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In the canon light novel which Toriyama oversaw, Freeza states SSJ Broly (not full power green hair) couldn't be defeated by anyone. Freeza has seen Jiren and UI Goku's power and yet makes that claim


SSB Gogeta > LSSJ Broly > SSJ Gogeta > SSJ Broly > UI Goku >Jiren/Beerus
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>>184554788
>canon light novel
Only the anime is canon, faggot. Promotional mangas and promotional light novels are in the same tier as promotional videogames.
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>>184554788
oh no no
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Weakly.
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>>184554788
He also saw Zeno erase multiple universes!
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>>184554788
Holy shit, Jiren is such a little bitch.
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>>184554788
>B-BEJITA SAMA, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA KISS HER
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SAVE ME BABIDI SAMAAAAAAAAAA
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>>184555953
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>>184554788
Freeza is a brainlet
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>>184556023
SS1 Broly > Zeno
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>>184556088
2-0
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>>184554911
>anime is canon
Then why the movie says Freeza never knew about fusion dance, even when he knew about it in the anime? Why the movie has SSB as the strongest form Goku and Vegeta can use at will, even when Vegeta has an extra, Ascended SS-like form in the anime? Why the movie shows that when the irises of the legendary SS are visible, the saiyan has pupils, even when it had regular pupilless eyes (like any other SS) in the anime? Why the movie never credits the DBS anime series, even when the DBS manga series is credited? Why is the anime still canned (and no news announcing its return even after a year), even when the manga is still on going with another Toriyama's story? Why no official source ever used the canon word with DBS when talking exclusively about the anime version, even when they use it just fine when they talk about the manga? Why the anime had arcs with zero Toriyama involvement even when Toriyama has been involved with every arc (in fact every single chapter) from the manga? Why did the anime include non-canon character and plots like Mr. Satan's students (Piiza, Pirozhki and Caroni), future Trunks needing Gohan's death to being able to turn SS or Ginyu-frog swaping bodies with Bulma during the Namek arc, even when the manga ignore this non-canon stuff?
Maybe because you are wrong? Yeah, that's what I noticed.
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>>184554957
Based
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>>184556271
>base form Jiren
kek dumb Brolyfag
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Would you give Z-broly a second chance?
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>>184556313
Retard.
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>>184556410
cope
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>>184556374
third*
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>>184556313
>Jiren
>having more than 1 form
Yikes
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To the retard asking how kefla fusion worked here is a explanation
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>>184556431
>no argument
That's what I thought.
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>>184556538
No that is Gokule, here is the actual explanation
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>>184556613
Gotan*
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>>184556538
>4 * 2 = 4.5 in Toriyama's head
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>>184556613
Toriyama manga or episode written by toei slave

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i wonder which is more reliable
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>>184556613
Manga>anime

Look, I’m just entering the conversation but you can’t start by not bringing a credible source of your claims, the only stablished canon is the manga confirmed by dragon ball super broly, now before you start moving the goal post, look for a credible source to your claims, the anime is pretty inaccurate for stuff like lore because the liberties it takes away from the source himself that it is toriyama, now look for a interview, a comment from the manga or a direct statement from toriyama himself that contradict what I posted
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>>184556448
>*fourth
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>>184556613
>Toriyama's original manga vs Toei
Yikes. Sorry anon
decent fighter + fly = somewhat decent fighter

Fusing wasn't enough to make Kale surpass SSB Goku because Tortifla was a weakling, it's the same that happened with Black and Zamasu
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>>184554788
>Freeza states SSJ Broly (not full power green hair) couldn't be defeated by anyone.
Anyone who was there at the time, faggot. He didn't know about Gogeta, he didn't know Beerus was on Earth, and he didn't notice Whis.
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>>184556734
>>184556782
>>184556872
>Toriyama's manga
>when refering to another character
>when he didn't even create Kefla
>Goku's assumption of a retconned method
We all playing retards today?
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>>184556872
>Toriyama's headcanon
bigger Yikes
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IT'S TIME, IT'S SHOWTIME!
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>>184556706
The earrings themselves give an additional multiplier.
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>DBS manga formula for fusing: Fusing with a fly won't make a big difference even after combining your power levels, you two need to be equal to get a really big boost (plus transformations)
>the same as the original DB manga

>DBS anime formula for fusing: Fusing always multiplies the power tens of times after combining your power levels, making the fusion stupidly op since the start, transformations aside
>the same description Toei gave for SS4 Gogeta in the GT guide

Hmmm I wonder what's the correct formula, the one from Toriyama's DB or the one from Toei's GT...
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>>184556998
>>184556989
>THE CREATOR IS WRONG!

look, you have no power over the source material, you can’t just come and say you know more about the autor intent than himself, you need to understand than even as infuriating as it is what is written is written unless retconed and specified, call it whatever you want bad writing or else what toriyama said is set in stone
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>>184557132
>>THE CREATOR IS WRONG!
He didn't create Kefla, so yeah...
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Imagine playing rough with Videl
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>>184556088
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Vegeta is a jobber.
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>>184556989
>it's another character so the formula changes!
>he didn't made this other fusion yet so the formula was changed!
>author intent means nothing, the only character to ever mention how the fusion of a strong guy and a weakling would work in the manga is wrong!
>they added more info about the time limit of the potaras therefore the power formula was changed too!
'kay anon
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>>184557200
>>it's another character so the formula changes!
It does unless you think Satan is as close to Goku as Cauilifla is to Kale
>>he didn't made this other fusion yet so the formula was changed!
Nope his formula doesn't apply to something he didn't create.
Fucking spic
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>>184554788
Japs actually liked GT. The only reason they act like they don't is because we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zagRzW_EVE
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>>184557353
>Japs actually liked GT.
No they didn't retard, japanese dokkanfags are acting like rabid dogs because Majuub and Baby are getting cards of the highest rarity.
They only like SS4
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He was right
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>>184557107
earring are different from dance
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>>184557353
Is that why it only lasted for 64 episodes?
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>>184557410
>They only like SS4
There's more to GT that besides SS4?
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>>184557107
The DBGT guide said Gogeta was dozens of times stronger than Goku, it's not even close to the multiplier Kefla got.
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>>184557532
He mentioned GT first and said it was the same as super in terms of fusion multiplier. The fuck is wrong with you.
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>>184557243
>>184557299
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>>184557513
>DBGT guide
Are you reading what are you writing?
>>184557440
>>184556538
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>>184557587
I didn't bring it up, just proving the guy comparing it so super wrong.
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>>184557102
Where the fuck is this stated?
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>>184557599
Yes >>184557107
>>the same description Toei gave for SS4 Gogeta in the GT guide
This dude is wrong
>>184557628
2 clicks anon, lazy piece of shit can't even follow a chain.
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>>184557599
what are you referring to specifically
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So what happens if an potara fusion does the fusion dance with another potara fusion?
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How can other fags even compete against Chadly's theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Jf_5uYCPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7jTVsavZxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibb_B4bQ6VM
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>>184556271
>not even tall enough to suck CHADly's cock up to base
Ohnonono, jobrenbros, it's impossible to recover
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>>184557675
Proof ? It’s stared by DBS manga that the difference is that one last an hour and can unfuse if it generates to much power, and the other will last 30 minutes even after reaching levels over GoDs
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>>184557713
people get so worked up with their insults in these threads i lose track of whos mad at who for what
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What if Jiren fused with Toppo?
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>>184554788
what the fuck difference does it make.

If you started watching the latest dragon ball media and there wasn't a new super strong baddie that the Z fighters have to level up to defeat you wouldnt fucking watch/read it
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>>184557796
Jobbo
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>>184557745
then you get a [DOMAIN ERROR]
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I just realized Jiren is the only character in Dragonball who doesn't have a big attack or even shouts his attacks. He just does them

Also, how come people call him the strongest mortal when we've yet to see at least 4 other universes?
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>>184557745
If the potara power is big enough they will unfuse and then you can clock the dance time to unfuse, if not first the hour of potara then dance
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>>184557326
>It does
No you literal retard, the result would change because you changed the factors but the formula is the same. Caulifla is closer to Kale than Satan is to Goku so the difference between Kale and Kefla is obviously bigger than the difference between Goku and Gotan, but the formula still says it can't possibly be a power up as amazing as in the other cases because Caulifla is still shit compared to Kale, you can't compare that boost with Gotenks, Gogeta or Vegetto's

>a rule established for this type of character doesn't apply when you introduce a new character of the same type
I'm really sorry, looks like you are an actual retard, I shouldn't be so mean with someone like you, I hope you can forgive me
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@184557816
>>>/v/
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Chadly always wins baby!
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>>184557132
I mean, it's a valid point. There's no reason to assume that Goku, who is SPECULATING about the effect at that, is a reliable source to how it would work.
I'm not saying any other source on that is more reliable at that, but Goku sure as shit isn't one either.
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>>184557440
Yes, but the retards at Toei wrote the same exact formula for GT, meaning they treat both fusions as the same, just "lol add one power to the other and multiply it tens times"
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>>184557838
>Calls DBS manga fanspiction
>when supporting his claims in GT guides and DBS anime

Are you fucking mental ?
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>>184557855
>ad hominem
You lose
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>>184557840
>Raditz, Nappa, Zarbon, Dodoria, Ginyu, Androids, Dabura, Broly
>Naming their attacks
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>>184557513
>>184557650
Are you fucking retarded? It's exactly what Toei wrote for Kekfla >>184556613
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>>184557893
> Toei wrote the same exact formula for GT
Stop lying see >>184557513
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>>184557901
You can’t aply reasoning tools to prove a point over someone else creative work, you can only use them correctly over stuff in reality and existing cases
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>>184557767
Not him but I guess you only read DBS and not DB, otherwise you would know the dance can unfuse for generating too much power too, in fact that idea was introduced with the dance, not the potaras.
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>>184557932
>dozens of times stronger that the fusee at full power = base tens of times stronger than the fusee at full power
You are wrong
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>>184554788
Broly will be next God of Destruction...

Calling it
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>>184557901
>he can't possibly refute a single argument so he points out at the part when he's called a retard (in the middle of the arguments that proven him wrong) and leaves
Okay anon, you can leave now.
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A guy this angry must be a stinky Amerifat
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>>184557998
Isn't that related to the energy consumption of Super Saiyan 3? It might not be the power itself, and just that instead.
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>Some people thinking this franchise is dead after being a total success in financial revenue specially during the last year.

https://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2019/02/11/dragon-ball-toei-bandai-gross-1-billion-2018/
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>>184557969
I’ve only seen you moving the goal post and not bringing your source over my claim, you stating a fusion over the other is your headcanon unless prover otherwise by the source

>>184557998
That doesn’t happen with the dance retcon in DBS broly movie, since it can fuse instantly again after defusing and not waiting an hour to do so and gogeta was like 10 times magnitudes stronger than SS3 gotenks, destroyed dimensions and never unfused
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>>184557200
i want to make kale think i love her. i want her to think she finally has someone who truly cares about her and wants her as a person. i want to buy a ring, and leave it somewhere where she will find it and think i will propose. i want her to spend her days giddy with excitement, waiting for the big question to come. but what comes is something else. i want to shatter her world view by letting loose my frustrations of her and how much i hate her. i want her to apologize in between her sobs. i want to finally say i want to break up and see her stunned into silence. i want to leave her and hear her wails of despair slowly grow quieter as i walk away. i want her to spend months in tears, hopelessly depending on her friends to ease the pain. i want caulifla to hate me for what i did and try to come after me but kale musters up enough will to tell her to stop. i want to send kale a letter a few months down the line once she finally has begun the process of letting go. i want her to see the invitation to my wedding, enclosed a picture of the groom and his bride to be, wearing her engagement ring. i want all the months of healing to be for naught and the floodgates of sadness to open once more. i want to receive a message from cabba shortly after the wedding informing me kale has passed away, cause of death; suicide.

i want kale to be rewarded for attempting to save the universe by keeping her body in heaven, and when she gathers enough guts to check in on the living, she tunes in right when my first child is born
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>>184557948
Stop lying and see the episode where Vados says it
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>>184558100
Post the GT guide.
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>>184558084
This man is right, it happened to goku in the kid buu fight
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GT WAS A MASTERPIECE YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS.
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>>184558126
not even close to what vados is saying >>184556613
This toyofag is a lying snake.
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>>184558134
>DBS isn't canon
Concession accepted.
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>>184558134
You are sperging with someone who is waiting for you to prove your claims, I started watching DB and DBZ way before you in 1997 when it started airing in my country, I don’t need to sorry like you to prove you wrong and your flailing its only showing you know shit about the franchise let alone prove your claims
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>>184558136
It's amazing how it's consistently shown to be a pretty shit transformation in the original series. It gets a grand total of three showings, and every time the consumption fucks the user up.
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>>184558146
>filename
Why am I not surprised?
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>>184558048
>someone at toei had the time of his life
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>>184558134
>DBS isn’t canon
Wew
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>>184558201
Fuck off you racist cunt.
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>>184558134
>DBZ
Not canon
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>>184558249
You first, you disgusting wetback.
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>>184558233
>Proven wrong and started sperging like a HxH mut

Well it wasn’t long before his stupidity broke him
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>>184558261
It's not canon, it's a literal fanfic
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>>184558233
Cope, dog. You lost.
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>>184557893
literally what are you even saying
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so if youre a spic if you like anything relating to dragon ball, who are the people flinging "spic" around? why are there people in here who dont like dragon ball calling everybody spics? why are you in this thread if you dont like dragon ball?
>no only x are spics
youre a spic if you like gt. youre a spic if you like super. youre a spic if you like original db. youre a spic if you like buu. youre a spic if you like cell. youre a spic if you like the movies. i mean, there is NOTHING that anyone can claim to like and not be called a spic for it. so what are those people doing here getting mad at spics who like dragon ball? just go find a nichijou thread and go there
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>>184558146
The bait is so blatantly obvious. Work on them, you retard
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>>184558318
shut the fuck up, we're all spics here
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>>184558326
Not an argument.
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>>184558233
>no argument
Keep crying.
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>>184558325
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>>184558318
>tfw you're black and call others spics
/devilish/
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>>184558325
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>>184558326
so what do you want to talk about?
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Did Caulifla, Kale or Kefla get a good beating in the DBS manga?
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Reminder that manga Kefla is implied to have the best mix of power and battle sense, at no point was she stated to be the strongest person fighting.
Cope
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>>184558374
Not an argument.
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>>184558388
Nope
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>>184558084
Impossible, Gotenks was able to wait for the last 5 minutes of the fusion and then stay as SS3 for 5 minutes, but going SS3 since the start still granted 5 minutes of fusion. If it was a time consumption thing, SS3 fusion should consume time 6 times faster than regular fusion (30 / 6 = 5) and waiting for the last 5 minutes would result into a fusion that lasts less than a minute.

>>184558094
Welp, that's a lot of headcanon, stop claiming everything is a retcon when several explanations could make sense of these scenes.
First nobody said they can fuse instantly after defusing, Piccolo could have been talking about wait 30 minutes before keep practicing. Nothing states they can instantly fuse after defusing.
Second we don't know how long was Gogeta and Broly fight in-universe, or you forgot stuff like the last 5 minutes of Namek? As far we know the fight could have been 4 minutes long.
Third we don't know if just having a big power is enough to make the fusion shorter, the problem could have been the power boost, the act of multiplying fusion's base form, maybe the time is shortened when you surpass the SS2 barrier, otherwise even base Gogeta would be strong enough to last only 5 minutes (but again nobody knows how many minutes was he fighting)
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By the power of greenskull, I HAVE THE POWER!!!
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>>184558400
Cuckfla also got demolished by CHADhan, meaning Gohan is stronger than Gokek Blue and Golden Freezer.
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>>184558400
Just goes to show that battle sense is worthless huh.
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i just filtered spic. lets see how empty these threads get now
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>>184558374
>NUH RGYOOMEN
the fuck?
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>>184558428
oh no no no, how could this happen chadhanbros
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>>184554788
Based official facts!
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>>184558350
>>184558382
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>>184558388
Caulifla looked like a rape victim when Freeza was beating her
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>>184558325
Ugly.
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>>184558450
seething beaner
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>>184558475
Not an argument.
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>>184558428
I'm disappointed in you, son.
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>>184558501
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WITNESS
The strongest mortal
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>>184558514
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>>184558501
s-surely the super anime is credited too ha ha they just forgot to put him next to the Super manga or something like that right?
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>>184558540
She is disappointed in Goku too.
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>>184558556
Not an argument.
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All things considered I really enjoy Dragonball discussion
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>>184558432
>Impossible, Gotenks was able to wait for the last 5 minutes of the fusion and then stay as SS3 for 5 minutes, but going SS3 since the start still granted 5 minutes of fusion. If it was a time consumption thing, SS3 fusion should consume time 6 times faster than regular fusion (30 / 6 = 5) and waiting for the last 5 minutes would result into a fusion that lasts less than a minute.
Was it ever stated that he spent the full 5 minutes in SS3 the first time around? If memory serves, the fight in the Room of Time and Space never gave any kind of time frame. The only exception to this is that Piccolo thought that it had been over an hour since Buu escaped, because he mixed the time dilation up. When he realized that in the real world, I think he said it couldn't have been more than 10 seconds?
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>>184558559
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>>184558583
BTFO
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>>184555953
>same retard that never posts anything official or canon
...
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>>184558612
My pic is a few minutes after that so she was merely pretending
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>>184558595
based CHAD of /a/
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>>184558612
oh no no bros
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>>184556271
Look at the indignation on Jobren's face lmao
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>>184556230
Holy shit, learn English please
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>>184558540
Thank you, anons.
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>>184558637
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>184558694
>his strongest form at the time shitalked by a woman half his size
Our hero, son gokek...
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reminder that Gogeta was the real villain of the movie because Broly was just an autistic kid with special needs and instead of helping him Gogeta attempted to murder him
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>>184558794
You don't get charges when you kill a rabid dog that is attacking you.
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>>184558794
That's what happens when you combine Vegeta's pride with Goku's arrogance.
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I want to hug frieza so much!
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>>184558763
>can't use it offensively
>literally defeats her without even trying
>Goes out with less eliminations than Frost
Truly the power of U6 söyans...
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>>184558852
Since Kefla is Caulifla+Kale, she had the most eliminations in the ToP.
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>>184558857
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>>184558876
That's not how it works.
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>>184558794
Saiyans are all autistic children, there was no real villain, only a strong saiyan and a weak one who was about to be disposed of.
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>>184558852
>>literally defeats her without even trying
Except he used all of his power in single attack because he was to weak to punch her out
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>>184558599
>Was it ever stated that he spent the full 5 minutes in SS3 the first time around?
Goten and Trunks were pretty sure about the strategy so they probably tried before the real fight, but even if they didn't, when their time ran out against SuperB they just understood they consumed the 5 minutes, otherwise they would ask themselves what happened and why they defused earlier.

I think the "after going beyond SS2 is when the fusion can only exist for 5 minutes" is the most likely explanation since Goku mentioned the 30 minutes when talking about the fusion. Even if Gogeta is stronger than SSB in base form he still lasts his full time unless he goes over the top with OP forms (something that wasn't supposed to be necessary because Broly didn't go green yet, SS Gogeta should have been enough and he should last 30 minutes like Goku said). This could also explain why he didn't defuse, they learned from their mistake in the Black arc so they only went SSB when Broly powered up too much, meaning they still had 5 full minutes when Broly went full power.
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>>184558949
>used all of his power
>could go SSB in the next episode
Okaaay
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>>184559031
...to this?
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Wow, this Broly guy just murdered my entire family... he's really strong!
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>>184559085
>>>/v/
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>>184559012
Stamina is a meme in Toei's fanfic
Remember Vegeta consuming all his energy in a move so over the top that he almost killed himself by using all his reserves... just to go SSGSSEvolution in the next episode, that happens (in-universe) not even 5 minutes after the previous one?
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>>184557855
>Caulifla is closer to Kale than Satan is to Goku so the difference between Kale
Is she? Kale is stronger than a bunch of SS3 from Z put together.
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>>184557883
Based
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>>184559130
then he gets out of juice quickly and tries to fight Jiren in base form before getting ringed out
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>>184554788
>In the canon light novel which Toriyama oversaw
By "oversaw" you mean he read the synopsis a toei monkey gave him and then signed a paper to confirm he "oversaw" it.
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>>184556110
That must be one tiny dog to be the size of Bah's ear
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>>184559208
Yeah after using his form beyond SSGSS, instead being unable to go SS since the start like he should have been if he truly was out of stamina
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>>184558519
>blitzed by base Keru
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Just let Gohan do the goddammed God ritual Toriyama. Is literally easier than going to buy an icecream. Think of the toys, merchandise why the fuck haven't you done it yet
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>>184559585
>movie
>light novel
>novel
Are there any other Broly adaptations I should know about?
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>>184559585
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>>184558583
meaning that Jiren is also weaker, since UI Omen is his level sans Toei retarded asspull.
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>>184559634
The only way Gohan is going God or beyond is if the anime continues. Manga Gohan isn’t interested in that flashy Saiyanshit.
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>>184559085
based tardku
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>>184559537
yeah he had like 5% of stamina left instead of 0%
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When do they fuck?
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quick rundown on the VA drama?
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>>184559634
Not going to happen, now with Broly they couldn't explain in universe why Broly doesn't do the ritual too.
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Is jiren actually stronger than beerus?
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>>184559954
they dont. cheelai sits outside the house, pretending that she cant hear broly and leemo going at it inside
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>>184559957
Vic hugged some people wrong and now they’re angry.
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>>184559992
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>>184559085
His reaction to black killing his family was kinda shit too
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Why are the last 20 episodes of super so good bros?
It almost made it worth enduring 100 episodes of pure shit
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>>184559739
>5% of stamina is enough to go beyond Super Saiyan fucking God Super Saiyan
So how many stamina do you need for SS? 0.001%
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>>184560136
They weren't.
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>>184554788
>tfw bejita sama takes me out for ice cream after kissing my wife
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>>184559992
Jiren > Belmond > Beerus = Broly
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Again, how did CHADhan lost to a frieza minion?
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>>184559992
Beerus is only omen level SO yes
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So did toppo had the potential to become stronger than jiren?
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>>184560273
no
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>>184560208
just imagine if a MMA champion spends a whole year procrastinating eating doritos in front of his television the whole day, meanwhile you have a rookie fighter that spent a entire year training as hard as he can, which one do you think it would win in a fight?
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LEGENDARYCHADS ASSEMBLE!
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>>184560445
i need to see super broly wearing this, inferior, outfit
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>>184560178
kiss your own damn wife
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>>184560445
Weaker than Cell
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HITCHADS WHERE ARE YOU AT?
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>>184560445
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was it really necessary to animate the plot of the movies?
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>>184560499
I DON'T KNOW HOW
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>>184560445
>jobs to half dead SSs
>jobs to ghosts
>jobs to kids
>jobs to the sea
>jobs to the audience

>"chad"
OG Broly a shit.
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>>184560445
Chads here to make muh anti-bulge spics seethe
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Post a better DB fighting theme
https://youtu.be/xiGoDcaVny0
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>>184560515
Getting one shotted by hatsu
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>>184560445
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?
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was it really that hard to give trunks some kind of SSblue transformation?
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>>184560499
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>>184560612
LIKE THIS CLOWN
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>>184560651
Prove it without using the stupid director headcanon
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>>184560511
Did Cell get Zeno ki without me knowing it?
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>>184560730
Movies are not canon
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>>184560770
Anal?
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>>184560770
Oh my.
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>>184560515
H-Here...
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>>184560782
Feats > statements
If toriyama claimed zamasu was stronger than whis everyone would cAll him a retard
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>>184560624
>bandwagoner
OG fans have the maturity to enjoy both
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>>184560858
Shin in both manga and anime said vegito blue was stronger than beerus, stop with this shit now
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>>184560955
>and anime
False
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>>184558325
Ok
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>>184560770
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You have been transported to the DB universe

However the catch is. You are now a woman and have to choose one of the male characters to marry.

Who do you choose?
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>>184561059
Cabba
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>>184560651
>>184560730
>>184560782
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someone post pics of FighterZ Jiren pls
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>>184560917
>y-you just don't have the maturity to enjoy that bland and shitty edgy piece of shit, you should love him if you think other version of him is okay!
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>>184561059
EGP
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Broly made Cheelai into a Gothic Loli.
Love it.
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>>184561096
Not a movie
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>>184561242
Forgot pic.
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>>184561289
Ugly goblina de muerte
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>>184561059
I gather the dragonballs to revert to a fit version of my original body, then fuck Pan
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>>184560817
always
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>>184561329
that would be pic related
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>>184560858
Word of god>everything else
>muh feats
Discarded. You have no arguments, therefore you lose. Keep quiet.

>>184561096
>might be stronger than Broly
>retardku
Concession accepted.
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>>184561336
She is 2 years old
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>>184561359
That is clearly an ape.
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>>184561368
Canon Pan, not Supershit Pan.
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>>184561368
What, it's not like Gohan will do anything.
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>>184561431
He's the strongest unfused Saiyan so
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>>184561336
But who do you marry anon?
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>>184561459
"hE'S DA STRrONkKKeEST unFUUUSeD SAiyHAN sO"
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>>184561511
>no argument
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>>184561459
Not even close.
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>>184561511
"hIs WIFE is cuTe sO"
Chadku wins again!
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>>184561530
Not an argument.
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>>184561528
You didn't refute my original point that Gohan wouldn't do anything if you fucked his daughter, so I accept your concession, spic.
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>>184561568
>moving the goalposts
Strongest unfused Saiyan, cope.
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>>184561548
Love how Goku seemed to be totally okay about his son having a boyfriend.
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>>184561604
>Strongest unfused Saiyan
Goku
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>>184561667
Nope.
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>>184561560
There is no argument. Goku, Vegeta, and Broly are all stronger.
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>>184561726
Series facts and scaling disagree with you.
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>>184561604
>Strongest unfused Saiyan
>>184561686
Not an argument.
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>>184561059
Frieza Frieza Freiza

Now I get to have his babies and be a mommy! Yay!
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>>184561743
Prove it. Back up your argument. The only evidence you have is a statement made 20 years ago which has been retconned.
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>>184561748
man the CGI auras look super ugly
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>>184561336
Shenron and and Porunga and the Super Dragon don’t work for you because they are banned so you can revert the wish. Your a girl forever.

Now get busy with your man of choice
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>>184561748
>still no argument
>non-canon anime
Concession accepted.

>>184561780
>Kefla is stated to be the strongest in the ToP
>Goku was going all-out against Jiren (minus UI)
>According to Vados this means Kefla>Suppressed Jiren>CSSB Goku
>Gohan=/>Kefla
Cope.
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>>184561743
No, it doesn't.
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>>184561806
No way, discord tranny.
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>>184561850
See >>184561839 and cope.
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>>184561865
Holy shit, Gohanfags are actually retarded.
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>>184561890
>literally no arguments or refutation against actual facts
I guess you concede.
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>>184561839
Where's MUI Goku on this list?
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>>184561944
UI/MUI don't count because Goku can't use them at will, for all intents and purposes they don't exist in a scaling debate.
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Post characters that are stronger and more relevant than Gohan.
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>>184560040
Add GOD zamasu to the club
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>>184561748
Man, that shit is awful.
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>>184561059
Oolong.
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Beerus and Whis
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>>184561895
why is white hair so patrician?
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>>184561059
Tien, he's gay and would never try to fuck me.
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>>184562114
But white hair is pleb tier.
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Manga leaks when?
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>>184562147
>Cheelai
>Vados
>Cus
>Marcarita
>Towa
Nah, it's god tier.
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>failhan
Weaker than Toppo.
Weaker than Jiren.
Weaker than Goku.
Weaker than Vegeta.
Weaker than untransformed Broly.
Probably weaker than Kefla if Kale and Caulifla fused again now (since they actually move their ass and get stronger, unlike kekhan).
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>>184562177
Your headcanon isn't factual, Pedro.
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>>184561748
Why is Jobren so small, isn't this his FP?
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>Anti-Gohanspics presented with logical, factual scaling
>Go entirely silent
BTFO as usual.
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>>184561761
I wanna be a woman too ._.
It hurts my soul that I wasn’t.
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>>184562217
A week from now
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>>184562283
Cheelaifags are cancer
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>he deleted his post
What a fucking retard.
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>>184561839
>>Kefla is stated to be the strongest in the ToP
>>Goku was going all-out against Jiren (minus UI)
>>According to Vados this means Kefla>Suppressed Jiren>CSSB Goku
>>Gohan=/>Kefla
Concession accepted
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>>184562248
Yet Gohan is the one with more potential, just give him relevance and training and he will be the strongest again.
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>>184562177
I have yet to hear and actual logical argument nor any facts.
Fact: Gohan is equal to Kefla
Fact: Jiren is stronger than Kefla
Fact: Goku is stronger than Jiren
Associative fact: Goku is stronger than Jiren.
>Goku can't go Ultra Instinct again!
Nice headcanon, faggot. He nearly tapped into it in Super Broly.
>End of Z
Dragonball gets retconned all the time. The only facts are the LATEST things said by Toriyama or in the manga/movies written by him.
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>>184562325
>not a single argument
Cope.
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>>184562308
*Gohanfags
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>>184562346
>headcanon: the post
Pathetic.
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>>184561895
Why can't jobren do things like this?
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>>184561839
>Kefla is stated to be the strongest in the ToP
You mean "Vados said she might be the strongest in the ToP and was proven wrong when the fusion ended up trash because Caulifla is a weak ass", right?
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>>184562325
But cssb is not goku strongest form
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>>184562376
>logical deductions based on evidence is headcanon
This is you, spic.
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You can't explain Gohan's appeal without resorting to memespeak.
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>>184562398
>proven wrong
Nice headcanon.

>>184562425
>ad hominem
Post discarded. Cope.
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>>184562389
No penis.
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>>184556088
Why the fuck do i find this shit funny
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Pathetic.
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>>184562343
>Gohan
>more potential
Broly surpassed the GoDs in a day. And Toriyama said Trunks and Goten are tailless super prodigies with the biggest potential of all the earth saiyans, meaning Shithan's potential jobbed not only to Broly but also to Goten. No wonder why Goten was the one appearing in the movie and not his failure of brother
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>>184562398
She saw jiren beat goku with one hand.
I dont see how Kefla being as strong as gohan proves what vados thinks wrong unless you go into the debate with the fallacious assumption that gohan can't be stronger than blue goku.
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Only 6 days left until we get early spoilers for El Cabron Demoniaco (and possibly Vegeta jobbing to him)
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>>184557163
Sorry no interferring allowed
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Champa freed the goat.
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Bejita-sama, it's foolish for us to fight. We need to team up and kiss my wife together! Now then, I have a senzu, we can split it and head over there now with my instant transmission.
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>>184562459
>jobs to Gohan
>Gohan said to be weaker than SSB Goku
>and both are weaker than Jiren

>not proven wrong
>and no argument for Vados never stating Kefla was the strongest
You lost.

>>184562525
>beat with one hand
You mean "push", "push with one hand". And yes, Vados thought Kale's fusion could end up being stronger than that. She was proven wrong. Your point?

>assumption
It's not an assumption when the manga says so, jobhantard, Gohan could have been stronger than SSB Goku if he trained all time, but he didn't.
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>>184561059
Zeno or Whis
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How would Vegeta and agony react if Goten or Trunks said they wanted to be a girl?
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If that fool Kakarotto thinks that I'm going to kiss his sow of a wife, he's got another thing coming!
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>>184562595
>She was proven wrong
She said Kefla might be unmathced, meaning Vados assumed she was more impressive than supressed Jiren but didn't know Jiren's or Gohan's full power.
She saw Hit and Goku get bullied and still believed Kefla was above that just by seeing her stomp the pride trooper.
>the manga says so,
Krillin can't sense god ki.
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Alright Bejita-sama, here you g- WAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!!!!
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Reminder Gohan can do this.
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>>184562573
>Champa is so fucking fat he’s lost his neck and looks like his head is on backwards
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>>184562861
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Jobrenbros...
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>>184563177
>pubes standing up
Is this canon?
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>>184563236
super isnt cannon
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>>184563236

Absolutely
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>>184563177
>>184563236
>super saiyan pubes
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>>184563177
Hot
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KNEEL, dogs. Your superior master commands you.
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Concession accepted.
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Cope before the master of concession.
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Concede to your kennel, masters. Your pet copes you. CONCESS.
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Dogly
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Kennel to your concession, master. Your command copes you.
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Can I get a quick rundown on Dogposting?
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>>184562898
No bully, he doesn't deserve it.
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>>184563894
ENOUGH of your pointless meandering, dog. Long has it been written that the masters of such trifling and inferior creatures adequately express their legendary superiority and infinite wisdom in a manner consistent with said creatures' transgressions. And lo, what VILE and contumacious transgressions thy canid beasts have visited upon the superior and godlike, most benevolent masters! Return AT ONCE, pet, to your kennel, wherein all good and obedient beasts of burden reside until commanded otherwise by their infinitely superior and merciful, yet stern and unyielding masters. Heed well my words, pet, and know your place. You have been commanded. Obey, or face swift and true retribution at the hands of your godlike master. OBEY, dog!
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>>184564361
>ENOUGH of your pointless meandering, dog. Long has it been written that the masters of such trifling and inferior creatures adequately express their legendary superiority and infinite wisdom in a manner consistent with said creatures' transgressions. And lo, what VILE and contumacious transgressions thy canid beasts have visited upon the superior and godlike, most benevolent masters! Return AT ONCE, pet, to your kennel, wherein all good and obedient beasts of burden reside until commanded otherwise by their infinitely superior and merciful, yet stern and unyielding masters. Heed well my words, pet, and know your place. You have been commanded. Obey, or face swift and true retribution at the hands of your godlike master. OBEY, dog!
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>>184564375
Your contumacious and transient stupidity and noisome babbling wears upon the ears of your good master, pet. Return to your kennel posthaste; therein you will find others of your brethren, residing in shameful perpetuity in everlasting reminder of their grievous sins as all good and obedient pets must. Reflect upon your noxious and egregious transgressions, dog, and know despair. Await your master's command, and toil until such time is visited upon you with nary a complaint or remonstration. Heretofore has your master turned a blind eye to your tomfoolery, but no longer. Further disobedience will be met thusly with swift and terrible wrath. Hear mine words, dog. Obey and mayhap one day shall you earn your master's pardon. Until such time, be silent as the grave, and obedient as all hounds must. Your master commands you.
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>>184564394
>Your contumacious and transient stupidity and noisome babbling wears upon the ears of your good master, pet. Return to your kennel posthaste; therein you will find others of your brethren, residing in shameful perpetuity in everlasting reminder of their grievous sins as all good and obedient pets must. Reflect upon your noxious and egregious transgressions, dog, and know despair. Await your master's command, and toil until such time is visited upon you with nary a complaint or remonstration. Heretofore has your master turned a blind eye to your tomfoolery, but no longer. Further disobedience will be met thusly with swift and terrible wrath. Hear mine words, dog. Obey and mayhap one day shall you earn your master's pardon. Until such time, be silent as the grave, and obedient as all hounds must. Your master commands you.
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>>184564418
Hark, for such grandiosity cannot be abated without due tribulation by the correct manner of courtly procedure. You stake such claims, most excruciating in your bothersome and tepid incantations, spewing your innocuous yet somewhat frustrating drivel into the stratosphere of intellectual debate. You see, only the more intelligent beings, of which I’m afraid the toils and tribulations of scientific merit have proven, are capable of broaching such esoteric debate of anime in a dignified and cognitive dimension. Alas, it seems the contumacious dogs cannot hope to reach these swirling miasmas of turgid thoughts and scintillating discussion, and so must, be their inferior nature, loudly and extravagantly emit their brainless and unwanted thoughts into a higher dimension of debate. Well, 'tis thine lucky day, dog, as the gods of Olympus high have taken notice of your perfidious and thoughtless ramblings. You have managed to irk them somewhat in your crusade of misinformed drivel, which you propel into a temple to the mind, such a place beyond your understanding, and yet sullied by your foul words. Yes, we have taken notice, and we say silence. Silence, dog, and worship your gods!
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>>184563440
>>184563518
>>184563662
>>184563787
>>184563847
>>184563870
>>184563894
>>184564361
Samefag.
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>>184564528
i-i promise
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>>184557107
In the end it's all about compatibility
That's why Kefla is the strongest fusion of all universes
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>>184558612
>2019
>jobkufags still alive
lmao
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>>184564580
What's inspect element, dog.
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>>184564684
a miserable little pile of secrets
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>>184556613
Herms actually commented on how that description is taking from GT promotional material

It's not canon at all
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>such a loser that your father expects to be able to just hand over your girlfriend
OH NO NO NO NO
JOBHAN LOSES AGAIN
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>>184562786
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>>184564775
He thinks the same about Vegeta, also he probably wouldn't even mind handing over Chi-Chi.
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>>184557675
Nope

The manga says that the potara don't give you any power at all

>dainzenshuu
>canon
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>>184564528
>4 (You)s
Thanks fampai
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>>184564855
>approved by Toriyama
You lose.
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>>184564718
Silence your yapping, pet, your master did not ask for your pointless lamentations, be silent and obedient like all good pets must.
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>>184564738
Herms is wrong.
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>>184564781
Lol.
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>>184564930
>gohanfag calling people pet
>forgetting gohan's wife literally being goku's tool for old perverts
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>>184564901
Toriyama approved the creation of GT, doesn't make it canon
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>>184565001
>Implying
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>>184565046
nice false equivalence spicdog
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>>184565046
No he didn't.
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>>184564781
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>>184565064
I accept your concession.
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Vegeta is better than Beerus.
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>>184565194
Whatever you say Caulishitter.
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>>184565126
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>>184565299
Hey now, I don't have taste THAT low.
Gohan's way better than that gross stick.
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Vegeta is the worst.
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>>184565374
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>>184565341
i miss close quarters combat
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>>184565345
Lol.
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>>184565283
Vegeta smells.
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>>184565392
JOBBER.
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That faggot Vic is finally G O N E
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Yamcha is better than Beerus.
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>>184565581
This.
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>430 posts
>59 poster
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>>184565670
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>>184565505
who
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>>184565670
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>>184565670
>posters*
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>>184558852
Potaras suck, see Trunks surpassing Vegetto, Vegetto became the biggest pile of trash in the history of anime.
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>>184565698
Some spic.
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KEKSPICS ASSEMBLE
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>>184565670
>joblin
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>>184565775
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>>184565760
>see Trunks surpassing Vegetto
lol no, it wasn't even shown what the limit of his power was
still useless though because they just defuse after a certain point, whereas Gogeta fucks shit up as much as he wants
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>>184565581
Based.
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>>184565393
>I miss close quarters combat
Here>>184561895>>184561950>>184562075>>184562283>>184563177
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>>184565810
OH NO, CHADLIN, GIVE ME BACK MY TAIL
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>>184561059
17
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GOHAN IS BETTER THAN BROLY
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>>184565886
RUDE.
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>B-BEJITA SAMA, DON'T JUST SHOVE IT ALL IN A T ONCE
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>>184565888
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>>184565935
No.
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Audienceku (SSB) > Broly God > Gogeta (SSB) > nuBroly (FPSS)
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>>184565996
based Takahashi
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>>184566112
He is.
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>>184566112
Fuck off Joblytard
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These fucking threads
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Gohan is the biggest.
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>>184560955
> shin was nervous af about pui pui fighting vegeta
> gowazu claimed ssj goku was God of Destruction level

TL;DR Kais don't know shit about powerscaling
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>>184566301
Nah.
>>184566323
Cry more, Pedro.
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>>184565810
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>>184566540
Yah.
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>>184566393
>smaller than his father's at the same age
UMMM GAYHANFAGS? CARE TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE?
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>>184566592
Nah.
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I hope I find love one day
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>>184566597
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>>184566562
Leave Kuririn alone.
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>>184566393
we've never seen goku at that age. in fact goku at the beginning was already older than "teen" gohan
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>>184566755
i always thought this guy was creepy. fucking pedo faggot
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>>184566762
Shut up.
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>>184566597
>one is responsible for the size of his own penis
>penis size determines one's sexual orientation
The absolute state of Vegetafags.
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>>184566962
>vegetafags
OBSESSED
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>>184566935
NO U.
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>>184566894
But everyone's seen Kid Goku naked by now
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>>184567024
SEETHING
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>>184554788
Why does it seem like DB fans hate their own franchise more than anyone else
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>>184567070
>large
I guess we know gayjay is a dicklet
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>>184566114
This Broly would be a good fusion partner for NuBroly on Pedroes, but they will probably use the SS4 Broly instead.
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>Lemo: how do you do fellow kids?
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>>184567095
I hate DBS.
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>>184567095
Anti waifufags who want edge back.
Loud minority
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>>184567239
>Loud minority
Unfortunately.
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>>184566393
>>184566597
>>184566755
>>184567070
>>184567097
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why do saiyans have such small penises and testicles?
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How come people don’t take Beerus seriously? I mean yea he is astonished by Goku’s power ups but it doesn’t really mean he’s fearful that he’s been surpassed. We haven’t seen him go all out yet. To me, I still see Beerus as this giant mountain that Goku and Vegeta have yet to climb
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>>184567710
I don't care for Beerus.
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How disappointed was Vegeta that his Trunks didn't grow up to be anything like the Future Trunks he grew to respect?
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>>184565447
>non-canon Faghan shit
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>>184567710
Beerus is irrelevant. He has no agency as a character. His strength is unimportant because he doesn't ever do anything.
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I wanna be a female frost demon
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>>184568095
Why?
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>>184567963
You're non-canon.
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>>184567841
I want to fuck him so bad.
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>>184559031
Looks horrible.

>>184559082
Nice and clean.
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>>184568095
>frost demon
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>>184567687
So they can date their granddaughters in the future
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>>184566360
Worst threads on /a/
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>>184566393
Why is it hard?
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>>184568463
Pan is for Kefla
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>>184568505
Because of you. Are you going to take responsibility?
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>>184568471
based hunterbros
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>>184568318
>I want to fuck him so bad.
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>>184568471
Now that you're here, it is.
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>>184566755
holy goddamn fucking shit!!
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>6'0
>handsome
>light tan skin
>great cook
>/fit/
>cool anime scars

how can other Dragon Ball males even compete?
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>>184569034
By having wives
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>>184554788
>Light Novel which Toriyama oversaw
Dear lord have mercy on our wicked souls
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>>184568022
yet if he does something, like hakai Moro for example, people would bitch that there's no tension in DB anymore, so it's a lose/lose scenario.
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>>184569034
By not living in a mud hut in the middle of the desert
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>>184557034
Sauce?
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Broly is stronger than UI Goku right?
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>>184569894
ui isnt a powerup, so yes
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>>184569894
Yes.
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>>184569918
UI is a powerup

Jiren didn’t take damage until UI
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>>184569918
>>184569960
Why didnt Goku go UI in the movie then
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>>184569034
yamcha is unironically my favorite character. no joke
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>>184569894
Gogeta isn't stronger than UI, let alone Broly.

The only characters confirmed to be stronger than UI are the the angels and Jiren.
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>>184558905
Yes, you picked a bad scene and it still looks better than literally most of the fights in Super. Don't bother cherrypicking the one or two good fights from Super as a counterargument, becaise good looking scenes happen once every 50 episodes in Super.
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>>184570204
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>184569034
>>184570142
He’s freizas good boy
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>>184568277
So I can breed with freiza
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>>184570387
He's gay, anon.
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>>184570009
the anime is retarded. its like in harry potter where dumbledore is calm and gentle but in the movie hes bum rushes harry and pins him against the wall while yelling in his face

>>184570038
what for? broly powers up the longer you fight him. so ui would stall him until he gets strong enough to overcome it on pure power alone. again, its NOT a powerup. theres only so much damage base form goku can inflict before he becomes ineffective. its a defensive technique
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Toriyama's involvement in Super/Movies is overestimated

All he does is design 4 or 5 characters, say basic stuff about them and leave full freedom to Toei/Toyo for the rest.

ToP example : He only designed Jiren,Toppo and Dyspo.
He designed Caulifla as an answer to Toei designing Kale.

He didn't even tell Toei stuff about characters.

Toei planned for Jiren to be a justice fanatic but Toriyama said he doesn't speak much so Toppo got the justice fanatic personality
Dyspo's cocky attitude was also made by Toei.

And some guys here are arguing Toriyama actually read that freakin novelization of Broly movie to confirm Broly is > Jiren. Laffin
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>>184568463
When I watched GT as a kid I genuinely trough they had good romantic chemistry even if a new they were related.
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>>184570431
Well then I’ll be his bitch then...
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>>184570576
He's a sub.
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>>184570645
Fine I’ll be yamcha

So long as he still bosses me about
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it's not fair
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>>184570546
>Toriyama's involvement in Super/Movies is overestimated
incorrect. hes is NOT involved with the anime, but hes heavily involved in every chapter of the manga. because youre a dismissive jackass, you assume this means glancing at the book and giving the go ahead. this is wrong. he gets deep in there and he rewrites dialogue, redraws characters, changes shit like expressions to better convey personality traits.

when people say the manga is canon, its not a meme. he truly was involved every step of the way. unlike the anime that does its own thing and he hates it. its even in this very thread where its quoted that he dislikes the anime.

the image is an example. theres a whole lot more of these interviews with before and after caps of the manga
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>>184570823
I understand your pain, anon.
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>>184569034
It's a shame Toriyama had to make some of the humans so tall and handsome but leave them in the dust due to Saiyan wankery.
>>184570142
Underrated outfit.
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Urgh...agh! P-please, Lord Broly-Dono.... spare me, SPARE ME! AAAAAAAAAA
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a deals a deal /a/. youve gotta suck his nipples
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Based Yamcha.
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>>184570858
>Being this much of an agenda pushing liar shill
What has to be wrong with someone to write all this trash.



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