world's fault
>It's my family's
Hmmm this is still putting the blame of your problems into people other than yourself, so why specify?

I'm jealous of lots of people man, I'd love to be rich. But unfortunately just sitting there bitter and jealous doesn't get me any fucking closer. And no, I may not become the next Bill Gates but at least I with stay flat broke like I would if I were just complaining about it.
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>>20321529
>other people aren't these monolith aliens who ostracize weirdos
>I have a good opinion of others, so I don't see why you don't do as well
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>>20321477
No need to get so defensive. I have had emotional trauma and existential crisis' for the entirety of my life until I realized I was hurting myself more than anything by persisting with a negative mindset.

>>20321511
That's what you think because you're constantly comparing yourself to others, just stop doing that, live your life with confidence, and eventually, things will pan out.
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>>20321525
Firstly, you're just assuming you're gonna be shitter than everyone because 1) you have a self defeatist attitude and 2) you only compare yourself to better people.

The truth is anon, the only way your life will ever get better is by dropping this path. Sitting here and being angry that you're needy going to amount to better than anyone is just proving yourself right. So if you wanna be correct and miserable, go nuts. But the only way you'll ever prove yourself wrong about being a useless, worthless piece of shit, as I used to think of myself, is by trying.
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>>20321525
Why do others even come into the equation? Is life a competition?
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>>20321538
>Implying you can get confidence out of thin air
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>>20321521
>Yes, welcome to society.
Fucking retard.

With this mentality we should just say fuck the homeless, the poor, the sick, etc. Fuck everyone who ever fails, because they apparently just didn't work hard enough (or rather probably had a bad roll of the dice).
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It’s funny seeing grown ass adults crying that no one matched with them on eharmony
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>>20321536
My point is that you can still be an old virgin and not blame other people for your insecurities.
Don't speak for me.
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>>20321531
Fucked up family while growing up caused severe depression, which in turn made me a loner during my teens and early 20s and I ended up like I am today.
I don't blame my family exclusively, but they played a role for certain.
Funny thing is, before I started therapy I didn't even consider my family issues had anything to do with me feeling like I'm a worthless piece of garbage all the time.
You'll find it's a similar story with many 'incels'. Incel is such a nice word to dehumanise what essentially is a large group of people with very severe depression.
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>>20321544
No, but evaluating yourself on a level that allows you to find your flaws and working towards fixing them will allow you to find peace within yourself and eventually build up feelings of confidence. You also have to realize that being insecure is the most unattractive trait one can have and that will completely ruin any chances you have of impressing anyone, especially women.
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>>20321538
>No need to get so defensive
Fuck off. Some people are fucked by virtue of their births and yet you fucking scum shit all over them.

Maybe I should start laughing at poor people because I just had the fortune of being born to a rich family.
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>>20321541
>you're just assuming you're gonna be shitter than everyone
It's not just an assumption. Most of the other people started putting effort in earlier than me, and - as a result - they are ahead of me. It's like starting a race unbelievably late.
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>>20321542
>Is life a competition?
It sure looks like one.
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>>20321563
I'm not denying some people are fucked by the virtue of their birth. There are two types of people in this world - those who can learn from what they've experienced, use it to their advantage, and better themselves as a person, and those who choose to dwell on what they don't have and blame anyone but themselves for their problems. Relating this argument to inceldom, if you consider yourself to be uglier than the average person, instead of wasting every second of your day thinking about this fact, you should be finding ways to improve your looks instead of crying about it and feeling pity for yourself.
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>>20321563
The only person here shitting on you is yourself.
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>>20321545
No, that's a straw man. Go back and re-read the quote I was responding to and try to make a real point.

>>20321556
Pretty much the exact same here dude. Not abusive family but incredibly neglectful and I didn't get much socialising in, too busy trying to learn to make things edible. Read >>20321415 and >>20321510, they're both me and my experiences.

Incel is not a way to label the depressed, because if it were I would identify with it. It is a label used for self defeatist people who have literally given up on participating in society on the same level as everyone else.
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>>20321574
So? Do you think that everyone keeps developing forever? If so, I have some news for you. Most people plateau as humans at some point. They stop putting in effort to improve themselves and start to stagnate and work backwards. You've probably seen it dozens of times and never even considered it.

Life isn't a race, it's a walk through a gallery. Some people take some time getting through the first room, some people never leave the second. Stop thinking so highly of yourself that you could possibly be an unusual human with unusual behaviour patterns. We're all hard coded.
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>>20321587
>people who have literally given up on participating in society
Maybe they had their reasons for doing so.
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>>20321602
And that is self defeatist bullshit. Incels think they're so special, they must've been the only ones to go through some hardship. It's not the case my dude, lots of people have been through what you have or worse but haven't given up. Strange, that.
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>>20321598
>Stop thinking so highly of yourself
When did I imply I'm thinking highly of myself? Please answer this, I'm genuinely interested.

>We're all hard coded
To do what? What do you mean?
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>>20321614
The concept that you think that you're so different from the rest of society (starting late but no one else could've done that or slowed down) is what I'm referring to here. The hard coding is me referring to the concept we all stagnate when we think we're done. Incels just give up before they've even started..
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>>20321625
I guess I just can't manage to forgive myself for all the wasted time. Also, laziness.
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>>20321606
Not everyone has given up, moron. Some people haven't given up, but any objective assessment of their lives points to failure.
I hope life educates you a little. Some people need a few family member to die before they understand.
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>>20321145
I'm 27 and a virgin. You will learn with time that this "just stop being negative bro and be confident" crap doesn't work.

Some people simply don't have sexual value hence why no one wants to fuck them.
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Imagine never experiencing positive romantic interactions in 26 years, despite them being the thing you try to achieve most. Like someone else said, imagine putting in constant effort and still losing. No one else has ever looked at me that way, ever. I tried and tried, but not everyone gets to win. Fine, just leave me alone and stop with the patronising 'work on yourself and be confident' shit
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>>20321657
Well there must be a reason you don't have "sexual value". Surely you can improve yourself in some way that would make you more attractive.
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>>20321662
>Fine, just leave me alone and stop with the patronising 'work on yourself and be confident' shit
But dude. You just didn't try hard enough.Stop whining you incel freak
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>>20321578
It's impossible to be happy with that worldview
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Are you normie faggots for real trying to convince anyone that starting your life at fucking 25+ has any chance of success?
Getting an education, learning to socialise, all these things, at 25+?
Who's even gonna hire a late 20s/early 30s dude who never worked a day before?
What normie isn't going to think 'what a creep' when someone has no social skills at 25+?
What girl is going to date a 25+ virgin? You know how they think about us.
You're not fooling anyone normie faggots, you're just on a high horse trying to preach us.
I wholeheartedly wish you get run over by a truck when you commute to your wageslave tomorrow.
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>>20321676
>Who's even gonna hire a late 20s/early 30s dude who never worked a day before?
Just be confident and give a firm handshake ;)
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>>20321639
Then learn. You're only wasting more time whilst you pussy foot about, man. You can realise now and have wasted whatever time you have, or you can wait two years and add that on top, or even longer. What sounds worse to you, honestly?

>>20321642
If you believe your life objectively points to failure and you're not doing anything anything it, you've given up. I've met plenty of people who've lost important family members, at a young age even, and haven't given up. Me, I'd be happy if they died, so you're kind of barking up the wrong tree man.
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>>20321673
How so? If life is a competition, would you not want to win that competition? You may not like it, but what that anon said is true. You must adapt and improve until you can win the competition.

>>20321676
>What normie isn't going to think 'what a creep' when someone has no social skills at 25+?
Who cares what people think? I've had plenty of people say unfavorable things about me, but instead of getting offended about it, I think about what they said and use it as criticism towards improving myself.

>What girl is going to date a 25+ virgin? You know how they think about us.
They don't have to know you're a virgin. If you portray enough confidence, they probably wouldn't be able to guess at all.
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>>20321676
>waaaah waaaah waaah poor pitiful me
>the post
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>>20321676
So you'd just rather never live? Because those are your options. Game the fuck up and actually try, or decide that you've lost too much time and sit on the side lines, mistake. I've been there, your excuses can't fool me.
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>>20321687
>you're not doing anything anything it, you've given up
Where the fuck did I write that?

You're clearly just projecting your incel boogeyman archetype onto everyone you disagree with. Fuck you.
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>>20321668
Sure. I'm gonna improve myself into not being a deformed manlet.
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>>20321709
>waaaaah I'm such a victim the world's out to get me I'm incapable of change waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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>>20321145
What my fella >>20321277 says. Some things are DEFINITELY beyond our control whether we like it or not, and the line between what is and what isn't is extremely subtle. Not everyone can perceive it and, most importantly, the more negative feedbacks you get, the worse it gets. It's a downward spiral.
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>>20321657
>>20321662
>>20321686
Tell me where anyone has said "just be confident bro", please.

You guys aren't able to argue against the actual points brought up so you use the meme response.

>>20321671
Nobody has used freak so far unless referring to themselves. Stop strawmanning and try and argue vs the arguments actually brought forth
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>>20321715
>deformed
Like literally or are you just ugly?
>manlet
Plenty of people in this world are manlets, that's no excuse.
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>>20321715
I'm a bald manlet and I do fine. Turns out sitting around pissing and moaning about it actually does nothing to improve your lot in life. Wow who would have thought that?
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>>20321717
Who said I'm incapable of change?

Whoever you are, I sincerely wish your family dies. Then maybe you'll get a hint.
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>>20321709
I never said you did, I was making a point. I'm not projecting anything, sorry bud, literally just responding to what you're saying with the information in my head. If you thin my point is irrelevant, you usually say so and give evidence instead of flipping the fuck out.
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>>20321703
Why would you play if you're going to lose regardless? Sitting on the sidelines is much less pain
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>>20321728
>wants people to die over internet arguments
Goodness me, it's almost like everyone saying you're a piece of shit is correct.
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>>20321728
>I sincerely wish your family dies
Yeah you'll probably need to buck this to maybe not be an incel
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>>20321721
Ironic since you are yet to make an actual point. Just feel good shit with no substance.

And before you start strawmaning saying I'm whining and blaming others... I blame no one. Just like I wasn't born to compete in the NBA, I wasn't made to compete in the sexual market.
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>>20321728
>waaaaah everyone is so mean to me but deep down I'm just a misunderstood "nice guy" even though I wish death upon anonymous strangers families waaaaaaaaah po po little me WONT SOMEONE FEEL SORRY FOR ME REEEEEEEEE
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>>20321145
Anon, I'm the same. It's childhood. You likely had a father, incels didn't. I got a job, everyone loves me. Girls flirt with me. I workout. I eat well. I sleep. I read. I'm finishing school.

It's called willpower. Not everyone has it. I think it comes from childhood. a lot of people had no father figure. But that's no excuse
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>>20321733
Your options here are try and possibly succeed or never try. You are choosing never try. If you accept that, that's fine, but you can't blame anyone, not even society, for your own decision.

Yeah, it's definitely less painful initially to stay on the side. But it's so fixing lonely there now, man, how bad is it gonna be in 3 decades time? You deserve so, so much more.
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>>20321745
That is not a relevant response to any of my points.
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>>20321563
Poor people are lazy faggots though
It's so easy to become middle class when compared to previously
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>>20321746
This is exactly what I mean.

Everything you think is just a projected fantasy of the incel meme. Nothing you've said applies even remotely.
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>>20321755
What fucking points?

>Dude I'm crippled
>Just be confident and walk ;)
>thanks bro
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>>20321761
That person is different to the one giving you actual responses, fyi. They appear to be attempting to speak to you in a language you may understand.
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>>20321745
Alright let me get to the point then. When are you going to grow up and quit playing the victim?
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>>20321758
ikr. Fuck poor people.

I think the lesson ITT is pretty clear. Fuck those less fortunate and pretend that they just don't work hard enough, regardless whether they do or not.
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>>20321765
Well the comment you responded to was me asking people to point out where they got their meme responses from, so that would be a good start. I'm not about to recap all the points I've made in this thread tho, you'll have to actually read for that.
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>all normie arguments in this thread can basically be summed up to 'JUST B MOR CONFIDENT BRO'
lmao, why are normies so retarded?
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>>20321748
I do all of that (and am further along than you, 4 years in industry as an engineer) and girls don't flirt with me. It's not willpower, it's good looks, which you have and I don't. Chad's have a bias of ascribing their success to their own actions rather than unearned inheritance

>>20321752
The options are try and fail (as I have been) or relax and fail. You don't understand how hard it is to lose for your entire life. Society chose to reject me. If the pain ever becomes intolerable I'll just rope; this will not affect the world at all
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>>20321776
>they just don't work hard enough
If you label yourself an incel you have given up trying. Nobody is shitting on those who actually try, just those who don't and bitch about the world not doing them a favour
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>>20321776
Not sure if serious or not but most poor people have new iphones and don't do community college
There is no excuse to not be middle class.
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>>20321784
It's the lack of ability to see outside of themselves. Literal brainlets.
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>>20321788
Sure, that may be true, but you can make up for that with character and working out
Unless you're a literal manlet
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And another thread where we all realise normals have no real advice to give because they're all just dumb NPCs who can't for a second stop spouting nonsense.
This board should be removed desu.
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>>20321784
That's the answer though. Things are always easier said than done but all your arguments are essentially:

>waaaaaaahhh I can't poor pitiful me

And then you make a ridiculous comparison "lel just walk crippled boy" and that's that. You only have yourself to blame. Keep doing nothing though and blame others. That's a very fulfilling life.
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>>20321774
Here we go. Predictable...
Go preach this feel good crap to reddit.
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>>20321784
Please show me where that has been said

>>20321788
>You don't understand how hard it is to lose for your entire life
I used to, like I've said multiple times. I lost my entire life the whole way through until I realised that it was either accept that as the gospel truth or continuously refute it until it wasn't. Therapy helped a shit load.
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>>20321801
The irony of your ilk calling anyone "predictable" is pretty hilarious. Keep feeling sorry for yourself champ.
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>>20321797
Here's your (You)
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>>20321791
I agree fuck them.

>>20321790
I have no doubt pussy will come my way, but it doesn't matter. Your toxic ideas about life are so fucking disgusting.

The pure smugness and reddit tier replies make me unironically lose all empathy for anyone. Fuck those less fortunate is the lesson.
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>>20321808
No, try losing for another 10 years on top of what you did. You're not unique in coming to an epiphany about how to improve your life, the difference is you just had the looks to pull it off whilst we didn't
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>>20321818
>Your toxic ideas about life
Which are?
>Fuck those less fortunate is the lesson
Where is that said, sorry?
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>>20321818
>hehehe I'll call him reddit

What a child you are.
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>>20321797
Here's some advice
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>>20321827
Reread the thread from the perspective of someone who isn't actively stroking his ego.
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>>20321812
Again. I don't feel sorry for myself nor I blame anyone for not being good in one aspect of life.

I can't dunk... "but you should keep trying!!! Maybe one day you will be on the NBA despite being almost 30!!! You gotta believe!!!"

Maybe the best advice would be to focus your life on something you are actually good on and stop being yourself over something you can't control.
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>>20321823
I can assure you this isn't down to looks, altho that's more from past altercations with those that call themselves incels than anything from this thread. There have been men older than you to turn it around man, this isn't a competition. The only one you're causing to suffer is you in this situation.
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>>20321836
That's not a response to what I've asked.
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>>20321823
Ugly people find others all time. Difference is they actually went out and made things happen instead of sitting around feeling sorry for themselves.


>>20321797
You're the definition of a crab in a bucket.
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>>20321839
This isn't half bad advice for beginners. It's got some bad shit in it but it's mostly okay
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>>20321849
It literally is a competition lol. You compete with other men for women. Pretending it isn't a competition because you always lose is maximum cope

>>20321856
I did try and actually do things, that doesn't mean you get anything out of it
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>>20321856
>crab in the bucket meme
>>>/reddit/
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>>20321848
Becoming a sociable person and joining the NBA is pretty terrible comparison. The majority of people in the world do the first, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of percent do the latter. Jeeze no wonder you are where you are with that kind of attitude.

People have limbs blown off and recover, survive genocides and carry on, but your troubles are soooooooo insurmountable. Give me a break.
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>>20321853
You lack completely the ability to see through the eyes of a person less fortunate than yourself. Still, you give dumb ass advice like "try harder ;)", which shows complete callousness.

Think about that when you're poor, diabetic and your son ODs.
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>>20321872
It isn't a competition was over the fact that you're saying plus 10 years. Yes, getting into relationships can be a competition, that wasn't what I was trying to say, sorry. It's more that the only person you're competing with over wasted time is yourself, cuz it isn't affecting anyone else.
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This thread is a combination of people saying 'you're your own problem' and a bunch of people saying 'no, it's totally something else out of our control and we can't take responsibility for it.'

I know, I get it, they're never going to be self-aware and that's the point, but it's gotta be painfully obvious how this whole thread looks. It doesn't help that the first post is just describing exactly the behavior being exhibited here.
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>>20321883
I never unironically say this but kill yourself dude. You're actively trying to sabotage people's lives here. Do the world a favor kid.
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>>20321888
> "try harder ;)",
Where have I said that

>poor, diabetic and your son ODs.
I've made it through poor, physically crippled and the suicide of my best friend, I'm sure I'll be okay when the time comes.

In case anyone hadn't got the memo yet, this isn't the oppression Olympics. Everyone goes through hard times, some harder than others, and everyone else manages to not give up.
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>>20321901
Did I hurt your fee-fees, normie?
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>>20321928
Not that poster but I'm just curious if you're aware of the kind of damage you do to your own situation, or if you revel in the position you're in in life?

From where I'm sitting I can't possibly wrap my head around why any girls or guys wouldn't just want to jump the bones in this thread...
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>>20321928
Not at all. At least all the other losers here will now they are at least a sliver better than the loser who actively brings others down to their level. (^;
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>>20321910
>Where have I said that
Do you deny that that is the prevailing attitude of your borg mind?

>Everyone goes through hard times, some harder than others, and everyone else manages to not give up.
You still don't understand, which is sad.

The right thing to tell an incel isn't to try harder but to maybe accept defeat. Sometimes you just can't get up and it's over. Accept it and move on.

>everyone else manages to not give up.
No, they don't. People are miserable and overall live lives not worth living. You live in a fantasy bubble of Instagram motivational slogans.
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>>20321938
I'm in a decent position in life. I started college and got a job at the same time, a bit late maybe, but I got a nice car and I enjoy it.
But I also realise that it's way too late for social and romantic stuff. It's not 'incel' stuff, it's just reality, but you normies get so triggered when it's brought up.
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>>20321945
>a fucking smiley
>on 4chan
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>>20321954
>elderly niggers are getting degrees at like 70 years old but this guy can't talk to a grill.


>>20321988
(^:
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>>20321954
>prevailing attitude of your borg mind
As I've yet to be assimilated into any collective, I'll have to say no

> Sometimes you just can't get up and it's over
This is self defeatist bullshit

> People are miserable and overall live lives not worth living.
And yet their lives are worthy of envy from incels. These ugly, miserable people are having families and jobs and lives. Really makes you think.
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>>20321692
You will never be the best in the world, and if you think "why try if others will be better" then being happy is impossible
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>>20321988
:^}
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For the record, I have only been called incel by other people. I never called myself that so the meme that it's self-assigned can fuck right off.
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>>20322186
I think something, therefore it is true. I have an opinion. It is truth.
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>>20321145
The type of person you speak of largely don't exist. The term incel as most people have come to know it is a catch all term basically used to attack people who espouse different views, it has no real meaning anymore. But people like that certainly do exist but in no where near the numbers buzzfeed claims and you could really ask the same of any disaffected antisocial subgroup of people , replace incel with any other buzzword for social undesirable and you can reach the same conclusions. Some people just fail at life and instead of accepting that shit happens or their own responsibility they find someone else to blame for their problems. I also think it's rather presumptuous to write off everyone who has trouble socializing or connecting with people as angry or bitter at everyone but themselves, certainly I think these people are frustrated at failing with women and failing to make any real social interactions for that matter but that doesn't mean most of them try to scapegoat or are angry at the world for it.
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>>20321676
The average college graduation age is around 25, plenty of people "start their life out" at that age, I wouldn't expect anyone to fully have their shit together at 25 let alone 18 19 or 20. This isn't the fucking 1920s where you work in a factory at 9 and die of lung cancer by 36
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>>20321145
I never got the birds and the bees talk, everything I learned about sex I learned from porn and /b/ so yeah. That's probably why I'm an incel, at 22 girls still give me the willies.
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Okay, so how about some tips to get my shit together that aren't just "be confident"?

You see I can't do that at the moment. In order to be confident about something you have to be sure you can pull it off and I can't do that because Im unsure of myself in any task and have a constant doubt lingering in my mind.
Tell me about this therapy you had that helped so much and what it's like
Tell me about some of the times you flirted with girls so I can use them as reference material
Tell me how to find a good doctor that I feel actually cares about their patients
Tell me how to socialize better because it's getting harder and harder to talk to people, hell even form a sentence.

The problem isn't that I don't want to try, it's that I don't know where to start. And every step forward just seems like two steps back.

I, maybe we, need help but nobody is willing to offer it and is basically saying "get your shit together"
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>>20322279
I'm not going to go through all that bullshit line by line. There's plenty of info out there regarding all that. Here's something that helped me though. Everyone is constantly worried about themselves. If you do something embarrassing most people will forget in 5 minutes and be back to worrying about themselves. So there's no need to worry about making a fool of yourself as long as you're being nice with people.

Drill that into your head.
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>>20322257
You still get the Willies because you're literally the type of person to unironocally use the word willies
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seems youve got a lot of answers
if you want more...
add me on discord and i can chat about it
cant put it in words
WizardPirate#2480
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>>20321145
>>20321153
People aren't just mentally ill because they choose to be, they're mentally ill because of genetic and environmental factors. If you guys really wanna understand why people are mentally ill you should read about the feral child Genie. She was kept trapped inside a room without any mental stimulation her entire life and she ended up irreparably retarded. Her case essentially proved that past a certain point, it's impossible to be socialized. That's essentially what happens to lots of incels. They're ostracized from the rest of their classmates at a young age and spend all their time isolated in their rooms instead of socializing with the other children. Their lifestyle is the behavior of years and years of damage to their mental health that can't just be turned off with the flip of a switch. It's really quite ignorant to pretend like incels are the way they are because of a simple wrong mindset.
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>>20322044
But, if I'm used to comparing myself to others, and believing that it's important, do I just... I don't know, tell myself it doesn't matter over and over, until I actually believe it?
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>>20322044
Of course you'll never be the best in the world, but that doesn't matter because most girls aren't the best in the world either. Not every girl is going to expect a supermodel as a boyfriend.
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>>20322898
Sounds like another excuse, I didn't have a lot of friends when I was younger because I was a giant nerd, and I was socially awkward throughout high school because of it. I grew out of it now. I can speak to people normally. So I don't think being a shut-in as a child necessarily means you'll be socially retarded.
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>>20321145
ITT: Incels in denial
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>>20323535
Not very convincing since you're posting here on /adv/. Nice try, nerd.
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Here's the truth. If you aren't getting laid (often) in your late teens and your 20s, know that it's not your fault. Women have all the power in the dating market, until they hit the wall anyway, so you're at their mercy, unless you're some genetically gifted Chad or loaded.

You should, however, improve yourself. You have a wide time frame (men's sperm quality doesn't start rapidly declining until their early 40s) to get your shit together, start making some serious money and get fit. Then you'll be able to fuck all the prime poon you missed out on, as well as eventually settle down with a young, fertile woman. Don't worry about being invisible now, most of the women ignoring you now will either end up as single mothers, cat ladies/wine aunts or go through multiple divorces because of their inability to pairbond.
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>>20323565
>Women have all the power in the dating market
This is complete and total bullshit that incels tell themselves to give themselves more excuses.
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>>20323684
t. roastie hitting the wall
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>>20323702
Found the brainlet incel.
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>>20323702
Why would a roastie come to such a place and give a fuck about the opinion of some 20+ year old virgin faggot?
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>>20323803
Bitter virgins have a very simple mind and think that anyone who doesn't agree with their incel cult teachings must be a woman.
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>>20323808
Normalfaggots have a very simple mind and think that anyone who doesn't agree with their just world fallacy must be an incel.
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>>20323873
So mad and triggered just because someone said a simple truth. Incels, never change.
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>>20321145
I never caller myself an incel, but I did behave like one.

If midgets fuck girls, if 8ft tall people fick girls, if guys with no arms or legs fuck girls there is no fucking excuse why any.man should not be able to fuck a girl. YOU ARE JUST FUCKING LAZY AND DONT LIKE HARD WORK.
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>>20323950
>YOU DONT LIKE HARD WORK
Nobody does.
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>incel bait thread
>165 replies and 13 image replies ommited, click Here to view.
Perfect.
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A lot of them are mentally ill, depressed, and autistic.
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>>20323803
>i-if you disagree with me you're incel
the memes write themselves wew
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>>20324043
The low intellect angry incel is not smart enough to see the point.
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>>20323950
Guys don't get to decide if a girl wants to be with them
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>>20324092
And the reverse.
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>>20324065
>a-anyone who disagrees with me is an incel
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>>20324111
What else did you expect when you can't handle simple truths? Incel mentality is literally based on lies. One of their lies is that women have all the power and control in dating.
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>>20324114
Imagine being this much of a mouthbreather
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>>20321145
Now to be clear, i'm not an incel myself so i can't speak from experience. But i think i have a pretty good idea of what makes incels bitter and butthurt.

1) they are older than you. You are 18 y/o, which is by no means a weird age to be a virgin. You still have plenty of potential to become succesful with women. Now imagine you were 28 y/o. Chances are you would be a whole lot more desperate and salty about still being a virgin because in that case you know you pretty much missed your window of ever becoming good with girls.

2) incels have zero confidence in themselves, or they simply lose all of it due to complete lack of success. You seem to be pretty confident about your ability to become a quality guy, which is great. Incels believe all hope is lost for them. They are genetically screwed and will never be able to achieve proper intimacy with a woman. They feel like they are being fucked over as a result of sexual selection and their lack of good genes.

Basically, incels are butthurt because they feel like it's not their own fault. They don't take responsibility for their lack of success and believe the roll of the genetic dice is what determines your success with women.

In my opinion, as long as you believe in your ability to succeed one day and you take conscious effort towards becoming a more attractive man, you will eventually see results. Once you 'give up', it really is over.
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>>20324149
>you pretty much missed your window of ever becoming good with girls
This is not a thing, right?
I mean... right?!
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>just don't be yourself bro
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>>20321401
>imagine if you never knew how to talk to people.
Even mutes have tools that let them communicate. Communication is possibly an older invention than fire, literally part of our biology with the use of vocal chords and you're gonna tell me you dont know how to talk to people? Either work on fixing your deficiencies or accept you're a literall genetic dead, but for fuck's sake fuck off and stop shitting up this place with your bitching. If it cant be changed than I guess you have to live with it, bitching won't fix anything. If it can be fixing then this endless bitching is a coping mechanism to avoid admitting you are voluntarily failing to improve.
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>>20321525
You'll never be the first man on the moon, better kill yourself now
This is how insane you sound
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>>20323950
>a relationship should be HARD WERK
then what the fuck is the point?
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>>20324248
Name one thing in life that comes easily
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>>20324259
Watching anime
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>>20321145
>when I was younger
>18

You had some weird thoughts for a toddler.
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>>20321287
He still is an incel. Not calling something by its Name wont make it disappear. At least be honest.
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>>20324259
Death.
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>>20324206
Well, let me clarify that.

If you are a 28+ y/o virgin, you pretty much missed your window of banging women at their hottest and most playful. I don't buy into this whole ''women love older men'' meme. Most girls who are late teens / early twenties go after guys who are of similar age or maybe a couple years older. If you close in on your thirties, you will most likely have to go after women who are mid-twenties. They are still attractive don't get me wrong, but they are already in slow decline compared to women in their late teens / early twenties and generally look for guys who want to commit to them.

College girls are the ones you can really have fun with if you have decent game and you're decent looking. If you want to participate in that fun, you need to bank it before you are around 25 years old. If you didn't manage to bang young hot women before that, you probably won't succeed after that either. You will most likely have to settle for a woman who is past her ''party years'' and ready to settle down.
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>>20321145
lol kids these days thinking they're wise and shit
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>>20324259
breathing air

for most of us anyway
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>>20324332
All of this sounds incredibly depressing.
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>>20324332
Complete and utter bullshit. I was a 28 year old virgin. Now I am 34 and bang 20something college girls all the time.
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>>20324332
Nah that’s bullshit, I’m a 29 year old, and I pull 16-20 year olds all the time. Sluts are sluts my friend, regardless of age or attractiveness. Just gotta find a good whore who doesn’t know any better.
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>>20321145
why shouldn't people who were born malfunctioning be bitter?
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>>20324782
Everyone's born malfunctioning in some way, and if they don't life usually finds a way

The problem is that like 99% of everyone genuinely suffers, and yet despite that incels are so quick to blame others.
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>>20321800
this is like telling people with clinical depression to just stop being depressed
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>>20324787
>Everyone's born malfunctioning
no everyone has shit they complain about, being born irreparably damaged and being born normal and making stupid decisions you regret are different
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>>20324800
>born making stupid decisions you regret
>no such things as trauma and tragedy
There's just no discussion with you people. Why even bother?

You're gonna be single for a long time, man. See you in the headlines, when you finally cave like the pussy you are, and rely on a gun to do all your work.
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>>20324149
How do you un-giveup?
Is it even possible?
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>>20324332
>if you're 25+ there's no point in even trying
Is that true?
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>>20324920
No. Nearly 100% of the people who post here are under 30 and have absolutely 0 life experience past that point. They think having sex with women at "prime" is the most important thing because they have literally no idea what life beyond your "prime" may entail. Young kids have been spinning yarns about the disasters of growing older for centuries. Yeah, eventually you'll be in your 40s and 50s and having sex with coeds will no longer be a viable option but the autists and virgins here fail to understand the concept that what is important to them now may not be as important 20 or 30 years from now. These kinds of threads are shining examples of why kids with virtually no life experience shouldn't give advice.
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>>20324806
oh so now everybody is not only born "malfunctioning" because they are neurotypical with personality quirks and that's the same as autism, now everybody is scarred as a child and that's also the same as autism!

most people outside Key VNs don't have debilitating psychological scars
most women are not broken rape victims
most men (other than Hacidim) aren't molested as boys
most people don't watch death squads brutally murder their parents when they're 6
most most people have normal stuff that makes them feel bad like the sudden death of a parent or unemployment or bad breakups, which we also experience
>>20324957
this kind of thread is what happens when you make a shitty brag thread and people call you out on your warped perceptions about sex and mental illness
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>>20321145
They're the mirror image of fat SJW feminists with a shaved head. Both will eternally externalize and shift the blame of their flaws and shortcomings. It's society's fault and it's the fault of the political ideology that they're not a part of and also you gotta be sure to try and blame your genes that's a given.
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>>20325000
This desu. Op is retarded.
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>>20325000
>>20325074

Not OP and I can't even make heads or tails of what you guys are trying to say, but most incels are just weak "good guys" who hang out in echo chambers and throw themselves pity parties on 4chan.

It's the feminists' fault, it's because of their parents and how they would sometimes argue loudly, it's because of r9k strawman concepts like Chad and Normies, it's because of cell phones and facebook, it's everything's and everyone's fault but their own.

Incels are not the same as kids who lived through wars and whatever else. Being incel is some top-shelf first world problems that people made up one day because of how bored they were and no one was reading their blog.
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>>20321153
Fpbp
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>>20325090
>Not OP and I can't even make heads or tails of what you guys are trying to say
That's because you're low IQ buddy.

Imagine OP walks into an alcoholic's anonymous meeting and yells "HEY IDIOTS, YOU'RE ALL STUPID. I'M 18 AND I DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL SEE IT'S EASY. JUST STOP DRINKING LOL" Like that's essentially what this thread is.

The fact that you think mental illness doesn't exist, that the experiences someone goes through doesn't affect their mind at all, shows you have very little ability to empathize. You see all those news stories about solitary confinement in prison and its effects on mental health? That's essentially what happens to incels. Years of social isolation seriously fucks up your brain and it's not as simple to fix as you seem to think it is.
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>>20325000
>comparing inceldom to mental illness
Even if most incels were actually mentally ill, they wouldn't go through with the effort of getting a therapist or a real psychiatric evaluation because they're too busy dwelling on how "poor" their life is. Then they'll go on these boards and claim how they're "mentally ill" and have "self-diagnosed autism".
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>>20325146
Because you know the life story of every person you meet, right. Go away dumb frog poster.
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>>20325151
No, but I'm sure the majority of incels don't suffer from an actual major mental illness or handicap. Those who actually do have my sympathy, but I can guarantee that's not the majority.
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>>20325090
no the things you mentioned on line two are all real
they aren't the exaggerated cartoon caricature that get posted on /r9k/ but they are harmful to people
sexual liberation has removed social pressure to commit, it has created an atmosphere of fear around romance and sex more oppressive than the Victorian morality feminists supposedly oppose, people who use social media more tend to suffer from depression because it warps their expectations and undermines their self esteem, charismatic men who have learned how to expertly manipulate otherwise reserved women into sex and abandon them exist and are terrible people, I've heard to many stories about texting instead of talking destroying relationships to believe cellphones aren't bad for us
western culture is toxic and it has alot to answer for, some people are more sensitive to it that others but just because you can handle it doesn't mean the people who couldn't are pathetic subhumans
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>>20325161
>it has created an atmosphere of fear around romance and sex

For you, maybe.

For people who don't hang out on 4chan all day, things are actually better than ever. You should have been around in the 80s and 90s when AIDs was hiding around every corner.

>>20325132
incel is a culture and a lifestyle choice. It's not a disease or anything else. You choose to identify and call yourself incel and adopt the language and way of thinking and everything else.
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>>20321525
imagine a sportsman with such mindset
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>>20325194
>incel is a culture and a lifestyle choice.
No. The fact of the matter is, a large portion of people are simply incapable of socializing at the same level as normal people, and these people are incredibly lonely. What about that is so hard to understand?
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>>20325155
>No, but I'm sure the majority of incels don't suffer from an actual major mental illness or handicap
An overwhelming amount of them do. I think your misunderstanding of the term "mental illness" is giving you the wrong impression. Mentally ill people aren't all just psychos in straight jackets. Mental illness can be having so much anxiety that its painful to leave the house. Mental illness can be suffering from some kind of social phobia that prevents you from starting conversations with strangers or maintaining relationships. Mental illness can be having clinical/intermittent/seasonal depression so bad that you have absolutely no energy to do anything other than the bare minimum to maintain your survival. Nobody is responsible for their mental illness but, to your point, everyone is responsible for their treatment and recovery. The difference between incels and regular mentally ill people is a support structure and early intervention. These are the kinds of people that would have been recruited into a cult 40 years ago back when the internet wasn't a thing. Take a mentally fragile, dysfunctional, disenfranchised kid and pump him full of one concentrated ideology that's isolated from dissenting opinions and you have yourself an incel. Take the same kid and surround him with a supportive family, access to treatment and enough disposable income to actually take care of themselves while seeking treatment and the results would most likely be vastly different. Trust me, I feel no overt sympathy for people who have made the choice to dive into incel/redpilled ideologies I'm just saying that ignoring the obvious overtones of mental/social dysfunction is counterproductive. These people are ill. Its much, much deeper than just simple character flaws. It doesn't take a trained psychiatrist to see that.
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>>20325194
An example, my brother could have lost his job for inviting coworkers to his wedding if his company's sexual harassment policy were actually enforce as it is written or if his boss didn't like him. No talking about relationships of any kind for any reason. A ridiculous draconian policy that does more to obscure what the real boundary of inappropriate workplace behavior than clarify it because you have to shoot the shit with people you spend hours a day with for years to get along with them. What the real rules are are unclear, and this cultivates fear when people are capriciously punished.
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>>20325210
Sure, and these people ALWAYS existed throughout human history, for hundreds and thousands of years - you can see it in animals as well.

But calling yourself an incel and identifying as an incel and adopting the incel language and the incel way of thinking and everything, that's some bullshit that didn't even exist 5 years ago. Calling yourself an incel is officially giving up while blaming everyone else.

>>20325279
>could have

Your brother's hypothetical scenario that didn't happen doesn't mean that the entire world is as paranoid and shut-in as incels on 4chan.
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>>20321255
Honestly this, I thought Elliot Roger was pretty handsome. I have no idea why he thought he couldn't get with girls
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>>20325210
The fact that they do nothing about it despite the fact that the human psyche is like putty to someone who actually wants a change.
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>>20325315
>But calling yourself an incel and identifying as an incel and adopting the incel language and the incel way of thinking and everything, that's some bullshit that didn't even exist 5 years ago.

False. Isolationist, cultist ideology has existed since the dawn of man. Incels are a cult. The only major differentiation is that they have no central leadership. Shared delusions are a time tested human tradition.
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>>20325345
uh-huh cults in general are old, but "incel" was literally invented and popularized this decade. It's a newfag meme.
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>tfw 27 year old virgin and blame myself but won't do anything about it
I know I'm a huge fuckup but can't seem to get myself to do anything about it
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>>20321153
>Implying losing the genetic lottery is not out of your control
Sure there are things you can do to make your life a little easier but having to work 10x harder for basic human needs that others can get so easily give you a pretty bidder outlook on life and society.
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>>20325321
Asian males are literally the least desired ethnicity/gender in America aside from black women. Also he was a manlet.
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>>20325356
no that's still petty bullshit. You've got people who not only lose the genetic lottery but they ALSO happen to be born in a third world country to 5th generation trash pickers or dirt farmers. They've got to work 100000x harder than any first world incel who gets to blogpost all day long from his parents' computer and they barely every complain about it. You might be short and ugly and fat and have a small penis - but they're short and ugly and fat and have a small penis AND they're Guatemalan or whatever.

Playing on easy mode isn't fun, having challenges in life should be something that you're grateful for.
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>>20325365
>Elliot Rodger
>Asian

wat
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>>20325315
no, the point is that everything is off limits
any man could be Me Too'd at any time for saying anything
whatever consensus exists on where boundaries are is subject to radical change at any time if enough clickbait journalists decide to shitpost about it
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>>20325370
You compare yourself to those around you, if you are an ugly friendless virgin in a first world country where everyone else around you seems to get those things with ease, your mind will still be in a severely depressed state no matter how easy it is for you to survive or how many things you have. What an illogical and childish comparison to make between third and first worlders, especially when you clearly cant even begin to comprehend the struggles of others daily lives, and instead of trying to understand them you write then off as nonexistent.
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>>20325420
>any man could be Me Too'd at any time for saying anything

and yet, they don't. You're the one who decides to stay indoors while wearing a helmet and surgical gloves while lining the walls with tin foil to make sure that the feminazis don't get to you with their Me Too waves. Normal people are living normal lives like always.
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>>20325423
So what you're saying is that you should always compare yourself to people who are better off than you and be a bitter faggot about it, instead of counting your blessing and being grateful for how your life is objectively better than 99% of the people on earth.
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>>20325374
half asian half white
still looked more asian than white
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>>20325441
he looked exactly like an Ellior Rodger would, definitely not like a Xiang Zwei
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>>20325429
psychologically, you will ALWAYS compare your life to others. When 99% of people in your immediate vicinity are better off than you, I dont see why you would be the least bit happy for anything in life.
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>>20325424
>and yet, they don't
that is what capricious means you dolt, rules that are unclear and enforced seemingly at random, much like posting on /v/
I don't stay indoors you triple nigger, I'm more outgoing that most of my coworkers
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>>20325474
>When 99% of people in your immediate vicinity are better off than you,

Don't be so fucking narrow-minded then, look at the 99% of the people in the world that live way worse lives than you.
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>>20325489
>rules that are unclear and enforced seemingly at random

it's almost as if inviting coworkers to a wedding isn't the same thing as raping someone
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>>20325494
Not him, but I would prefer being a guatemalan with friends, family, wife and maybe kids over being white in a rich country but poor in every other aspect.
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>>20325452
He had enough asian features to make sure he never got laid.
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>>20325370
1, third worlders still sort marriage out by family arrangement primarily, so no one gets left behind in this respect

2, most people routinely credit themselves spuriously. for example, people who win the lottery often think that choosing the right card was a skillful rather than lucky action. in the same way, chad has easy life but thinks it's as hard as everyone else (it's all relative). for chad, it still appears that he's overcoming challenges due to ability, rather than cruising through due to inheritance

no one would be grateful to be ugly you utter maniac rofl
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>>20325220
Okay then by definition I was "mentally ill" too. I couldn't talk to women at all without getting red in the face and stuttering my words every two seconds. Anyone who says they can't break free of those anxieties is a liar and an excuse maker.
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>>20325501
a consultant coworker DID get fired for saying something innocuous
you absolutely have to be paranoid at work, at school, if you are politically relevant in any organization
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>something innocuous
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>>20324043
Yeah right. I'm the one namecalling here. Aren't you guys calling yourself incels, incel?
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>>20325598
>third worlders still sort marriage out by family arrangement primarily

No I don't think that's right.

>Chad

stopped reading right there
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>>20325573
what if you were an ugly guatemalan with no friends or wife or kids and no internet access
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>>20325796
Not him, but are you saying that because other people have it worse off than you, you cant possibly have it bad or complain about anything? So the only person allowed to complain about their situation is the person who objectively has it the worst in the entire world? Just seems like a pretty weak argument to me lmao. Also Idk about you but knowing that other people are suffering doesn't make me feel any better about my self.
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>kym filename
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>>20321145
incels have a hyperbolic mental account of society and its customs because their minds got coopted from an early age by media symbols lol they're alienated because they don't participate in the direct exchange of epistemic propositions in society rather they experience it thru a more or less self-aware lens where everything is related back to the self as the apparatus for comprehending the social order n its imagery.
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>>20325829
bullshit
they are introverts who were bullied as children and all attempts to socialize were met with humiliation and learned to disengage in order to avoid ostracization
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>>20325839
Spot on.
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>>20325839
Everyone's been through this, sometimes on the reg, it's just incels choose to be exceedingly defeatist and negative about it.
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If you're in the same position in 4 years, you'll understand. Stagnation does strange, terrible things to the brain, add in anonymous forums full of likeminded people and you have a recipe for disaster.
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>>20325839
i was just chronicling what happened to me bro
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>>20325846
Socializing is a skill that needs to be honed throughout your life. If you miss out on a few years you'll become awkward. Once you become awkward people won't want to hang out with you. Once people don't want to hang out with you you end up falling even more out of practice. Eventually you turn into an ultrasperg and you start making threads on /adv/. It's a compounding effect.
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>>20325809
You can absolutely complain, but what incels do is that they look at people who may have had better luck than them, better upbringings and sure even better genetics and then they go THAT WILL NEVER BE ME SO THERE IS NO POINT IN EVEN TRYING AND IT'S ALSO EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT BUT ME

I'm one of those kids that's described in >>20325839 and had to work 10 times as hard to improve my looks and my confidence and my body and my social skills and I eventually did start dating girls and being in relationships and having sex and everything.

It's only in recent years that slightly more unfortunate people just double down on their negativity cause they read some shit on the internet that was telling them it's not their fault and also there's nothing they can do to improve themselves.
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>>20325869
>It's a compounding effect.

Only if you let it. I was awkward my whole life and I was "friends" with other awkward loners and rejects and the first girls I dated were also weird and gross and they probably the same about me but I got over that shit and out of it, anyone can.
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>>20325846
people are not identical fungible interchangeable machines. everyone doesn't have the same personality type, some people can cope with these experiences successfully, other cannot
children don't "choose to be defeatist", they are defeated. they are in a toxic environment and it poisons them.
>>20325870
give me a tip, help pull me up bro
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>>20325869
You say that like I never got humiliated in front of people. Fucking teachers in school we're happy to tear me apart in front of entire classes. I was a crybaby male until, ooh, 14 or 15. Then I told myself that part of why people picked on me was because I'd become such an easy target because, half the time, I was beating myself up and putting myself down.

Shit sucks. That's life. Don't like it, then wear a helmet. I dunno what the fuck to tell you. I don't really want to pull "others have it so much worse" but they really, truly do.
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>>20325881
>give me a tip, help pull me up bro

get off 4chan.

Personal experience: my life took a fucking nosedive as soon as I got into 4chan and it suddenly improved as soon as I started avoiding it. It managed to infiltrate my way of thinking and lifestyle and I'm not even an incel.

I mean it's probably not terrible to post about music on /mu/ or whatever else but avoid all the negative boards and negativity in general. 4chan is full of it.
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>>20321153
this "everyone has problems incels just dont try" mindset is frankly supercilious n shows that those outside the whole phenomenon cant understand its nuances...
the same train of thought is applied everywhere for no other purpose than that of invalidating the suffering of others and it's always towed by those who aren't experiencing the same suffering...
It's always the indelible mark of reprehensible people to diminish the psychological aspects of ones suffering... very heartless stuff lol...
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>>20325902
>heartless
Half the time incels tell us to kill ourselves
Our patience is dead for them. If they wanted pity, the way they went about getting it is awful. And no matter your defenses, you're still ignoring the "everyone has to slog through shit" argument with this 'buh buh some people cannnnn't!' backslide and it doesn't work for me mate. I think the problem you're having is that hearing "you gotta pull your own damn pants up" sucks ass, but you gotta realize we all had to. It sucked for all of us.

If you truly can't then seek professional help. If that answer displeases you I dunno what to say anymore. We can't help people who are terminally defeated.
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28khv, not sure if i'm incel since I've never tried.

Just can't really fathom how I would get it at this point. Women say virginity doesn't matter, it's the reasons why, but this is total bullshit. Their emotions about you change instantly when they find out.

Depression, poor social skills, poor, low status etc.

I find it hard to get over the time wasted, could have been having realtionships/sex with older women when I was young, traveling, friends, etc. I can't get over the time wasted, how would I explain it? I'm not a good liar and starting at 0 from this age just feels like a herculean task. I've been isolated for some long and become largely self sufficent so breaking this feels near impossible.
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>>20325146
lmao I went to the therapist and he told me to get a hobby and wanted to put me on drugs

that was how therapy works?
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>>20325918
Forgot this, i am so sexually repressed the shame alone makes it almost impossible to pursue women. i am horny all day and night and somehow i cannot admit to my own sexuality, i hate to be seen as a sexual being, it feels vulnerable, though i'm not sure what exactly i'm afraid of, it's not only the possibility of failure, it's being sexual at all, and even thought i know it is natural it feels like i was not meant to be sexual but more than anything i want to be.
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>>20325918
>>20325930

I almost never recommend going to see a hooker, but if you live somewhere where you can reliably get a clean girl without like risking a criminal record or whatever you absolutely should.

Even just a fleshlight, and avoid porn.
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>>20323559

Choosing to reject relationships is not incel whatsoever.
Idiot.
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>>20325598
So. Let's make a little tough experiment: Imagine you've been born to a rich, influential family somewhere in the US. Your dad is a rich bussinessman and former athlete and your mother used to be a well-payed model. They are chad and stacy. Now you come into play. You've been born healthy, tall and beautiful. As you pass puberty you become a good looking guy with dense, wavy hair on your warrior skull of your 6'4 body. You have an athletic build and a good beard growth rate which you barely use to show off your jawline sharper than a dagger, blue hunter eyes, fair skin and miring eyebrows. You aren't fat, you arent skinny, you are normally build but you're strong for your age and you can gain mass with ease. Nevermind. Your dick is above average either. Due to the wealth of your parents you sat in different sport cars of which you can call your own. Porsches, Lambos, Benz. But well. Somehow you lack social skills that people might call you the definition of autism. You're shyer than a rape victim, more insecure than a 12 year old scene kid and edgier than all of /b/. You get mired, some hoes want to fuck you but as soon as you start talking and move like a fetus searching for safety they lose their ladyboners. You see sometimes good looking girls watching you, but you look away since eye contact is a nogo to you. You look fine and all but you give a fuck about dental hygiene and crap and when shit hit the fan and you get approached once more it's like EAs Holocaust Simulator 2015 with all those DLCs. Society stresses you. Shouldn't you have lost your virginity yet at 21? I mean if looks cant help you why not money? Is it maybe because you're to incompetent to socialize. Nevermind. Porn, Vidya, Youtube and 4chan are your hobbies since 6th grade. They never hurt you like the girls that don't wanna fuck you.Now tell me: What's his favorite position? (Not judging by the porn hard drive he has)
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>You get mired, some hoes want to fuck you but as soon as you start talking and move like a fetus searching for safety they lose their ladyboners.
Seems you have a warped view of reality.
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>>20326010
>implying hookup sluts don't wanna get used and handled like crap.
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>>20325995
1, use paragraphs nigger

its very unlikely for such a well provided for person to grow up maladaptively. with such resources available, typical development is all but guaranteed, and any straying from the path would be quickly corrected

assuming such a thing does happen, girls dont care about that kind of shit lol. if a chad does something strange it will be rationalised as good in some manner. this could be arrogance (confidence), creepiness (funny) and so on. thugs, rapists and murderers are venerated if theyre hot (jeremy meeks, ted bundy, etc.)

and if the girls do view their behaviour as negative, they will then view it as a 'fixer-upper'; an opportunity to nurture this poor wayward chad. the chad who looks away due to shyness is mysterious; its cute!

i dunno, your premise is completely wrong so i imagine this gimmick question will also be retarded, but go ahead and tell me what his favourite position is
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>>20325995
Attractive people can do no wrong.
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>>20326041
Even when I'm 6'4 with hunter eyes and a 17k benz ride irl?
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>>20325995
Eh, I was a shut-in incel for most my life and then out of almost pure luck and family connections inherited tens of millions worth in real estate. Now I can easily woo over many girls with just my money. Really all you need is money.
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>>20326010
>>20326020
>>20326041
Stupid incel. You just have a defeatist attitude. If you were a real man you would save up hundreds of thousands of dollars so you can get artificial leg extensions and plastic surgery work to make yourself attractive so girls would want to fuck you, but no, you're just gonna sit there and complain. Stupid beta INCEL!
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>>20326041
Wow, women like attractive men! Who would have guessed?
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>>20321145
who the fuck wants to even have sex during the era of #metoo and strict child support laws? being a virgin should be a positive.
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>>20326322
the point is, that physical attractiveness is all that matters
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incels seem extremely beta. they seem to have such a beta mindset

>muh lifefuel

(when they see a good looking girl with an ugly guy) (literally getting fuel to keep living from feeling like it may be possible to get with a cute girl)

imagine how beta you have to be to think that way. thats all that I need to know about incels to know what kind of men they are.
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>>20321988
Newfag
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>>20321145
because all my failures result from me putting myself out there and realizing how mediocre i am
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>>20326355
Yes, if you are attractive, you will get more women. It's that simple. But incels believe that if they're even slightly unattractive in some way, whether that be their height or the fact that they lose the "genetic lottery", they're completely fucked and will never get a woman.
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>>20326605
no, its not if you are slightly unattractive you wont get anything, its if you are in bottom 20% . which is observably try
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>>20326039
Only a small minority of women find people like serial killers sexy, and the rest think said women are nucking futs.
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>>20326638
But that's still wrong, if you're in the bottom 20% you can aim for the bottom 20% of women.
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>>20326355
Yet no incel wants to sleep with a woman who is thin to the point of looking sickly, a woman who is fat, a female dwarf, a woman with bad teeth, a black woman, or a woman with misaligned facial features.
It's almost as if it's ok for them to judge and reject people based on their appearance, yet women who do the same towards them are shallow bitches.
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>>20326777
This. There are men way uglier and poorer than the average incel who never sleep alone.
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>>20326355
That's not true at all. You could observe this if you didn't have your head so far up your own ass.
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>>20326821
I wonder if he realizes that this attitude and way of thinking may be related to why women don't want to fuck him. Despite what incels think, most women don't want anything to do with narcissists and manbabies, even if they're hot. The women that do like assholes are either not all that mentally healthy themselves or not all that mature themselves.
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>>20326777
>implying bottom 20% of women would rather not be cat ladies than going for their male equivalent
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>tfw you have written a 500 page Elliot Roger revolution Turner Diaries style novel
How can I use this to attract a female
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>>20321837
cringe af
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>>20326041
>this fake again
Incels literally have nothing but lies.
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>>20325930
>>20325918
i have very similar feeling
I am already 29....
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>>20321145
>>20321153
>>20321170
Pretty sure most incels have just been told life was a basket of opportunities and then found it to be empty. I think that these young men used to be incredibly optmistic, but they weren't prepared to deal with life at all. I've been stuck smoking weed for about a year. I tell myself I should kill myself every day, that every bad thing that happens is my failt. Yet I'm a disgusting weakling that hasn't yet offed himself. I think incels are like this aswell.
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>>20321385
>Not a cope
The ultimate in cope posting
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Negative mindset is an illness (or more correctly : rusty brainconnections that fail to form different patterns)

Use microdose of psychedelics to rewire the brain ( thethirdwave.co)

Do sports every other day

And vaporize organic weed in the evening.

Its the best way to get freed from vicious mindcycles.
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>>20325315
people haven't always started having children in their 30s, this is new and probably the root of the autism explosion over the last 40 years

you can't conceive of anyone being different from you, of any way of life different from what you have experienced, that anyone who did something you did could have had a different outcome than what you got
you are a self-absorbed non empathetic person, when given a story that contradicted what you claim the world is like you just accuse the teller or lying about it, you shouldn't be giving advice to anyone
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>>20324419
>>20324751
I think you guys missed the point i tried to make.

I'm saying that if you are around 25-30 years old and STILL an incel who couldn't pull hot college girls, will you be able to do it now? Probably not. If you were already successful with women than it's obviously easier to keep that going for years. But if you haven't build up the skills, sexual confidence and social confidence to do it by the time you are 30 or something, you're pretty much screwed i think.
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>>20327629
You replied to a post which literally proved you wrong.
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>>20324751
where the fuck do you meet high school girls?
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"Incel" is the new go-to word to shut down any meaningful conversation, it's a form of bullying most commonly used by people who are otherwise outspoken opponents of bullying and supporters of "tolerance". You call someone an incel and basically put them on the defense, the person can deny they're an incel but then they've played into your frame and the rest of the group thinks less of you. If you say "Yeah I am incel but that shouldn't matter in this discussion..." you still lose credibility. It's a very feminine way of dealing with online discussions. Also reminds me of how my super liberal sister with a ton of gay friends questions any male's sexuality who has any kind of opinion on issues relating to LGBT. It's clearly a way for her to shut down conversation and manipulate the group's perception of a person as that's easier than dealing with nuanced and uncomfortable topics with logic, reason and a desire for understanding.
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>>20327650
Not him but I meet them walking my dog mostly. People love my doggo in general but teenage girls turn into putty around him. If I let them take his leash and walk with me for a bit, it's over. Big muscular dogs are the synthetic oil to any girl's pussy engine especially if he's well behaved and people-friendly
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>>20325839
Yeah that's me, except I have a job and a wife because I worked for it. I live with a chronic illness that maxes out my out of pocket insurance premium every year and I'm still happy . I'm a 5'5" overweight fuckface with unbelievably bad gyno and I'm happy because I choose to be happy. I work on improving the things I can and I don't let the other stuff get me down, it's simply shit I have to live with. Sure, sometimes I'm jealous of my more in shape friends but I dont fault them for it. They didn't choose to be born attractive any more than I choose to be born ugly.
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>>20327689
People do this with the term "SJW", too. It's not just those big bad liberals.
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>>20327014
The funny thing is that a woman did the exact same thing before this: set up a dating profile with some hot model's picture, then wrote the profile of a fictional woman who was obviously a total violent and toxic bitch. Men reacted the exact same way to it.
"aw, you're so cute. what's your number?"
"hey babe"
"i like a woman who's a little aggressive ;)"

Guys openly tell me all the time that they judge profiles on dating sites and apps by pictures alone and only read maybe a sentence of the profile and comment on it to fool the woman into thinking they care about her personality. And these guys are mighty proud of it, too.

Yet, somehow, it's only women who are shallow, and only men can be victims of shallow people.
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>>20327767
And these guys I talked to aren't "chads" or alpha males in any sense of the terms.

I just know someone will resort to that, so gotta clarify.
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>>20327641
No? I'm replying to a post from an anon who didn't get the point of what i was trying to say. Seems like you still don't get it.
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>>20327767
I think my favorite one is the guy who made a Craiglist ad with the ugliest women possible and showed 300+ bot responses as proof that any woman can get laid
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>>20327774
literally illiterate
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>>20327780

>getting called illiterate by someone who uses the word 'literally' as a filler word.
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>>20327777
My point is that the people who use dating sites and apps are shallow and stupid in general because that's the nature of them. The rules even tell you that you're much more likely to get responses if you have a photo, since most people will not read a profile and will use photos to "filter out" who is/isn't worth messaging.
I don't see why women get the blame.

People who are mature, non-shallow, and intelligent tend to meet potential mates other ways.
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>>20327791
I was actually using it in it's correct usage, as in, to state that I am not being sarcastic. I was saying you actually lack the ability to read and write
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>>20321662
>despite them being the thing you try to achieve most
Talking with the the McDonalds cashier isn't trying my autistic friend
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then kys and stop complaining you retarded manchildren
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>>20321797
>anime poster
>NPC meme
>desu
have you consider suicide by shotgun shell to the face ""desu""?
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>>20321797
sad but true
>why don't you just so being depressed/anxious/autistic?
is most of this thread
on a certain level they can't understand that other people exist
they can only view others as themselves in a different hat
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>>20321153
im late but fpbp and btfo incels
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>>20327767
>Yet, somehow, it's only women who are shallow, and only men can be victims
Women are mostly shallow about height, which is something men are born with and can't change. Men are mostly shallow about weight, which is something women can change. If a guy is 5'5 he will automatically be unattractive to the vast majority of women unless he possesses some sort of power status. If the 5'5 guy becomes swole, girls will somehow turn that into a bad thing and say he's overcompensating for his height. If a girl is 250lb most guys will find her unattractive but there will still be a significant amount of guys who are into that sorta thing, and if she chose to become a healthy weight she would instantly be attractive to 90% of men regardless of her other features. If a girl has a plain looking face she can become good at makeup and instantly become a 9/10. If a guy has an ugly face he has to deal with it because it's socially unacceptable to wear makeup as a guy. It's clearly a lot more difficult for a guy to be physically attractive and you essentially have to just be lucky.
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>>20328593
Shut up incel
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>>20328593
>makeup makes women look better
woman detected



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