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It's time to settle this.
Which girl does /a/ side with?
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>>184542621
sakura
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Seiba, anyone who says otherwise is a newfag
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>>184542621
Rin for the porn, Sakura for my heart.
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This is a Saber board. It's occasionally fun watching rin and sakurafags fight for second place but really , this contest was settled long ago
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Saber is the best girl out of the three main ones but has the worst route
Sakura is the worst girl and has the best route
Rin is just your standard rich roastie
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>>184542621
Saber > Rin > Sakura
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Saber definitely because in her route Rin is cucked enough to help Emiya keep Saber with him and Sakura all round seems pretty useless, might change after I see the second Heavens Feel movie. Please don’t be a fag and spoil it for me, yes I haven’t played the VN, I’m sorry.
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>>184542621
Illya.
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>>184542884
The VN is a pretty quick read anon. Took me three days to get through all the routes.
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>>184542621
Sakura > Saber > Rin
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Most people are Saberfags its just
>/a/ being contrarian
>saberfags are typically quiet
>they don't feel the need to say anything
>she's just that popular
>Saberfags have been winning hardcore since 2004
>they don't want to unintentionally smear her name by flaunting their obvious best girl
Saberfags just know who the absolute King is, always has been, and always will be
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Saber
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>>184542887
i have only watched prisma illya and i can confirm this is the truth
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ahem
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>>184542644
>>184543047
pleases shinji for FREE
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>>184542887
This. She's this beautiful damaged character who shines bright as she rediscovers her humanity. Always begins as an extremely threatening and brutal enemy but became the most selfless and loving in the end.
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>>184542621
Saber. We enjoy our waifu without participating in waifu wars
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>>184543415
>we will never see the original conclusion to HF Illya's story when she was a heroine
>Tsukihime remake is vaporware because Nasu is too busy buying gold statues of his dick with the F/GO money
>which means F/SN remake with added routes never ever
The most we'll ever get is teasing in HA and Nasu's jokes about Prisma being her route. Fuck everything
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>>184542644
fpbp
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>>184543533
>2030 comes and Illya finally gets her route
>she still sacrifices herself in the end and Fate is all ages now so no sex scenes
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>>184542621
Saber
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>>184543345
Better than pleasing old men and dykes for free
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>>184542621
Always Rin.
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>>184542621

Rider
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>>184543666
Based Rings satanic trips.
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>>184542621
Fuck
Marry
Kill
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>>184544941
Fuck Rin. Marry Saber. Kill Sakura. Protect Ilya
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As an unbiased observer, I see the most positive and frequent posts about Twintails, the second most appreciation for Blonde girl who can't swim and the least for Purple, especially after SakuraFish died.
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>>184544968
bully Illya
kill the rest
marry Medea
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>>184542621
Rin>Sakura>Saber>>>>>>Sakura
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>>184542884
Rin's keeping Saber around for both of them.
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>>184543195
based taigabro
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>>184545600
Why does Lancer have breasts here?
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>>184542621
>>184542887
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Reminder that
Caren > Future Alternate Rin > Ilya > Rin >= Sakura > Medusa > Random Loli Supporting Angler Cu > Sella > Medea >= Bazette > Leysritt > Shy Prologue Slut Taiga > Cake Bar Owner > Ayako > Glasses Prologue Whore > Tomboy Prologue Bitch > Artoria
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Reminder that Mashu is the best Type-Moon girl. Even Aoko, Arc and Saber can't compete
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>>184546270
>saber is just mashu's pet
I laugh
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>>184542884

Sakura isn't useless by a large margin.

She is good at teaching people how to cook, even taught her romantic rival how to bake pie. She like submission holds and suplexes, horror novels and movies, gives great massages, is excellent at making sweets, and is a great listener. Hell, why wouldn't you like her? Even if you factor in her baggage, a lot of the other girls have it as well, she has a lot of good aspects. It's just most don't balance the good and bad with their favorites, and true Sakura fans acknowledge and accept her bitter, maligned side as well as the stuff I put here. Not really for the other types of fans.

I mean hell, and this isn't really a spoiler since you find this all the time, she is the only one of three to have good community presence. Helps out with temple celebrations, brought her archery club to nationals, takes good care of her kouhai. You can get a sense that she has a life outside of magecraft or the supernatural, whereas Rin and Saber are kind of made to be idealistic action heroines, while Sakura can walk both paths. It's why when you see Hollow you get a clear sense of how trapped she was in the original story with Zouken.
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>>184542621
Sakura, always Sakura
Illya is also good
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>>184545923
Caren is my favorite outside of the main girls, otherwise I love Sakura the most.
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>>184546270
Dumb Sakuraclone without any of the depth
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Sakura. But i like Saber and Rin as well.
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>>184546900
>Sakura clone
Wtf ?
>without any of the depth
If you are too lazy to read FGO story then go read the lyrics of Shikisai and Eternity Blue please
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>>184542621
This is Sakur/a/. Rinfags belong on /vg/.
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How good is HA? I never see people talk about it so I assumed it as trash, but I just played through Extra and I doubt anything can be worse. Or is it shit?
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>>184548233
It's a worthy sequel to F/SN. Lots of slice of life scenes, but that's part of the appeal. Just about every light-hearted doujin or spinoff has its origin in scenes from it, so it's a must-read.
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>>184542621
>Always Ilya.
She is literally perfect. Both as character as a whole, and for Shirou. She is one of the sweetest progressive heel-turn characters I've ever seen, and I wish Nasu didn't kill her off in 2/3 routes, and saddle her with a 'lol, she might die in a year, or she might not' ending in Fate.

Or he could finish the Ilya route he set up in Heaven's Feel. That would be nice too.

>>184542887
>>184543415
>>184543533
>>184545799

Love you guys <3

>>184543103

You count too!
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>>184548303
Thanks I will give it a read then!
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Rider > Rin > Saber
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>>184548233
I fucking love Fate/Hollow Atraxia man. It is legitimately my favorite entry in the entirety of the Fate sub-franchise.
All of you plebs talking about what girl Shirou should get with when Caren and Angra Mainyu is the real patricians choice
>>184548491
Fucking do it
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>>184548711
Who are they looking at?
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Sakura~
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>>184548591
Angry Manjew is Shirou.
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>>184548784
(you)
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>>184548784
Archer, offscreen taking Cu's Gae Bolg into his Rho Aias. Bazett's nervous, yet horny blush says everything.

Side-note: Hollow Ataraxia is fantastic. It fleshes out some of the lesser-developed characters, while providing great slice of life scenes with all of the characters, and also provides a pretty good plot that answers the mystery of who Lancer's master really was.

It's above Fate/Stay Night even, my favorite entry in the Fate Series.
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>>184548970
+ it tells us a little about Angra Mainyu, and even give him a character
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>>184542621
Can't we just make them all immobile fatties addicted to Shirou's food and call it a day?
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>>184548824
Only in the loosest sense
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>>184548824
Angra Mainyu is Shirou, however, Shirou is not Angra Mainyu
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>Another thread where troglodytes flaunt their very mainstream interests and lack of taste.
Il just leave the best girl here.
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>>184549502
Literally who.
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>>184549502
I respect you and your taste
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>>184549604
Himuro love detective is practically the apex of Fate visual novels
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>>184548584
I love her.
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>>184549502
Yukika is best track and field girl. On a similar note, Seo is best Tsukihime girl.
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>>184549799
Remember when Yukika was assaulted by ko-gil
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Which girl will NTR me?
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>>184550094
Saber, Rider, Rin and others already NTRed Shirou
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I love raidah for her beautiful eyes
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>>184550284
Why do people ship Kirei and Medusa? I probably missed some reasoning behind this, but I see pictures like this kinda often.

What the appeal when those two never ever talked in VN? It comes from FGO and related to Rasputin?
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>>184550284
>artists always draw them purple and with normal pupils
Aghhhhhhhh follow the model you retards.
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>>184550397
Why do you have to post this bait in two different threads ?
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>>184550397
That's not Medusa in the pic though. See the ribbon? But if there are other pics I've got no idea.

>>184550470
Blame her Fgo sprite.
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>>184550397
I have no idea if people ship Kirei and Medusa, but that's not Kirei or Medusa.
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>>184542887
>>184543195
LOVE? WHAT'S THAT? SOUNDS DUMB!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
;~;
I keep flip-flopping between Saber and Sakura. Is this how Rin feels?
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>>184542621
SAKURA

t. Shirou
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>>184550789
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>>184550789
t Sakura, she was literally Shirous backup girl and only became his objective after Saber kicked the bucket.
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>>184542621
Arcueid
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>>184550882
Nah. More like Saber can only be with Shirou due to Sakura's little screentime in Fate route
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>>184550893
t. Turkeyhandlefag
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Reminder that Iri was 8 years old when knocked up with Illya. Kerry is a damn madman.
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>>184550882
poor rhinokek
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>>184550893
I want Aoko it explain the Fifth Magic to me!
That isn't a euphemism for anything. Seriously, The mystery used to be fun, but now I really just want to know what the fuck it does. Cuddling and other romantic stuff can wait until afterwards.
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>>184551038
>Still no figs
>Replaced by Sensei
>Lost to Touko in popularity polls
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>>184551038
Basically burning unused parts of reality to power your magecraft.

Also Aoko is hot as fuck, 10/10 would awkwardly ask out on a date.
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>>184551117
i got one from that fha collection with fem shiki and all
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>>184551169
Medea is so happy in this...
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>>184551149
>Aoko beat Touko by burning anons social life
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>>184551038
You just need to know that the Fifth can't destroy one of Alice's Ploy Kickshaw, the Thames Troll in Gold/Silver stage
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>>184546378
>Even if you factor in her baggage, a lot of the other girls have it as well
How many other girls are raped daily by both their brother and their (great?) grandpa manifested as a swarm of parasitic rapeworms?
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>>184542621
Taiga
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>>184551117
>Lost to Touko in popularity polls
When? The 2012 poll had Aoko and Alice rigged into the top 10 because Mahoyo was new, but is there a newer poll?
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>>184551359
Caring about that is baggage on your end.
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>>184551451
Anon, its been 7 years
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>>184551489
It's fine if your thirsty for a project, a little predatory maybe, but don't go acting like it ain't what it is.
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Say something nice about my family /a/.
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>>184551596
An innocent victim worthy of protection and love?
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>>184551617
This honestly shows how Kirei wasnt evil. He wasnt even neutral neutral but neutral good
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>>184551617
Caren mentioned Claudia and told Karin to go to Fuyuki because of it so maybe we will get more stuff about Kotomine family in Requiem vol 2
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>>184551359
I mean Ilya could be seen as having been abused and her body violated over years, to the point the body she has won't even last another year. In fact this abuse even started before she was even born.

It's not fully comparable to Sakura, since it wasn't a sexual manor, but both girls had their bodies violated and abused, and suffer trauma from it.
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>>184551673
It's not his fault he was born so fucked up, and he tried so hard for his entire life to fix it or at least figure out what was wrong with him.
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>>184551673
Except he goes on a monologue in one of the routes about how he had a family because he thought it could make him happy, but it didn't, so he killed his wife
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>>184551928
She died of a disease. Realizing he didn't feel sad about it was what made him realize he was irreparably broken.
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>>184551522
Wait, are you talking about that poll that wasn't open to the public and only people Type-Moon let vote in it were allowed to do so? And that Ryougi won 1st place in with less than 600 votes?
Because that is kinda disingenuous, and you can't really claim such a small group accurately conveys the opinions of the entire Type-Moon fanbase. We all know if the poll was open to the public Saber would have won.
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>>184542621
>I know, from the start dating a fictional character is a mistake. No matter how much I love she will never understand. She will never become real and stay with me side by side.
>Someone like me doesn't understand real life women. The love I have is a fake love that is written by others.
>But, that does not mean I shouldn't try it.
>Even if people ridicule me in the process.
>Even if others treat me like a freak.
>I don't think it's wrong to continue to express love to the one I love the most. The love itself is beautiful no matter how unrealistic it is.
>So, it is not a mistake after all.
Me on the left
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>>184543666
Based trips. Rin for life.
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>>184551928
>>184551985
To be fair, it wasn't just that he didn't feel sad when his wife died of disease, he felt regret that he DIDN'T get to kill her before the disease did. That was the moment he realized something was wrong with him.
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This thread is... surprisingly civil. I'm a Rinfag, but good to see we're generally getting along for once. I think all the girls are wonderful.
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Reminder the maids are for sex!
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Your mum.
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>>184542621
Rin because I like butts.
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>>184552337
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>>184552526
Cute!
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>>184552534
>8 years later
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>>184552276
Above all, there's a good reason why he chose to not think too hard about it.
He subconsciously refused to be happy. That feeling was twisted into enjoying the suffering of others.
But he still kept living afterwords despite being in constant pain.

He's the strongest man I'll ever know
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>>184552534
>>184552773
Just think of what the future holds. There are so many possibilities.
All I know is at least one of those possibilities is not Waifu Wars. Those will always be a certainty.
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>>184552773
>More cooking when
Based Shirou, truly the pinnacle of Fate threads.
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>>184552773
I dont honestly know how people can argue about canon wife/LE when Last episode, UBW/HF and Typemoon lore practically spell out how souls and timelines work.

I essence there is only one timeline, one unique soul per person and a place outside the timeline. Timeline shifts based on Kaleidoscope and other faggotry while people in the old timeline shift into the new one. Its not like Steins gate where there are multiple timelines with multiple people.
Throne of heroes, Akasha and Avalon reside outside the timeline and Archer himself has been able to visit multiple timelines in Fate as a singular existence. Archer even remembers that and HA itself is an miniature take on this system.

Ergo Shirou who meets up with Saber in Avalon is the same existence that went through Fate, UBW, HF and Archers cycle. Saber won every route, deal with it.
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>>184551617
How does a priest get married?
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>>184553618
>Kaleidoscope
So HF True is the true end. LE makes no narrative sense outside of Fate.
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>>184553714
I think priests can marry before they are ordained as clergy, at least in Catholicism. It's never really specified what kind of Christian Kirei is, right?
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>>184542799
>Rin is just your standard rich roastie
>rich
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>>184543345
That's backwards, shinji pleases her for free. She is a blackhole you know?
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>>184542621
I don't like the way those two are looking with Saber there, this is how femdom shit got started, get those rapists away from her
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>>184553775
>So HF True is the true end
That doesnt really matter given Zelretch changes timelines like socks.

> LE makes no narrative sense outside of Fate.
Sure, but it seals the deal. Shirou fucks out of the cycle of reincarnation/timelines with Saber. Ergo when Shirou becomes a constant then every other route stops mattering.
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>>184553618
F/HA is a direct sequel saberkek fate/ubw/hf aren't canon. So last episode is twice non canon. Sorry about your delusions
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>>184550964
Saber has to be taken off tge equation for the Rin and Sakura romance bub. It's the other way around.
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>>184553943
Either way, Sakura is the winner during Shirou's lifetime. Saber only gets him in the afterlife.
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>>184548448
I don't remember, how does she recover her humanity? She didn't learn the truth about kiritsugu on the VN (on the HF movie she did). Just interacting with shirou was enough?
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>>184553986
>Fate
>Sequels
The verse doesnt work like that, not that HA is a sequel either.

>>184554019
There is practically zero difference in Fate verse except lifetime is finite.
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>>184552210
Based Saberbro really gets it.
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>>184554088
Shirou and Saber are stuck eating apples on a meadow for all eternity. In a way, that's the ultimate torture for them, since they can't even cook there.
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>>184553986
>F/HA is a direct sequel
F/HA is an indirect sequel. Nasu has purposefully declined to say which route it takes place after, (which is where the famous "don't think" quote comes from) and the whole thing is a dream with the only thing actually happening in the real world is Shirou and Rin walking up to the house that Bazett is napping in.
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>>184553618
>Timeline shifts based on Kaleidoscope and other faggotry while people in the old timeline shift into the new one. Its not like Steins gate where there are multiple timelines with multiple people.
Except you are wrong retard.
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>>184554195
No fuck that shit. Merlin surely know how to make things more entretaining.

>You will never spend eternity doing kinky things with the love of your life while messing around with your wizard bro

Feel bad man
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>>184553618
This flat out isn't true at all. Timelines in Fate can even be "pruned" as of Extella.
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>>184554214
That's what makes it direct. We don't know the canon events of SN, but they resulted in HA, the routes are not canon.
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>>184554238
nuhhuh
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>>184554298
>canon
Every single thing that happens in F/SN is canon, even the bad ends. The dream in F/HA purposefully encapsulates multiple timelines at once because Angra or whatever.
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>>184554298
>the main first work is not canon because the fandisk that takes place in a dream doesn't want to make one single route canon in a universe with multiple iverging timelines that can interact with one another
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Rin's body but with saber's personality.
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>>184554294
>Timelines in Fate can even be "pruned" as of Extella
This however doesnt disprove what I posted. You can still have one definitive timeline while destroying others. Youre simply stomping something that might happen and probably will out of the existence even if it doesnt exist in that moment.
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>>184554377
Dude the six month before the timeloop exist, it's not "all a dream lmao".
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>being bound by routes and timelines
>not making your own headcanon the actual canon
It must suck not having access to True Magic
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>>184554463
Rin's body but with no personality and buried as a corpse
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>>184553618
>>184553943
You never know how Quantum Time-Lock works right ?
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>>184554316
Explain the chest scene in HA.
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>>184542621
Fuck the king
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>>184554463
Rincontinent Student Bodies.
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This is already settle. Just look at this OBJETIVE POSTING chart.
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>>184554541
I want to fuck all of them
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>>184554578
At the very least, we can agree on this
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>>184553618
>Ergo Shirou who meets up with Saber in Avalon is the same existence that went through Fate, UBW, HF and Archers cycle. Saber won every route, deal with it.
Saberfags actually BELIEVE this.
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>>184554578
>fate stay night edition
>caster's sprite from ataraxia
>taiga that low
yikes
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>>184554578
>Shit Tiger not at the bottom
>Ayako at the bottom
>Rider and Sakura at the top
>Rin and Illya not at the top
>Caster that high
I've never seen such awful taste, the only thing you got right was the maids and Saber.
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>>184554644
>hating Shinji
>Hating a character who was eventually forgiven by everyone, even his sister.
Shinji did something wrong but he was still a good person
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>>184554480
But the whole point of F/HA being a dream is so Nasu didn't have to say which route it takes place after. The only thing we know for sure is that Rin and Shirou are alive in that timeline.
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The Fgoapes are here, it was a fun thread while it lasted, bye
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>>184554679
>Rin and Illya not at the top
You are not fooling nobody, Rinkek
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>>184554719
No one here is talking about FGO, though?
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>>184554699
How is raping a slut even something wrong?
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>>184554787
>raping a slut
Who ?
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Why was King Arthur made a girl? I never understood this. Why not just have an actual female hero and have the same face? Could have been Jeanne from the very start and I doubt it would have been less succsseful.
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>>184554844
Sakucrap
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>>184554731
But I want Rin, Saber, and Illya to all be in the S tier, how does that make me a "Rinkek"?
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>>184554862
>Why was King Arthur made a girl?
Because Takeuchi wanted to draw a female knight
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Reminder there is only one Sakura worth talking about.
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>>184554702
HA doesn't take place after any route. The events that led to HA were some kind of combination of SN routes. Also, things that happen in HA aren't a dream.
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>>184554924
Preferring BB over Sakura is like preferring serialized Nagatoro over image set Nagatoro.
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>>184554924
I love her and her swimsuit's valentine scene so much
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>>184554902
>Rin, Saber, and Illya to all be in the S tier
>not Sakura
Yeah, you're a Rinfag alright.
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>>184555053
holy shit worm faggot kys
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>>184555053
Seethe harder Wormtard. People with brains can tell that wormwhore is shit, doesn't make them rinfags
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>>184553618
>Ergo Shirou who meets up with Saber in Avalon is the same existence that went through Fate, UBW, HF and Archers cycle. Saber won every route, deal with it.
This literally does not make sense because Shirou isn't even in love with Saber in the latter two routes. UBW!Shirou and HF!Shirou would have no reason nor desire to meet up with Saber in after life and spend eternity there as lovers. You're just trying downplay the romances Shirou has with the other heroines, and I don't even get why. UBW!Shirou literally NEEDS Rin to not become Archer, that's how important she is. HF!Shirou abandons his ideals to become Sakura's sole hero, that's how important she is. There is no sole romance, or canon wife.
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Name a more kino fight.
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>another thread where some sakurafag starts shitposting and falseflagging
every time
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>>184555119
>kys
>Seethe
Rinfags, everyone. Why are they always such obvious crossboarders?
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>>184555211
Why are you replying to yourself?
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>>184555176
Still better than this retard Saberfag >>184553618
Also Illyafag are the best
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>>184555309
Anon, just accept Sabers superiority and canonical implications of LE
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>>184542621
I want to fuck the king and her son at the same time. I want Arturia to use me to teach her son how to please a man. I want my dick between the king’s breasts as she and her son practice performing oral on me. I want the king to kiss feed her son semen and teach her to swallow. I want the king to ride my dick like a horse and I want her son’s vagina on my mouth. I want to cum inside the king as I eat out the king’s son. I want the king to part her son's legs and show me her vagina. I want Mordred to scream for her daddy as I pound her. I want to fill her with just as much cum as I filled her father. I want enjoy Arthurian-style oyakodon
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>>184555449
Every ending are canon and every timeline except F/Z and FGO can be cut off
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>>184555449
Every ending is canon, even the bad ones. Newfag.
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>>184555531
>I want my dick between the king’s breasts as she and her son practice performing oral on me.
I don't play F/GO, does Lancer Arturia have a Son (Female)? Or has no child ever experienced the joy of nursing from the breasts of this King (Female)?
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>>184555771
>>184555580
You dont really understand how LE or Fateverse works here. I never said those endings didnt happen, on the contrary I acknowledged that every good and bad end does happen to Shirou.
However, this doesnt mean I am in the wrong. Shirou never ends up with Saber in the Fate ROUTE, it never happens. He just continues to truck with his life in the multiverse. However, eventually he does end up in Avalon through multitude of twists and turns.. We see this happen in LE, we see him comment on it.

Just because other endings are valid doesnt mean Shirou doesnt end up with Saber. Rin and Sakura are mere stopgaps in his greater journey towards perfection.
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>>184555970
So you really believe that Shirou lived his whole life with his lover be it Rin/Sakura/Whoever else then died and then went to Avalon to Saber? Do you realise how retarded that sounds?
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>>184555970
Fate, UBW and HF are three different timelines. Each Shirou has different ending. He reunites with Saber with Fate, goes to Clock Tower with Rin in UBW and stays with Sakura in HF. Another example, Shirou in FGO never meets Saber, Rin or Sakura too and FGO was confirmed to be in the Trunk too lol
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>>184554941
>HA isn't a dream
It is literally called a dream by either Caren or Angra at some point.
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>>184556098
>So you really believe that Shirou lived his whole life with his lover be it Rin/Sakura/Whoever else then died and then went to Avalon to Saber?
He died, repeated the timeline and died again. Rinse and repeat.

>Do you realise how retarded that sounds?
In a magical world where lolis become mahou shoujos, King Arthur is an small girl and magic exist? Thats where you draw the line?
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>>184554862
because Fate was originally an otome novel starring a Male Arthur (this novel has been adapted and changed radically by a writer who isn't Nasu) and Takeuchi said "this will never sell" so they changed it.
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>>184556177
>Shirou in FGO never meets Saber, Rin or Sakura too
source? Fuyuki singularity still has Saber summoned and the person with the catalyst for Saber is Shirou.
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>>184556228
>this novel has been adapted and changed radically by a writer who isn't Nasu
You mean Fragments aka a prequel of Prototype, not Prototype itself
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>>184556187
So is Arturia’s time as a servant by Merlin and Bedivere. That doesn’t mean it’s a literal dream.
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>>184556187
That's because people involved will forget about what happened. Even then Manjew said that the those who fought in the fifth hgw will still remeber parts of it and recall it in their dreams, with Caren as an exception because she didn't participate. How can you read the vn and get things so wrong.
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>>184556203
Drawing the line between actual lore and insane theories seems pretty reasonable to me
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>>184556285
Fuyuki singularity =/= FGO Fuyuki HGW 2004. There is only one HGW in this timeline with Marisbilly Animusphere and Solomon became the winner
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>>184550578
>But if there are other pics I've got no idea.
BB and Hakuno
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>>184556203
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you a troll?
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>>184554578
Awful taste.
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>>184556319
>with Caren as an exception because she didn't participate. How can you read the vn and get things so wrong.
>Caren forgets Angra Mainyu
That was the saddest part for me. I found the scene where they were climbing the stairs to be really sweet.
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>>184556328
>Drawing the line between actual lore and insane theories seems pretty reasonable to me
Im just explorating from character and author statements plus LE. Its not really an insane theory when we know A: multiverse is a thing B: there is only one reality based on old Zecky. C: Shirou ends up outside of time and space D: There is only instance of Shirou,
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>>184556315
How are these connected at all?
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>>184556363
>not taking metaphysical implications to the max and applying cold logic
Im not even a Saberfag
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>>184556432
Once again, you're just trying to downplay the other romances. The three routes are completely different timelines hence why we have the "Are you my master" scene in the latter two routes, because there is no recollection of such a moment in UBW and HF. Shirou is meeting Saber there for the very first time LE is specifically for the Fate route, and it's basically his reward for staying loyal to Saber all those years which doesn't apply to UBW!Shirou or HF!Shirou because he's in love with Rin and Sakura. UBW!Shirou and HF!Shirou have no reason for the LE end because she's not his lover. Plus you have HF normal end, which alludes to teenage Sakura and Shirou meeting up in what one could call the afterlife. There is no canon wife or ending, F/SN isn't a sole route.
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>>184542621
Rin! I love her!
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>>184556442
Because you are using the word dream too literally when it isn’t meant to be understood in that context.
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>>184556319
>because she didn't participate
EXACTLY. Caren sends a small fragment of herself into the dream world. The Caren within the dream then mentions that outside of the dream world, the real Caren is repairing the church. The world is still going on outside.
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>>184555774
Mordred is still his (her) son (daughter)
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>>184556432
>there is only one reality based on old Zecky
Nash said that more than a month ago, so I don’t accept it as canon
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>>184556432
>The three routes of Fate/stay night can be called parallel worlds existing at the same time in some sense. When asked how the routes would appear to Zelretch, Kinoko Nasu stated that Zelretch observing the routes as parallel would make it "true", and that Nasu would prefer that only one route existed instead.
We don't know which route is the "true" route
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>>184556500
They're not going to listen. A certain group can't get 'CANON WIFE' out of their heads.
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>>184556574
Nasu. Damn fumble fingers
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>>184542621
Rin. But Saber and Illya are top tier too.
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>>184556584
Again, he said that years ago. Based on how often Nasu flip-flops I doubt that is still true.
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>>184556584
He literally shows up in HF True.
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>>184556543
She didn't send anything anywhere. She acts as a Kirei stand in in the recreation of the war that is the 4 day loop.
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>>184556589
They're just like Takeuchi. He was also trying to downplay the romances between Rin x Shirou and Sakura x Shirou in CM II.
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>>184556709
She acts as a Kirei stand-in because the version of her outside of the dream sent her in there. She fucking spells this out.
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>>184556500
>Once again, you're just trying to downplay the other romances.
This is blatant lying.
>The three routes are completely different timeline
Which I said is the case.
> "Are you my master" scene in the latter two routes
Left out of the VN by design, is shown in anime.
>Shirou is meeting Saber there for the very first time LE is specifically for the Fate route
See above
>doesn't apply to UBW!Shirou or HF!Shirou because he's in love with Rin and Sakura
Shirou did stay loyal to Saber in both routes, see bad ends.
>UBW!Shirou and HF!Shirou have no reason for the LE end because she's not his lover.
True, but thats besides the point. Shirous soul still flies into the meat grinder here. Sure, earthly Shirou at that moment might not care for Saber but eventually he clearly does.
>Plus you have HF normal end, which alludes to teenage Sakura and Shirou meeting up in what one could call the afterlife.
Fate doesnt have afterlife though. Its either Archives, throne/elvish shores or some twisted cycle for you.
>There is no canon wife or ending, F/SN isn't a sole route.
Never said otherwise, however lack of single route doesnt imply the lack of singular answer to the Shirou question
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>>184556741
Please show me a screenshot of her saying that then.
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>>184556584
Thats the point. Timelines shifts ergo there isnt a single route. Shirou doesnt have a final other, a true ending.

LE throwing Shirou out of this bullshit solidifies Sabers place
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>>184556805
Gimme a few hours. If this thread is still up I'll post it.
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>Sure, earthly Shirou at that moment might not care for Saber but eventually he clearly does
ahahah this fucking guy.
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>>184554051
Interacting with Shirou was enough, but it was also from bonding with him about Kiritsugu in the days up until Rain. The two actually spend a lot of time together just getting to know one another, as Shirou was told of Kiritsugu's relation by other people early on in the route, which leads him to try and understand Ilya better. This is something I'm quite sad was just cut from the movies.

However it was seeing just how different he was from Kiritsugu that really made her feelings change. Coming to Fuyuki she'd expected Shirou to be just like Kiritsugu, because this was how she justified her hatred for Shirou and the horrible things she intended to do to him. However seeing him sacrifice his life for his servant, something she views as a tool, shook this preconceived perception she had of him. But it isn't until he shows how willing he is to protect the ones that he loves by abandoning everything in favor of protecting Sakura, something Kiritsugu could not do, that she fully realizes that he's someone she can trust, and support.

Ilya always had humanity, however she was misguided and vengeful because of what had been done to her.
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>>184556755
>True, but thats besides the point.
No, it's not "that's beside the point". The whole point of LE is that Shirou gets to finally reunite with the woman he fell in with as a teenager, and stayed loyal to. Saber and Shirou finally get their happy ending. LE is literally the happy ending Saber didn't get in the original VN. UBW!Shirou and HF!Shirou experiencing LE makes no sense because she's not his lover. Hell, HF!Shirou doesn't even follow the ideals him and Saber share since he abandons them for Sakura, hammering down how different he is from Fate!Shirou and UBW!Shirou.
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>>184556819
Again, Shirou Fate =/= Shirou UBW =/= Shirou HF. Fate!Shirou goes to Avalon is his final in Fate route, not in UBW, HF and other timeline
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>still replying to a delusional fag
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>>184556959
I don't even get why he's still trying. All the romances are important, you aren't suppose to downplay any of them. Hell, the VN itself shows you how important each girl is to Shirou. Rin literally needs to stay beside Shirou in UBW so he doesn't become Archer, she's that crucial to his entire existence. While in HF Shirou abandons his ideals from his childhood for Sakura, because he loves her that much and decided to put a sole human above humanity.
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>>184542621
Rider > Ilya > Caster > Lancer > Sakura > Berserker > Seiba > Rin
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>>184557058
>UBW!Shirou and HF!Shirou experiencing LE makes no sense because she's not his lover.
Whoever said Fate made any sense? What I am writing is just the logical conclusion of plot points shown in the original VN, LE and author statements.

Plus we know that both Shirous in UBW and HF still love Saber given they get a bad end for her. There is still lingering affection.
> Hell, HF!Shirou doesn't even follow the ideals him and Saber share since he abandons them for Sakura, hammering down how different he is from Fate!Shirou and UBW!Shirou.
He does though, ergo the bad end. Sure, there is a very specific subset of Shirou who doesnt but even then Sakura was just an backup girl for him.

>>184557159
There is only one singular Shirou though. If there were multiple persons then there would be more than 1 timeline but we know that isnt the case.
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>>184557351
>only one singular Shirou
Every timeline has its own Shirou. Like Shirou in Apo and Shirou in FGO and Shirou in Fate route and Shirou in UBW route and Shirou in HF route. Can you stop with your headcanon please ?
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>>184557451
>Every timeline has its own Shirou.
But per kaleidoscope there is only one timeline, per nasus statement there is only one timeline.

>Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.
>A: They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
>If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.
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>>184557351
No girl is a back-up girl for him. Every heroine and the romance that comes along with them is important, for example it's been stated that HF!Shirou is the one that becomes the most human. Why do you think F/SN isn't a sole route with a sole heroine? Idiot.

>>184557612
Zelretch shows up in HF. You wanna keep going?
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>>184553618
Based and Seibapilled
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>>184557285
>I don't even get why he's still trying. All the romances are important, you aren't suppose to downplay any of them.
Hell, the VN itself shows you how important each girl is to Shirou. Rin literally needs to stay beside Shirou in UBW so he doesn't become Archer, she's that crucial to his entire existence. While in HF Shirou abandons his ideals from his childhood for Sakura, because he loves her that much and decided to put a sole human above humanity.

Not mentioned here, but this also goes for Ilya in both Heaven's Feel and Fate. Heaven's Feel he tries to protect her as much as he does Sakura, it's very clear he wouldn't sacrifice either because that's not how he works here, the only reason he fails to save her is because she herself chooses to sacrifice herself because he's dying from Archer's arm.

While in Fate, whether you see the Final Tiger Dojo as a joke or not, it *can* be taken as what will canonically happen following Fate. In which Ilya herself states Shirou will not become Archer in this route because she's by his side.

I just want to stress how important Ilya is also to Shirou, goddamn you Nasu why did you have to cut her route.
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>>184557683
>Why do you think F/SN isn't a sole route with a sole heroine? Idiot.
Why you haff to be mad
>Zelretch shows up in HF. You wanna keep going?
Zelretch shows up everywhere, thats what gives LE meaning over everything else. Avalon isnt subjective to magicians whims unlike every route which can be done or undone with a mere gaze.

I dont think you grasp this well, or choose not to. Is it really that hard to accept that the hero doesnt end up with a girl X? Thats just the way its written
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>Is it really that hard to accept that the hero doesnt end up with a girl X? Thats just the way its written
Exactly. Is it really so hard for you accept that Shirou doesn't end up with Saber in the latter two routes? I mean LE wasn't even a thing until Takeuchi fought for it. Nasu was happy with the original ending Saber got.
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>>184557612
>Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.
>A: They're parallel... sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
>If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.

Sidenote; I feel like this may be misinterpreted, or mistranslated? Either way it doesn't make any sense with what Nasu's also said about the routes. Where is this from anyway?
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>>184558005
Literally this >>184556687
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>>184557955
>I just want to stress how important Ilya is also to Shirou
You're right. Even Takeuchi himself stated that Shirou becomes his most human self in HF, not only because of Sakura, but because of Illya as well. It's just we're talking love interests.
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>>184558087
I dont even care about Saber desu. Im just autistic about twisting canon within the boundaries of the said work. Nasuverse is actually pretty good at this given everything I said were explorated based on the work itself. You may not like it but objectively what I say isnt wrong per say, sure it rapes the theme of the work but its technically right
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>>184558095
CM III
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>>184558005
>>184557612
>>184557351
>>184556819
>>184556755
>>184556432
>>184556203
Unironically based.
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>>184558162
>I dont even care about Saber desu
Sure, you don't, but you've been put in your place so I can see why you're backing down.
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>>184558162
But do we know which route is observed by Zelretch ? The answer is no. The only thing "closest" to the answer of it is this pic >>184556687.
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>>184558260
>popular artist draws that shirou/saver fanart
>gets around 5k likes
>less popular artist draws shirou/sakura fanart
>gets 8k likes
Heh.
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>>184558319
>But do we know which route is observed by Zelretch?
Unironically FGO, or nasus latest work.

>>184558272
>>>
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>>184558087
>Nasu was happy with the original ending Saber got
So this is the reason why they didn't even use Last Episode for Fate route in the 15th Anni video huh
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>>184558377
They didn't add LE in because LE isn't apart of the original work.
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>>184558418
IIRC HF true ending also isn't from the original work too ?
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>>184558477
It is
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>>184558332
Despite your shitposting, this artist is a blessing everyone should appreciate. Their drawings are always cute and comfy as fuck.
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>>184558477
>HF true ending also isn't from the original work too ?
Except it is. Did you even read the original VN?
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>>184558477
>HF true ending also isn't from the original work too ?
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>>184558152
>You're right. Even Takeuchi himself stated that Shirou becomes his most human self in HF, not only because of Sakura, but because of Illya as well.
Exactly this!

>It's just we're talking love interests.
And Ilya was still written to be a love interest. Potentially she is just as valid a love interest for Shirou as the other three. Especially when you take Hollow into account which *is* based on part of the Kaleidoscope.

Also, this is a side-note to original comment, but with how she behaved with Shirou when Saber was around in Fate, please, like she'd give up her advances after that.
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>I was determined and was even making my escape plans, but there were people that wanted to save me while there were people who wanted to kill me. In the face of everyone's condemnation,
>"Well. The carelessness of my apprentice is my responsibility."
>The old man, who slightly outranked all who were present, appeared and nullified all the charges against me.
>It's not that the he took the blame in my place. It's give and take. Out of everything he could have done,
>"All right. Then I shall take apprentices. I will teach up to three students. All the departments are to select prospects in a conference." he dropped a bombshell.
>I mean, a long-missing sorcerer appeared, and said he'd take apprentices on top of it. The whole place became a riot. Completely forgetting about me, everyone ran to their departments, panicking over who should be selected.
>And he came to me, who was standing there dumbfounded, and smiled.
>"So an unremarkable parent produced a superior child. I expected the least out of Tohsaka, but you managed to reach it in just six generations."And he said something ridiculous like that.
>"W-What do you mean?" I played dumb. Because I thought he'd kill me if he found out what went on. Sorcerers don't tell others about their sorcery. My instincts told me he'd kill anyone who followed in his footsteps, without mercy.
>But my enemy's no ordinary person. He pats my head and praises me.
>"Use the people of the Association. It's a stiff, conservative place, but they have the tools."
>As expected from the great master.
>The old man who traveled across many parallel worlds was a wholehearted guy.
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>>184558557
Are they thinking of some of the CG's added to Realta Nua?
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>>184558615
>Takeuchi: We had designed Illya to be a heroine to some degree, so I guess you could say she started off with some wifely attributes, but those kind of faded away as her character evolved. Looking back on it now, however, I think it was better for Illya's character that way.
>Nasu: Yeah, Illya's not really the wife type... she's more of a daughter if anything. The love you feel for her is the kind that makes you want to protect her.
>Takeuchi: If the three heroines were to be Shirou's wives, Illya would definitely be his little sister.
They seem more than content with sisterly Illya.
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>IIRC HF true ending also isn't from the original work too ?
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>>184558620
Yeah but my question still stands. We have no idea which route is observed by Zelretch
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>Takeuchi: If the three heroines were to be Shirou's wives,
there by takeuchi himself. there is no one wife. fuck off.
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>>184558332
>Shirou/Sakura fanart getting a little boost because of recent adaptation
Imagine my shock

Meanwhile Shirou/Saber remains constant since 2004
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>>184542920
I mean, it's pretty objectively not a quick read by comparison to all works of fiction ever written. You could finish practically anything in 50 hours
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>>184545923
A man of rare taste
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>>184554648
>Shaggy meme
>>Reddit
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>>184558801
All of them
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>>184558801
That's literally Zelretch appearing in HF True. Assuming his eyes aren't closed, there's your answer right there.
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Nice.
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>>184558830
Nasu said that Shirou/Sakura seemed more popular all the way back in 2006.
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>>184558801
Imagine being this wrong
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>>184550397
Stop posting this shit, you faggot.
Anyone who responds to this guy seriously is a retard. He does this with BB pictures he gets from reddit all the time.
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>>184559133
Good job outting yourself as being from there.
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>>184559133
>He does this with BB pictures he gets from reddit all the time.
And how would you know this?
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>>184554621
Rin is straight. Stop spreading lies.
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>>184558880
>delusional saberfag goes quiet
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>>184558785
>The first 11 days of Heaven's Feel are still leftover from the hack and slash that is the route, chalk full of unfulfilled flags for a potential romance with her
>Fate and Hollow Ataraxia still see her wanting to hook up with Shirou

I mean this isn't surprising considering Nasu's track record of writing little sister characters, but I still very much doubt this.

Also where does this come from? I've never seen it, and I've read Complete Material 2.
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>>184558880
And the next day he could decide to pop over to UBW Good. You have no more ground to stand on than the guy who was sperging out about Last Episode. I don't even know why Nasu said that given the nature of the Second Magic, unless what he meant was canon litterally changes from one day to the next based on Zelretch's vacation plans.
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>>184559210
>>184559259
Because he stated his source for said images as coming from reddit in a previous thread
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>>184559480
>Also where does this come from?
The date with Sakura in Ataraxia
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>>184542621
Rhino > Sameface > Worms
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>>184559573
Lmao, I know where the screencap comes from. It's my screencap from the game. I meant the passage from Nasu and Takeuchi, which sounds recent.
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>>184559480
>I've read Complete Material 2.
CM II. Chats talking about different characters.
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>>184559527
The timeline Zelretch goes =/= the timeline being observed by Zelretch.
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>>184542621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdeFhWJA8Fs

ABS
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>>184552773
>More Cooking when
Please look forward to "Today's Menu for the the Emiya Family: Fate/Grand Order Edition"
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>>184559663
TAa did draw a Today's Menu for Chaldea Family special chapter though
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>>184542621
Saber > Sakura > Rin > Illya
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>>184542621
They're all great and all match a part of Shirou's personality. If I had to pick one, it'd be based on my own personal tastes and therefore irrelevant to any larger discussion at hand.

The best route would be a harem route, but short of Rin bullying the other two into accepting it, I don't see how that's possible.
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>>184559527
Well achtchually, point of LE was that SaberxShirou exist outside and without Zelretch observation. SakuraxShirou or ShirouxRin need an observer unlike ShirouxSaber.

Ergo SaberxShirou existing is only certainty in Fate alongside throne while other routes are in oblivion
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>>184559769
>saberfag STILL trying
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>>184550998
I thought she was one.
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>>184551169
Will she kill this one too?
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>>184559616
Oh, it is in there? Not sure how I missed that. So it's not more recent then.

I wonder if Nasu's changed his mind at all since then...

>Chats talking about different characters.
I'm sorry are you insinuating something?
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>>184559715
Cute!
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>>184559879
I am right, fag
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>>184559945
>I'm sorry are you insinuating something?
Huh? It's literally called "CMII chats". Nasu and Takeuchi talk about different characters from our main cast to the other servants and even the maids of Illya.
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>>184559602
Based and zettaipilled.
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>>184559960
Nah.
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>>184559769
Zelretch also exists outside tho, just like Avalon and ToH. Also since being observed = canon, so non-canon = isn't being observed by Zelretch ?
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>>184560055
Some fags just can grasp infinity
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>>184560087
>. Also since being observed = canon, so non-canon = isn't being observed by Zelretch ?
Its still canon, just not real inverse.
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>>184560214
So the final conclusion is every ending is canon, even the bad end ?
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>>184560006
>Huh? It's literally called "CMII chats".
Oh, sorry. I might've read into that. I'm a little tired, admittedly. Thanks though, I'll have to re-read through those, they sound interesting to re-read if I forgot that bit.

I still stand my ground on the fact she's written to be valid, no matter how Nasu's thoughts on her have changed in hindsight. It doesn't change how loving, affectionate, and flirtatious she was written to be during Fate and Hollow Ataraxia. There was a lot of potential from a romance with her and Shirou, and I really hope Nasu's changed his mind since he and Takeuchi made these comments.
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>>184542621
I side with the only woman who is worthy of my attention.
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>>184560336
JEANNE THE MAN STRIKES AGAIN!
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>>184558975
>Sakura more popular in a time post Deen anime which was well regarded by the nips and gave Saber an even bigger cult following
Imagine being this delusional
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>>184560440
>Deen anime which was well regarded by the nips
The fuck? No it wasn't
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>>184560440
Saber being popular goes without saying. It's Shirou/Saber that wasn't really all that popular. Shirou and Sakura were basically seen as the unpopular duo that everyone acknowledged as being meant for eachother, but who didn't have the mass appeal of characters like Saber, Rin and Archer.
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>>184560506
>Sold over 35k copies even with all of it's problems and piss poor budget
Yeah it was. It's no wonder Deen/Geneon didn't want to concede F/SN to Aniplex/Ufo
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>>184560590
Nigga what are you smoking? Shirou/Saber is the most popular canon pairing of the VN and even without counting the canon ones it measures up to the kinds of Archer/Rin and Archer/Lancer
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>>184560336
She would cuck you for the pope desu
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>>184560681
Liking Saber doesn't mean wanting to see her together with Shirou. Most people just saw him as an annoying kid getting in the way of Saber during Fate, to the point even Nasu regrets how he wrote their relationship. Japan hated the fuck out of Shirou until around when the Ufotable UBW anime came out.
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>>184560790
You're confusing how some people in the west perceived Shirou to how he was perceived in Japan. He was always well liked there.
>Liking Saber doesn't mean wanting to see her together with Shirou.
By 2006, the only real exposure for Saber was the Fate route, where she falls in love and gets together with Shirou albeit temporarily. She was popular because of this not in spite of it because she has almost no notable role in the other two routes.
>Most people just saw him as an annoying kid getting in the way of Saber during Fate, to the point even Nasu regrets how he wrote their relationship
You're retarded. LE would not exist if people hated or disliked the Shirou/Saber relationship the most. It is literally a special ending made for the two of them alone.
The only thing Nasu said he regrets is that he was still an "inexperienced writer" and thus had to rely on making Shirou repeat in his mind that "Saber was a girl" in order for Nasu to convince himself of that fact since that by that point in time the image of the male Saber was still in his mind.

>Japan hated the fuck out of Shirou until around when the Ufotable UBW anime came out.
Lying again. Shirou was well liked before it. Not on the level of any heroine (except maybe Sakura) but he was never hated there to the extent he was in the west.
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>>184558975
Shirou/Sakura was always the least popular F/SN pairing. In the west Shirou/Rin is more popular. In Japan/Asia Shirou/Saber is more popular

https://www.strawpoll.me/6821125/r
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>>184560758
Does this look like a pope to you?
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>>184561100
>22 votes for Shirou/Ilya
Thank you, you 22 wonderful people ;-;
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>>184561131
Your ass is the pope
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>>184561214
>Pic relevant
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>>184561214
Illya is not for fugg
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>>184561374
Illya smells like sour milk
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Rin >>> Saber >>>>>>>> Sakura
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>>184561028
>LE would not exist if people hated or disliked the Shirou/Saber relationship the most
LE exists because Takeuchi is that much of a Saberfag. LE was never suppose to happen, we were suppose to get the Robot man ending originally since Nasu had no problem with the bittersweet ending she got in the original VN.
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>>184561028
>He was always well liked there.
You can't go a single Japanese F/SN thread without someone remarking how much more Shirou is liked than he was back in the day. He and Sakura were basically the black sheep of the franchise for a long time.
>By 2006, the only real exposure for Saber was the Fate route, where she falls in love and gets together with Shirou albeit temporarily.
And that's a large part of why Shirou was disliked, although he was hated for the HF route too. Shirou's uptick in popularity definitely came with the UBW anime adaptations, and the HF anime made him even more popular since Sudou's masterful directing supported Shirou's decisions about Sakura rather than undermining them at every turn with misleading narration like the VN did.
>LE would not exist if people hated or disliked the Shirou/Saber relationship the most.
The original Fate ending is easily interpreted as a sad "Saber dies, the end" ending, which is why people wanted an overtly happy ending for her. LE shows that Saber has an afterlife and gives her Shirou to spend it with, but Shirou himself doesn't say or do much once he's in Avalon. He's more of a self-insert for Takeuchi there if anything.
>Not on the level of any heroine (except maybe Sakura) but he was never hated there to the extent he was in the west.
Sakura was always more popular than Shirou. Ask any Japanese person how the TM community felt about Shirou in the 00s, though. You'll find that they at most liked him in UBW.
>>184561100
>literal strawpoll
Shirou/Rin is the pairing of choice for Reddit secondaries, perhaps. As for Japan, Nasu himself confirmed that Shirou x Sakura was more popular among fans in 2006.
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>>184561484
She is for kissing, hugging, holding, and loving and reassuring forehead touches though.

>>184561374
Ilya smells like cinnamon and freshly fallen snowflakes you fucker
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>>184546378
Altima,pls. Go away already.
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>>184542621
Saber is the safest pick, she offers the best equilibrium.
Rin is hotter, but she is a brat and a thot. And Sakura is very caring but she is used goods and has mental issues.
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>>184542887
>>184543103
Kuro
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>>184561729
>Shirou/Rin is the pairing of choice for Reddit secondaries, perhaps. As for Japan, Nasu himself confirmed that Shirou x Sakura was more popular among fans in 2006

If doujins are any indication, Shirou/Sakura is not garnering the same effect as Shirou/Rin did, where Rin had a *huge* boost in doujins with UBW. Sakura I haven't seen much from.
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>>184561876
>If doujins are any indication, Shirou/Sakura is not garnering the same effect as Shirou/Rin did, where Rin had a *huge* boost in doujins with UBW. Sakura I haven't seen much from.
I wonder why that could be.
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Just read Shirou using Nine Lives Blade Works on Berserker for the first time. It was so fucking hype, is it in the films yet?
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>>184561876
>If doujins are any indication
It's really not. Shirou tends to be more of a self-insert when paired with Saber or Rin, for that matter.
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>>184561876
>>184561964
don't majority of fate doujins go to f/go these days? its more popular than the vn after all
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>>184562015
>is it in the films yet?
Nope. Third one.
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>>184548584
Correct, but this form is Medusa at her best
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>>184561876
Shirou/Sakura fans are more about wholesome art than distasteful porn fanfics. That just speaks volumes of what kind of person likes Rin.
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Damn, the nips really love the dream/princess sequence Sudou added. They also love the transformation scene. I thought anons said Dark!Sakura would make nips hate Sakura, what happened?
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>>184555449
So canon it wasn't even in the montage for FSN anniversary celebration.
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>>184561673
>LE exists because Takeuchi is that much of a Saberfag
Takeuchi is a picture example of a Saberfag, LE exists because of him and it was well received by the fanbase. Thank you for proving my point
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>>184562228
Sakura haters were full of shit as usual. People will come to like her even more in the third movie, too, since Sudou won't fail to notice and emphasize how Dark Sakura ends up being a heroic character if anything when you look at what she actually does.
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>>184552337
Maybe because the
>wormslut!
>old men!
>WORMSLUT!
>OLD MEN!
thing got old
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>>184562228
Dark!Sakura is one of the main reasons why Sakura is my favorite, so I don't know why anyone would say that. If you already dislike Sakura, you obviously wouldn't like Dark!Sakura.
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>>184562456
Based
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>>184561729
>You can't go a single Japanese F/SN thread without someone remarking how much more Shirou is liked than he was back in the day.

Like you know japanese, EOP.

>He and Sakura were basically the black sheep of the franchise for a long time.

False. He was easily above Tohno Shiki level and Shiki was still a well liked protagonist.

>And that's a large part of why Shirou was disliked

He was only disliked by some people in the west. He was never hated in Nipland.

>The original Fate ending is easily interpreted as a sad "Saber dies, the end" ending, which is why people wanted an overtly happy ending for her. LE shows that Saber has an afterlife and gives her Shirou to spend it with, but Shirou himself doesn't say or do much once he's in Avalon. He's more of a self-insert for Takeuchi there if anything.

Big part of LE is telling things from Shirou's POV. How things went for him after the grail war ended. It absolutely is not just an empty faceless self insert. It's an ending for him as much as it is for Saber

>Ask any Japanese person how the TM community felt about Shirou in the 00s, though. You'll find that they at most liked him in UBW.

He's certainly more liked nowadays with the UBW and HF adaptations doing a better job with his character for casuals to attach themselves to.That does not change however that he was still well liked before it landed.

Check out all the official polls. He lands himself above fan favorites like Lancer and Waver.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Popularity_polls


>As for Japan, Nasu himself confirmed that Shirou x Sakura was more popular among fans in 2006.

Anon, stop speaking crap. The quantity of fanworks for Saber/Shirou is overwhemingly bigger compared to Shirou/Sakura. To this day still. And you're here talking about 2006? A year where the only available adaptation was the well received Deen one where Saber/Shirou is the main focus? Give me a break.

And if Nasu really did say that then where it was?
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>>184561964
The original VN having porn did not stop fan porn from being made back in the day.
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>>184562410
>People will come to like her even more in the third movie, too, since Sudou won't fail to notice and emphasize how Dark Sakura ends up being a heroic character if anything when you look at what she actually does.

That'd be a good way to ruin the 3rd movie.
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>>184562887
>That'd be a good way to ruin the 3rd movie.
It's literally following the VN. Dark!Sakura only kills villains.
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>>184563072
Not that anon but
>Only kill villains
>Zouken
Sure.
>Shinji
Not really a villain, just a misguided soul. Not a bad person according to Rin, Sakura or Shirou post fate even though they knew his shitty deeds.
>Kirei
Not a villain
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>>184563072
Aside from various bad ends, sure, sort of.
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>>184563270
I mean I love Kirei too but calling him not a villain is just retarded
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Saber/Artoria to draw you into the franchise (whoah! I can summon and hang out with [hero]! Maybe even romance them!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLQW6piG_z8

Rin for cozy, intermediary buddy comedy magic war intrigue (mages can be crazy evil, but these upper class nimrods can be fun as well!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xW3U6koAE

Sakura to showcase a preview of how dark the setting can get and the emotional lows it can dip into (wow. This is, um, this was happening in the background of the other two routes. Awkward.):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4n3FWOEtUg
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>>184562063
I believe in Sudou and the action directors, they will deliver and create one of the most hype moments in anime history.
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>>184563377
He's just upholding church dogma. Fucking Liberals.
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>>184563591
>all that abuse Saber heaped on Mordred during the Summer Event because she didn't want her dumbass son ruining her vacation

God, that was fun.
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>>184563377
Villain implies he was in the wrong or otherwise evil, on the contrary he was a broken person striving for better. He saved lives like he took them
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In the end, he was sort of right. Being "reborn" (albeit sans the intended demiurge-tier power) let Avenger change and atone to a degree, even overcoming his instinctively villainous nature in a manner that Kirei could only dream about when it came to his own warped brain chemistry
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>>184563072
Dark Sakura is not a hero. She was a menace who needed to be stopped in order to save Sakura.
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>>184562791
>Like you know japanese, EOP.
毎日日本語サイトのフェイトスレを読んでますが、何か?ところで、グーグルで「士郎 ふに」か「衛宮士郎 ふに」を入力してみてください。オートコンプリートが面白いものを見せますから。
>He was easily above Tohno Shiki level. He was never hated in Nipland.
Shiki was just a self-insert. Tsukihime's fanbase didn't really care much for guys in general either, Fate being groundbreaking for its time with Archer and Lancer being popular despite being male characters in an eroge. On the other hand, Shirou was in 7th then 11th place in the first two polls. He did alright in the 2012 all-TM poll, but the results from the early days are what they are. Even the voice actors other than Noriko Shitaya disliked Shirou and said they preferred Gilgamesh and Archer over him.
>Big part of LE is telling things from Shirou's POV. How things went for him after the grail war ended.
It's basically "he (read: you/Takeuchi) did a bunch of vague awesome stuff in your life, get hype and ignore how LE goes against basic Nasuverse rules, look here's Saber, say hi to her, the end". LE has zero substance as a story whatsoever, and is pure fanservice.
>The quantity of fanworks for Saber/Shirou is overwhemingly bigger compared to Shirou/Sakura.
Pairing Shirou with Saber is the obvious choice since they're the faces of the franchise. The sheer majority of people who pair them see Shirou as more of a Hakuno/Gudao-esque self-insert character as a means to dick Saber (or Rin) rather than actually seeing him as a character, though, if anything getting annoyed at what makes him stand out. Shirou/Sakura fans have always been far more devoted to the both of them as characters.
>And if Nasu really did say that then where it was?
Right here:
>士郎とセイバーのペアで投票する方も多かったようですが、組み合わせでは士郎と桜が一番だった気がします。
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>>184562423
Yeah. Why need to talk about Rin or Sakura when the most popular Type-Moon girl is Mashu now ?
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>>184564077
Repetition is great!
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>>184564105
Mashu? More like Mashed-poo!
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>>184542621
Remember when people shit on sakura for years calling her wormslut and until she got a movie about her route that shows the sex?
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>>184564190
Mashu is far better than your waifu and her popularity is gonna be increased with Babylonia and Camelot anime
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>>184563270
Shinji was offered new chances over and over and went out of his way to reject them, and she killed him in self-defense. Kirei literally wanted all evils of the world to be born into the world, killing Sakura in the process.
>>184563972
Dark Sakura is still Sakura. Even when corrupted, she took out Zouken and Kirei for the sake of Shirou, and was about to do the same with Angra Mainyu, even if stopping him would entail sacrificing herself.
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>>184564125
it's still more open-ended than the eva conundrum
it's been 24 years and the only consensus we have is that it's possible to answer to 'rei or asuka' with 'misato'
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>>184564289
Yeah, Rinfags sure were mad.
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>>184542621
>sakura - has worms
>rin - can't hold her water
>seiba - a shit

The only right answer is me, the glamorous and beautiful Luvia
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>>184564299
Mashu was also originally going to appear in F/SN as a heroine to Shirou like Saber, Rin and Sakura but was scrapped because she was too good.
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>>184564483
Fuck off, forklift.
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>>184564382
>Shinji was offered new chances over and over and went out of his way to reject them
It wasnt Shinjis fault he was fucked up in the head. That doesnt make him a villain.
>she killed him in self-defense.
She was okay with the rape but not with Shinji telling Shirou about it. It wasnt self defense but plain murder.
> Kirei literally wanted all evils of the world to be born into the world, killing Sakura in the process.
Well, Sakura dying at that point would have been a net positive given the damage she had done. Plus, how do you know Angra Manjew is actually evil and harmful?
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>>184554013
cry more
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>>184564717
>It wasnt Shinjis fault he was fucked up in the head.
It literally was. Nobody was ever judging him for his lack of talent, he just was autistically obsessed with pretending he was a magus out of his own pride.
>She was okay with the rape
No, that's why it's called rape. He attacked her, and she struck back.
>Sakura dying at that point would have been a net positive given the damage she had done
You mean killing four villains?
>how do you know Angra Manjew is actually evil and harmful?
We know it from how it killed over a hundred civilians.
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>>184564879
>Nobody was ever judging him for his lack of talent, he just was autistically obsessed with pretending he was a magus out of his own pride.
Read FSN and HA. Shinji was basically a unwanted member inside his family from the moment he showed lack of circuits.
>No, that's why it's called rape. He attacked her, and she struck back.
That wasnt the case though, she only struck back when Shinji said he will reveal everything to Shirou. Self defense is about intent too, that makes it more like a slaying or plain murder.

There is seriously no arguing about this. If she had resisted rape, then it would have been self defense. However Sakura killed Shinji not in self defense but to silence him so that she would not lose standing in Shirous eyes. Thats a major plot point.

>We know it from how it killed over a hundred civilians.
Wasnt Angras fault

Read the fucking VN etc
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>>184564841
Damn I wish Parvati‘s art wasn’t shit
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>>184564483
Luvia is the best, but Sakura is a close second.
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>>184542621
What does it matter?

They're just used goods/whores all the same.
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>>184564042
>Using Google TL
So not only you're an EOP but you're a newfag as well?
>Shiki was just a self-insert.
Holy shit, you're truly retarded. TM protagonists that come from VNs like Shiki and Shirou had self insert characteristics but Nasu never really guided their characters to be only that.
>Fate being groundbreaking for its time with Archer and Lancer being popular despite being male characters in an eroge
Shirou was ahead of Lancer in every popularity poll since release. What kind of metric are you using?
>On the other hand, Shirou was in 7th then 11th place in the first two polls [..] but the results from the early days are what they are.
He was the second best TM male in the first poll and the third best TM male in the second poll he was featured in above F/Z Rider, F/SN Lancer and Waver.
>Even the voice actors other than Noriko Shitaya disliked Shirou...they preferred Gilgamesh and Archer over him.
Speaking nonsensical unfounded bullshit yet again. Please stop unless you can actually prove what you say.
>It's basically "he (read: you/Takeuchi) did a bunch of vague awesome stuff in your life
Confirmed for not having read LE. Unless Takeuchi is an autisti obsessed with being a hero and saving people then there is no way "he" is the one in that ending.
>Ignore how LE goes against basic Nasuverse rules.
Wrong. LE is the equivalent to Tsukihime's last epilogue scene with Shiki and Aoko. It ties up Shirou's overaching arc in the VN perfectly and gives follow up to the continuation of the dream that Saber wanted.
>Pairing Shirou with Saber is the obvious choice since they're the faces of the franchise.
Shirou was unpopular but now he is the face? Also nice excuse you have there. The Sakura pairing still has the fewest content among the canon ones, deal with it.
> Shirou/Sakura fans have always been far more devoted
Then why do they have less content? Aren't they more devoted? Seems to me you're full of crap.
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>>184564042
>Nasu's phrase: "There seemed to be many people voting with Shiro and Saber, but I feel that Shiro and Sakura were the best in combination."
I remember that phrase. It has nothing do with popularity as it was a mock poll about tag team battles (Shirou and Saber still won that btw) Nasu only said he liked Shirou and Sakura's combination best. You're completely and utterly full of crap.
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>Read FSN and HA. Shinji was basically a unwanted member inside his family from the moment he showed lack of circuits.
Zouken was disappointed the Matou blood was running dry, but he didn't blame Shinji, since the issue started in earlier generations. He treated him alright for being Zouken, while Sakura was kind to the point of ridiculousness.
>she only struck back when Shinji said he will reveal everything to Shirou
He attacked first and tried to kill her earlier. She had all the right in the world to kill him, and even then, she did it on accident.
>Wasnt Angras fault
Kotomine and Ilya say otherwise. Read the VN.
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>>184564536
That's right. Im glad that Nasu and Takeuchi let her being the only one main heroine in FGO. Mashu deserves all the love
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>>184565630
It was literally Nasu's comment about a popularity poll. What are you on about?
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>>184564042
Kawasumi did say Shirou was the only for Saber in a recent interview. Regardless of her personal views whatever they are, at least she understands her character.
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>>184565706
1) It was a mock poll about randomic tag team battles. Originally Sakurafags used that phrase to say that "Nasu likes Shirou/Sakura pairing the best" until the original meaning was revealed by a TL anon. I honestly don't understand how it went from "Nasu likes Shirou/Sakura the best" to "Shirou and Sakura won that poll".

Nonsensical, there is no end to your disingenuity
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>>184554578
>ayako at bottom
absolutely terrible taste
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>>184564299
>>184564536
Mashu is so fucking boring. Her pairing with the blank self insert senpai is forced as fuck as well.
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>>184565840
Not that anon but from what i remember then HF is Nasu's most favorite route though, so i will not surprised if Nasu likes Shirou/Sakura the best
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>>184565911
Do you even read FGO story ?
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Suddenly, while you are shitposting about waifus on 4chan, Arc and Gil burst in and demand to know which of them you think would win in a fight.

How do you answer without the other one killing you?
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>>184565964
>Not that anon
kek, sure
>Not that anon but from what i remember then HF is Nasu's most favorite route though
He never said anything like that but it wouldn't surprise me. HF has that dark horror feeling that Nasu enjoys the most
>so i will not surprised if Nasu likes Shirou/Sakura the best
Liking HF the most does not entail liking Shirou/Sakura the most. Unlike Fate, whose climax is all about how invested you are in the Shirou/Saber relationship, HF has more things going for it.
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>>184565911
Tbh her pairing with Guda doesn't make sense at all. But Mashu's character development was great so i'll forgive it
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>>184566010
I read. She is boring and one note. Her development is a repeat of past Nasu characters. She's an uninspired fap bait who couldn't even stay dead.
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>>184561214
Well, it's 24 people now
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>>184566107
>"""""character development"""""
It'd be good if her main source of interaction wasn't a boring piece of wood.
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They're still taking votes? Make that 25 then!
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I couldn't find the pic for HF being Nasu's favorite route (the one with Nasu, Koyama and Takeuchi chose their favorite route, heroine and another category but i forgot ;_;) but apparently i found this pic. It seems like Nasu even likes Sakura more please don't forget Arc and Aoko
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>>184566234
Pooooo stinky Illya!
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>>184542621
Illya > Saber > every other girl > powergap > Wormslut > Tohsaka Rin
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>>184566234
I'll raise you with 26
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My Waifu
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>>184565589
>Google TL
Nice job showing you're an EOP. That part is about Google autocomplete suggestions.
>TM protagonists that come from VNs like Shiki and Shirou had self insert characteristics but Nasu never really guided their characters to be only that.
Shirou was more than that, of course, even if he had to be fit into that role as admitted by Nasu, but Shiki really was plain bland until Kagetsu Tohya.
>Shirou was ahead of Lancer in every popularity poll since release. What kind of metric are you using?
That wiki is missing the first two popularity polls for some reason. The polls there are from 2012. Lancer even beat Ilya in the second one, while Shirou didn't make it into the top 10.
>He was the second best TM male in the first poll and the third best TM male in the second poll he was featured in above F/Z Rider, F/SN Lancer and Waver.
How new are you if you think the 2012 polls were the 1st and 2nd ones? Also, he's in 12th and 15th place.
>Please stop unless you can actually prove what you say.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12058610
About 38 minutes in.
>Unless Takeuchi is an autisti obsessed with being a hero and saving people then there is no way "he" is the one in that ending.
You know what self-inserting is, right?
>LE is the equivalent to Tsukihime's last epilogue scene with Shiki and Aoko.
No, that's HF True, what with it being from Rin's perspective just like the prologue.
>Shirou was unpopular but now he is the face?
He's the main character, so yeah? Shinji in Eva isn't exactly popular, but Reifags and Asukafags will still ship them with him for the sake of self-inserting.
>The Sakura pairing still has the fewest content among the canon ones, deal with it.
So? Literally only you think that matters.
>Then why do they have less content? Aren't they more devoted? Seems to me you're full of crap.
Because Sakura isn't the choice of casuals who just made F/SN content because it was trendy. People drew Saber doujins because Saber herself was popular.
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>>184565840
>It was a mock poll about randomic tag team battles
What tag team battle poll? You'll have to show that it actually exists for anyone to take that claim seriously. The quote comes from the second popularity poll. You're right that it can also be interpreted as Nasu liking Shirou/Sakura the most, though.
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Saber is for Monty Python posting
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>>184542920
It took me almost a year to finish FS/N. Couldn't read more than an hour without falling asleep, but I persevered. It taught me a valuable lesson, that if you're not enjoying something 20+ hours in , you should probably just drop it.
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>>184563451
I'm pretty sure he doesn't give two shits about the official dogma and has his own views and he uses church views to rattle others, while his actual motivations are different.
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>>184567681
It's a joke. His insistence on letting Angry Manjew be born because "he can't be evil if he hasn't even been born yet" reminded me of the church's staunch anti-abortion stance.
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>>184567681
Nasu has said that except for the part about want to kill everyone and end the world, Kirei was a perfectly devote Christian. What you're saying would more accurately describe Ciel.
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>Zouken was disappointed the Matou blood was running dry, but he didn't blame Shinji, since the issue started in earlier generations. He treated him alright for being Zouken, while Sakura was kind to the point of ridiculousness.
I mean at this point you should read HA. Zouken wasnt the only member of Matoi family during Shinjis youth, his father IIRC was rather nasty towards him.
>He attacked first and tried to kill her earlier. She had all the right in the world to kill him, and even then, she did it on accident.
Sure, in context of self defense she had the right but not in the context of making his mouth stay shut. Sure, that would fly in the court of law but we as the reader know it was Shinjis mouth which got him killed and Sakura was rather proactive on the killing part. It wasnt self defense nor righteous, she could have had just broken his bones or drained his life but she opted for the kill.
>Kotomine and Ilya say otherwise. Read the VN.
Either youre being dishonest or didnt read the bloody thing. Angra doesnt even have any knowledge about the murders, there is no sentience.
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>>184567316
Wait, wouldn't the answer to this be "A japanese swallow"?
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>>184567300
There needs to be more of these
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>>184567902
>>184567949
Altermind
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>>184567316
This needs 2 more panels, one is Assassin going what and a 2nd one with him dead
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>>184567745
That's the point. He kind of uses the old idea of anti-abortion as an excuse to get manjew born, but his actual motivation was different and he uses it merely to see Shirou squirm.

>>184567782
There's a difference between being a christian and believing catholic dogma.

I'm not really sure whether Nasu made that much of a distinction between these two, but it's been noted that his mere presence in the church is pretty much a contradiction due to his abilities and who he was. His own sentiments of how he's wicked also doesn't really suit a representant of church I'd say, but that's kind of outside of the VN.
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>>184568030
Would the dead panel be from when true Assassin burst out of him from the HF film?
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>>184568132
I would prefer the one where he lost the 2nd duel with Saber in UBW
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>>184556285
The Singularity isn't the actual war. In the war, Marisbury Animusphere and his Caster Solomon killed the others and made their wishes. And that was the first Fuyuki Grail War in that setting. They were both self-aware of the actual ritual, Marisbury thought third stuff was shit and had no interest on it.
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>>184558365
Zelretch's observation is meaningless. He's a dirty vamp and History system is run by the human collective which has their observers already none of which is Zelretch.
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>>184558880
>forgetting Nasu wrote Garden of Avalon with Merlin observing Arturia's happy ending which triggers Fou release which is pivotal to FGO
Zelretch's observation is vastly inferior, when he cannot breach Avalon while Merlin can.
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People exaggerated how much Japan hated Sakura even back in the day, it was mostly memeing, Sakura wasn't in the top 5 but still higher than the MC, so Nasu kinda just memed hard on her, while it wouldn't do to meme on Shirou because he has to make the MC look cool regardless of his popularity (which wasn't that bad but you know people and popularity polls, if you ain't top 5, you're garbage). Sakura got huge amounts of fanart like the other heroines, with Shirou and alone. There was even the silliness that Dark Sakura was more popular than Sakura despite both getting equal fanart and Dark Sakura doing pretty crappy as a singular entry, with Sakura herself only increasing in popularity over time. Nasu just got proven that if you properly market a heroine, they do fine, and he's been backtracking the memes ever since.
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>>184568892
Cope
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>>184569000
Cope with what? With the sound of non canon vampire while Merlin's called and lauded by Nasu as the Observer of Humanity until the extinction of the Universe?
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>>184568911
She did get into the top 5 in the second poll, but he kept going on about "muh Rider". Ironically, signs suggest that Rider beating Sakura originated in some people votespamming her (along with Taiga) in a tiny magazine poll and finding it so funny when Nasu freaked out about it that they decided to keep it up for the first two official ones. It's quite telling how far she suddenly fell in the 2012 poll.
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>muh parallel works
The system is now reworked by Nasu. This is how it works: every 100 years or so, the human order measures the average history and thus all timelines who meet the quota, even with their differences get to pass, and those who are too wildly divergent (like a meteorite happened to crash on earth and killed most lifeforms) gets pruned.

It has shit to do about who Shirou fucks, his love life is wholly irrelevant and filler and not even a part of history.
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>>184568911
She wasn't hated, but she was the most unpopular of the three original heroines and HF was also the most unpopular route. Then she started to pick up in terms of popularity because fans grew up and started to appreciate HF despite it being much darker than Fate/UBW, but Nasu still kept memeing on her. It was in the recent years that he stopped.
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>>184569172
Because he moved to her clones.
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>all these people talking about Zelretch and not the superior Magician.
Punk ass bitch doesn't even have his own Visual Novel. And neither does that Slut Scáthach.
Forget the Tsukihime remake, Mahoyo sequal when?
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>>184569153
> nu-TypeMoon F/GO shit
Who cares.
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>>184569000
Reminder that Merlin only released Cath Palug (Fou) because he was entranced by the fact that Saber found love and was happy. FGO as it is is literally a result of Fate.
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>>184569153
>It has shit to do about who Shirou fucks, his love life is wholly irrelevant and filler and not even a part of history.
>his love story that decides Fate of humanity like 100 times is irrelevant
okay lad
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>>184569284
Nobody cares about the worst sister, this is a Touko board
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>>184569172
>because fans grew up and started to appreciate HF
>muh heavens feel is a more mature story meme
Fuck Heavens Feel. It has the worst Heroine and the worst Shirou. Saber inspires Shirou to pursue his dream. Rin stands by him while he does so, keeping him from becoming Archer. Sakura forces him to abandon his dream because she is too big a piece of shit to take care of herself and needs Shirou to watch her 24/7 rather than have time to go help other people.
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>>184569368
Get fucked you jealous bitch
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>>184569330
>FGO as it is is literally a result of Fate.
Hammering down why it's literally the worst route. Fucking gacha shit.
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>>184569396
Youre defending a literal child molester. Touko should have had won, think of the children.
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>>184542644
The answer came right away.
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>Nasu: Shirou's the kind of main character who wants to save as many people as possible and make them all happy, in contrast, Shiki from "Tsukihime" is the kind of person who only cares about those closest to him and their happiness.
>Takeuchi: Shiki was the guy I wanted to be when I grew up, back when I was in middle school and first learned about otaku culture. Shirou, on the other hand, was who I wanted to be way back when I was in elementary school and knew nothing about any of that stuff (laughs)
Shirou and his ideals are childish. Sure there's something beautiful about them to an extent, but constantly putting yourself at risk because of some misplaced sense of guilt isn't healthy. Shirou becomes his most human in HF.

>Shirou is a self-sacrificing idealist who was essentially guided through life by the things he believed in, but Sakura was an exception for him. Only when dealing with Sakura was the idealistic and profound Shirou Emiya reduced to a mere human being with more mundane thoughts and emotions.
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>>184569471
Nice meme "Red".
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>>184569172
No, there definitely were absolutely insane Sakura haters, just like the ones in the west. The anti-Sakura discourse in the west was pretty much imported directly from them too, as shit like "used goods" was never a thing the west gave a single shit about until 4chan started reading about Japan's eroge culture at the time (also, "Mind of Steel" is a direct translation of the Japanese fan term 鉄心 rather than the actual name of the bad end. I'd wager there were a few vocal BLfags or /b/fags constantly shitposting about Japanese discussions in the early days of the western TM fanbase and influencing it that way).

The major mistake Nasu made was pandering to them with shit like constantly bringing up the poll results and shafting her instead of just clarifying the common misunderstandings and calling out the messed up mentality of purityfags. Had Nasu just not caved in to the haters, chances are she'd have been up there with Saber and Rin after just a year or two.
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>>184569571
Dont you have glasses or innocence to steal?
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>>184569567
>Only when dealing with Sakura was the idealistic and profound Shirou Emiya reduced to a mere human being with more mundane thoughts and emotions.
And that's terrible. Despite all the talk of Shirou being a shit magus, has the potential to be great. He has a fucking Reality Marble in him. He can do incredible things. Sakura drags him down to mere human levels. It's like throwing the Mona Lisa into a Pile of mud.
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>>184569426
Still brought incredible money to TM and is what matters nowadays. Cope.
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>>184569650
Don't you Have blue hair dye to buy since you'll never be called Blue any other way?
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>>184567888
>I mean at this point you should read HA. Zouken wasnt the only member of Matoi family during Shinjis youth, his father IIRC was rather nasty towards him.

If I remember Zero Material right, Byakuya did try to keep Shinji away from the despair of the Matou being Zouken's slaves. But when he found out accidentally about Sakura, the dude kinda broke and sank further into alcoholism until he died. But nowhere does it say he beat him or even neglected him much. Shinji was the one deluded enough to somehow think the girl who looked like death frozen over was getting any sort of positive attention from his father because he spent long times with her (we found out later it was beatings since Sakura gained the ability to sense hostile intent, even while asleep).

And Angra doesn't have sentience, but the VN says it is power with a direction, it wants to be born, as an instinct to follow the wish.
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>>184569341
Except it does not? Shirou can fuck Issei if he wants and nothing will change. As long Saber is saved in one timeline, she'll go to the Other Side, and Fou will be released (IM takes the rest).

That said, if Saber hadn't at least found some answer, chances are Merlin and Fou would have broken out Avalon (Merlin was planning to) and both are potential Beasts. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy with HF outcome.
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There's nothing terrible about a Shirou who becomes his most human. Sure he had the potential to be a great magus, but a normal life was important to Shirou as well. It's not just Sakura that's made safe haven in the Emiya household, Shirou did as well. While his trauma is nothing compared to Sakura's, it's still very much there and this route allows for him to properly heal instead of constantly putting himself at risk because of some misplaced sense of survivors guilt. Plus Shirou can still help others if he truly wanted to, you don't need supernatural abilities to do so. Look at all the people who help others in the RL.
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>>184566856
Nice interpretation skills, i'm implying you literally just used GT to get a phrase in japanese thinking he could fool anyone. Retard.
>but Shiki really was plain bland until Kagetsu Tohya.
False. Shiki is portrayed as Shirou's opposite in lots of ways (Nasu said they wouldn't like each other even) and his bouts of insanity make him anything but plain.
>That wiki is missing the first two popularity polls for some reason.
In the first F/SN poll ever Shirou was also ahead of Lancer and was the second highest male.If you have any poll where he is behind, show it to me Source and all.
>How new are you if you think the 2012 polls were the 1st and 2nd ones? Also, he's in 12th and 15th place.
The polls I showed you happened before UfoUBW and UfoHF. And in them Shirou was still above Lancer, Waver and F/Z Rider. You're the one contradicting yourself because you have no evidence that contributes to your argument.
>https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12058610
Anon are you for real? They were kidding around by that point, the transmission had already ended basically. I've said before but really your need to twist things uo knows no bounds.
>You know what self-inserting is, right
And you know LE was as much about Shirou as it was about Saber right?
>No, that's HF True, what with it being from Rin's perspective just like the prologue.
Rin was not the MC of SN nor the main heroine. Shirou was the MC and Saber is the main heroine.
> Shinji in Eva isn't exactly popular, but Reifags and Asukafags
You're kidding around now. Shinji is popular as fuck. Especially with all of the fujos around. Only western retards still dislike him at this point.
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Aimer seems to be the singer for FSN and Maaya Sakamoto for FGO. Can we appreciate the music and the actual relevant lyrics?
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>>184569689

You're thinking about it the wrong way here. He says "reduced" but it's more like Shirou accepted what was already there and didn't decide to become a machine. We have no idea what those two will do post HF, but since Sakura has an archbishop as her surrogate father now, and their bodies are more freakish now than they are in the other ends, they likely won't live normal lives. One of the themes present is that those with gifts will have the supernatural come to them, for good or ill.
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>>184566856
>So? Literally only you think that matters.
Literally kills your point that Shirou/Sakurafags are the most devoted and most numerous.
>Because Sakura isn't the choice of casuals who just made F/SN content because it was trendy.
Muh elitism
>People drew Saber doujins because Saber herself was popular
But you said yourself you can like Saber without liking her canon pairing right? You're literally contradicting yourself left and right.
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>>184569876
>but a normal life was important to Shirou as well.
No it wasn't. He never cared about that.
>While his trauma is nothing compared to Sakura's
Bullshit. Shirou literally lost every trace of his entire life before his trauma. You're just a Sakurafag trying to make her sound less like a pile of crap.

I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post. I used to like Sakura. She was my least favorite of the 3 F/SN heroines, but I still liked her. But people like you spouting complete falsehoods to try and make her sound better than she actually is made me hate her. And worse, it has made Rinfags and Saberfags start doing the same thing. So fuck you for making a franchise I legitimately enjoyed objectively worse.
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>>184569689
It's useless talking to wormfags. They think that there is happiness in mediocrity.
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>>184569341
Yeah no? Timelocks are decided on foundational values of history that are shared by multiple timelines on average. Shirou's romance is not a qualifier.

Example: American Independence and the foundation of USA. That's a quantum time lock/history foundation (the name magi give to timelocks). It's an important event that's shared across timelines. Who Shirou fucks isn't. He's probably not even an Emiya in FGO and fucks nobody.

Fate route still happened, and so Saber went to Avalon, Avalon is on the other side of the world, Fou has Independent Manifestation so he can move around freely across anywhere he wants once free. Still doesn't count as history foundation or anything.

Nasu doesn't give a fuck about the small differences between parallel works. It takes huge events to prune a timeline, and is not "Shirou picked Rin/Sakura!"
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>>184566973
The quote comes from some old TM page, at the time they were doing a silly wrestling duo contest and Nasu's comment was about that exactly.

If it was about this supposed second popularity poll and the old TL anon was wrong then please show it to me. And if it had a pairing poll in it then I would like to see it too since that's what you implied before.
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>>184570217
Not the person you're talking to, but I imagine that Fate/Stay Night itself matters, but only along the lines of "Is Angra Mainyu released or not?" Which Heroine Shirou shacks up with along the way to determining that is indeed irrelevant.
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>He never cared about that.
He did. I honestly don't know why you would even try to argue this.

>Bullshit. Shirou literally lost every trace of his entire life before his trauma
What Shirou went through was horrific, there's no arguing that, but Kotomine adopted him and gave him a loving environment. Let's not forget Taiga. Meanwhile Sakura was treated like a guinea pig at the Matou household since the moment she arrived, and eventually started getting raped by Shinji.

>I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post.
Because you know you have no sound argument against what I said. Shirou can still help others if he truly wished to do. You don't need supernatural abilities to do that.
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>but Kotomine adopted him and gave him a loving environment.
u wot mate
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>>184570471
Meant Kiritsugu. My mistake.
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>>184570097
>>184570141

Um, guys, you're the one insulting someone's favorite character and then trying to somehow make them believe you're just being logical. And not listening when people give you good points about that character to suit some narrative.

Not that guy, but while Shirou did lose a lot, he wasn't made into a living Guinea pig, that is objectively worse than what he went through. However, that doesn't take away what he went through or make this a contest of pain.

That is at best disingenuous, at worst hypocritical. I see people say they used to like Sakura, but what sense does it make to insult and degrade a character you supposedly like all the time? Memes, ribning and jokes fine, but the same people I hear say some Sakura fans made them hate Sakura were the types that did those things on a constant basis. You get tired of that shit after a decade, to which you want to just tell those people to grow up, nobody wants to pull your finger anymore.
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>>184570217
>Nasu doesn't give a fuck about the small differences between parallel works. It takes huge events to prune a timeline, and is not "Shirou picked Rin/Sakura!"

Depends on what comes of that coupling.
What if Sakura's freakish link to the other side produced a utopia where people started making larger and larger rituals because she freely shared her mana to help others but then let's say for the sake of argument this caused humanity to stagnate because things came too easily to them? Sakura deciding to use her power like that would be influenced by Shirou if we went full Devil's Advocate.
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>>184570024
>i'm implying you literally just used GT to get a phrase in japanese thinking he could fool anyone. Retard.
Stay delusional. That "ふに" part isn't something a machine translation could come up with.
>his bouts of insanity make him anything but plain.
That was literally the only unique thing about his personality before KT.
>If you have any poll where he is behind, show it to me
https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/11-20.htm
https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/06.htm
>The polls I showed you happened before UfoUBW and UfoHF.
But after DEEN UBW. Obviously not as major as Ufotable UBW, but it raised awareness of UBW Shirou. Also, Shirou was the fifth best male in one of those, behind Archer, Iskandar, Gilgamesh and Kiritsugu. As for the other one, that's okay for the male ranking but abysmally low overall, not to mention it's the poll where Sakura beat Rin and Ryougi beat Saber.
>They were kidding around by that point, the transmission had already ended basically.
Nice try, but googling "植田佳奈 川澄綾子 士郎" makes it clear that it's common knowledge among Japanese fans.
>And you know LE was as much about Shirou as it was about Saber right?
It's far from detailed regarding what he actually did.
>Rin was not the MC of SN nor the main heroine.
She was basically the deuteragonist. HF True is from her perspective for a reason.
>Shinji is popular as fuck.
Keep telling yourself that. There's no shortage of self-insert MCs, at the very least.
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>Literally kills your point that Shirou/Sakurafags are the most devoted and most numerous.
Literally doesn't. Any artist can make doujins of trendy stuff for easy bucks. Saber is well-known and easy to sell to anyone, but her fans aren't nearly as devoted as Sakura's.
>Muh elitism
Yes, even Nasu points out that Sakura fans are the most devoted, after all.
>But you said yourself you can like Saber without liking her canon pairing right?
And you can draw Shirou/Saber doujins without liking it too.
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>>184570774
God dammit Shirou you beautiful bastard, you absolute legend.
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>>184570409
>If it was about this supposed second popularity poll and the old TL anon was wrong then please show it to me.
Sure.
https://www.typemoon.com/users/vote/05.htm
It doesn't seem to be about a separate pairing poll, but referring to how the voters could choose to vote for two characters in the popularity poll (see the 1stPt and 2ndPt thing). Basically, Saber received a lot of votes in general, but when it came to voters who voted for both Shirou and one of the heroines, Sakura was the one who got voted for together with him the most.

There's a brief joke about how Sakura and Rider would be a big-breasted duo in a hypothetical tag team tournament, but anyone trying to connect that to the sentence about votes would have to be an absolute EOP, as Nasu says "それはそれとして", showing that he's changing the subject.
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>>184571209
>>184571209
>Stay delusional. That "ふに" part isn't something a machine translation could come up with.
Damage controlling after being outed.
>That was literally the only unique thing
Wrong. Read the Tsuki epilogue.
>But after DEEN UBW.
DEEN UBW was worse regarded than DEEN 2006. DEEN 2006 is the one that hits up nostalgia with Nips nowadays not the rushed mess of a movie
>Nice try, but googling "植田佳奈 川澄綾子 士郎"...
Because it was a joke? Kawasumi made a harmless joke at the end of the radio transmission since she was doing Saber's voice but saying something OOC. You're the one here making a big deal out of nothing, although Gil/Saber's demented fangirls would also make a big deal out of it I guess. I don't see how that's indication of "hurr durr only Shitaya likes Shirou" especially when Ueda already went on record saying Shirou frustrated her and she tried to understand him (which means she cares, haters would just brush off) and Kawasumi saying that he was the one for Saber recently.
>polls
From what I see this poll is post Hollow and he was still the third best male. Hollow in general gave a good boost for characters like Caster, Lancer, Bazett and Caren which is why they're there in top 10. But as noticed they had no staying power.
>She was basically the deuteragonist
But not the main heroine.
>Keep telling yourself that
He is. If only because his ship with Kaworu is fucking big. And then he also is disputed by the Rei and Asuka fanbases.
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>>184571998
>But not the main heroine.
Not my convo, but Nasu has stated that Rin is the heroine of the VN due to being active in every route. Saber is the mascot.
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>>184571209
>Literally doesn't
Yes it does.
>Saber is well-known and easy to sell to anyone, but her fans aren't nearly as devoted as Sakura's.
We're talming about fanart which generally does not generate money. And you're quite possibly the dumbest person in the thread if you think Sakura has more people obsessed with her than Saber.
>Yes, even Nasu points out that Sakura fans are the most devoted
Nasu is not god and that sounds extremely like a pity praise from me. "Oh look at those guys, they're the smallest but hey at least they're the most devoted"
>And you can draw Shirou/Saber doujins without liking it too.
Literally damage control. Now every Shirou/Saber doujin is made by people who do not like the pair. Lmao

Explain the fanart then, buster. Even with HF around, Saber/Shirou is still the pairing that periodically gets more fanart alongside Rin/Archer.
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The first time I watched Fate/DEEN NIGHT I cried at the ending when Saber died

So I guess Saber
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>>184571735
>It doesn't seem to be about a separate pairing poll
Then it is irrelevant. You can ship two characters without having one of those characters as your top 3 faves. It's not like you only like your top 3 faves.

Also it wasn't this site that had the comment. I'm sure of it.
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>>184572127
Nope, he would never degrade Saber by calling her the mascot. He called her the face of Fate and Rin the usher. And he is right.

Saber's character and conflict pulls you in but it's Rin that introduces the mechanics and world building. Still Saber is the main heroine and that is undeniable.
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I await the day we finally see the Shirou/Ilya & Archer/Ilya fanart boom.

Until then they slowly, but surely trickle out. And I'm thankful to every fanartist who perseveres.
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> tfw If Saber were real she'd think I'm a loser and ignore me
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>>184572327
This makes me wonder what a world would look like where Type Moon released Fate in two parts as intended. The first part would surely be popular still, it's just Fate and UBW in one package. But would Other Night be successful? Would Sakura still be misunderstood? Would most people like Ilya's route? Would she still be misunderstood? Would either ever see animes? Or would it forever be Saber and Rin wanking?
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>>184571998
>Damage controlling after being outed.
Making random claims because you're butthurt that others understand Japanese while you don't is not the same as outing them.
>Read the Tsuki epilogue.
Exactly. It's only at the very end.
>DEEN UBW was worse regarded than DEEN 2006
Obviously, but it still made secondaries realize there was a Shirou different from the Fate one.
>I don't see how that's indication of "hurr durr only Shitaya likes Shirou"
Japan clearly does, seeing how it's brought up very often in their F/SN threads.
>From what I see this poll is post Hollow and he was still the third best male
Doesn't change the fact that he dropped out of the top 10, being in 7th place originally. People gave Sakura endless amounts of shit for being in 6th place once, but Shirou didn't even get that.
>But not the main heroine.
And neither of them is the true heroine, because that's Sakura.
>d-does too!
>We're talming about fanart which generally does not generate money.
No, we were talking about doujins. Nice try.
>if you think Sakura has more people obsessed with her than Saber.
The Saberface phenomenon says it all about the supposed devotion Saberfags have to her character.
>"Oh look at those guys, they're the smallest but hey at least they're the most devoted"
Also known as the difference between low culture and high culture.
>Now every Shirou/Saber doujin is made by people who do not like the pair.
I'm sure everyone drew Hestia because her relationship with Bell was so profound.
>Lmao
Back to wherever you came from.
>Explain the fanart
They want to draw Saber, and Shirou is the natural choice if they want to include a guy since he's the main character. Simple.
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>>184572259
>Then it is irrelevant
Not really in the context of whether people truly appreciate the two characters as a couple or just like a girl and use Shirou to self-insert.
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>>184570941
>>184570418
Not him, but officially speaking what happens in Fuyuki Grail War is not considered a humanity foundation place. The prologue in FGO is a Singularity and has no Humanity Foundational Value (the fall of France would have C+ for example). Even if Angra Mainyu or the Grail is involved, the events happening there have no impact on humanity progress or stagnation. It'll just be a crisis that would be dealt with, but again, this is not relevant to history at all. If it's a crisis that happens, if lucky gets solved by the intervention of counterforce, is unlucky, that timeline gets pruned. Which is not relevant to the common man's history.

FGO doesn't have a tainted Grail, neither does Apocrypha, etc. It's not a repeated event: Humanity foundation values are those things repeated and shared by general panhistory: the foundation and fall of Rome, London becoming a great Empire during the XIX century. Those are actual historical events. Fuyuki is important as lore scenario for weird shit happen due to nostalgia too, but isn't important as far history goes. Please learn the difference.
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>>184572327
>Still Saber is the main heroine and that is undeniable.
pretty sure nasu has stated that rin is the main heroine. both of them are the face of fate by the way, takeuchi stated this in CMII.
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>>184572725
>And neither of them is the true heroine, because that's Sakura.

Anon please... I like her too, but we all know the true heroine is Saber.
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>>184572892
Saber is the main heroine. There's a difference.
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>Literal essays of 'my waifu is better than yours'
yikes sweaty
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>>184572888
You're thinking of Urobuchi. In the same interview, Nasu stated that only Shirou/Sakura represents true love.
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>>184572888
Makes no sense. Rin is deuteragonist but she is no main heroine.
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>>184542621
Rin is the best girl but Sakura has the best story route.
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>>184572888
>pretty sure nasu has stated that rin is the main heroine.
Even if that were true, Takeuchi would say Saber and then Nasu would go along with whatever he said.
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>>184573007
>I feel like Rin has earned her place as a face of the "Fate" series right alongside Saber.
Take that up with Takeuchi then.

>>184572994
Thanks for clearing that up.
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>>184572824
I forgot to add on this. If there's a war in 2004 and is won by Solomon and Marisbury, and is the first one, if it's the fifth one and there's a tainted Grail, is the grail was stolen in the 40s and is now in Romania with two factions. Those are minor footnotes to history even if they enrich the setting.

They do define the backstory of the characters but those are divergences that aren't relevant to the quantum lock based on the Average of history. Each parallel work has divergences for each other, but they have to check out and share the "average history" (repeated big events or foundation values): Rome ws an empire and fell, french revolution happened, the crusades took place, etc. Something that is written and acknowledged by the Generalized Human Principle. I hope is clearer now.
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> Nasu said this Nasu said that
Are you people just shitposting or do you really care what that hack has to say?
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>>184573064
>Takeuchi would say Saber
Who gives a shit what the biggest Saberfag has to say? On the matter of who's the face of the series, Takeuchi has stated both Rin and Saber.
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Imagine arguing about canon routes in a visual novel
All the routes are canon
That's why it's a fucking visual novel
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>>184573110
>Takeuchi said this Takeuchi said that
You Saberfags just turn to Takeuchi, who has the biggest bias.
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>>184573113
Nasu would.
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>>184573171
Using Takeuchi is just as bad despite the indisputable fact that he has excellent taste. Canon doesn't matter, and it's all F/GO shit anyway now. >>184573127 is right.
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>>184573266
>F/GO
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Saber: Main heroine. The face of Fate.
Rin: Deuteragonist. You can't go without her.
Sakura: True heroine. Shirou's wife.
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>>184572725
>Random claims
Actual japanese gets broken uo by GT. Your phrase didn't. Fucking fraud.
>Exactly. It's only at the very end
First it was "Shiki is a self insert with no personality" then it was "wait no he has it in KT" now "oh shit I guess he had at the OG game epilogue". Keep contradicting yourself.
>Obviously, but it still made secondaries realize
Any casual who liked the 2006 anime (the majority in nipland) would research the series enough to know about the other routes.
>Japan clearly does, seeing how it's brought up very often in their F/SN threads.
I guess shitposting sakurafags bring up to start shit like you do when it's pretty clear that's not the case.
>Doesn't change the fact that he dropped out of the top 10, being in 7th place originally
Because Hollow didn't add anything new to him and instead made the secondary characters have more depth.
>People gave Sakura endless amounts of shit for being in 6th place once, but Shirou didn't even get that.
Usually female characters' popularity has more relevance in eroge VNs.
>And neither of them is the true heroine, because that's Sakura
Fucking delusional
>No, we were talking about doujins
Fan content is not only doujin, retard.
>Also known as the difference between low culture and high culture
Muh elitism in a nutshell. You sound like a hipster.
>Back to wherever you came from
lol
>They want to draw Saber, and Shirou is the natural choice if they want to include a guy since he's the main character. Simple
Damage control.

"I-it's not because they like the pairing it's because Shirou is the obvious choice to draw with Saber! Disregard all the kissing, hugging and intimate pics pls"
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>>184573354
Tituria is especially awful.
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>>184573403
>Sakura: True heroine. Shirou's wife.
no
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>>184572800
Kirito is very popular in Japan and his gf Asuna too. I guess he is not a self insert right?
Because that's what you said here. If people like the character, they're not a self insert.

You're retarded.
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>>184573435
It's official.
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>>184573075
>Take that up with Takeuchi then.
>Draws only Saber for F/SN 15th anniversary
Denied.
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>>184573500
>Sakura is the heroine of Heavens Feel
Yep it's official.
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>>184573560
That's what he said in CMII.

>Draws only Saber for F/SN 15th anniversary
Gee, most like she's the most popular character or something.
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>>184573127
Inb4, "But the True Ending/Grand finale of Heaven's Feel!"

It's the last route. You need to finish both Fate and UBW before you even can start Heaven's Feel. It's literally at the end of Fate, while also being the 'True Ending' for Heaven's Feel. Hence; True Ending.

Stop trying to make the other routes and heroines seem less important. Jesus Christ this is more obnoxious than *my* whining of "but consider Ilya!!"

For fuck's sake there's a reason Hollow Ataraxia isn't explicitly set after a specific route.

>>184573403
>Saber: Main heroine. The face of Fate.
>Rin: Deuteragonist. You can't go without her.
>Sakura: True heroine. Shirou's wife.
I appreciate you for trying to be fair, but saying Sakura is the true heroine is just a liiittle biased, no? Rin and Saber are also incredibly important to Shirou (and also Ilya, but I'm letting that go for now, even if she is Kiritsugu's goddamn daughter) Please stop trying to make the other romances seem less important. Again, Hollow Ataraxia doesn't follow one specific romance for a reason.
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>>184573500
Difference.
Saber is called the main heroine and Face of Fate by TM

Rin is called Deuteragonist by TM

Sakura is called true heroine by her delusional fanbase.
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>>184573560
They founded the company together. Takeuchi has just as much authority as Nasu does, probably more since Nasu listens to whatever he says.
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>>184573644
>H-he only drew her because she's popular.
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>>184573712
Takeuchi literally saved Nasu. Nasu would be completely fucked without him
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>>184573405
>Actual japanese gets broken uo by GT. Your phrase didn't. Fucking fraud.
Stay delusional, EOP. You clearly can't into Japanese, so you can't say shit about the Japanese fanbase.
>First it was "Shiki is a self insert with no personality" then it was "wait no he has it in KT" now "oh shit I guess he had at the OG game epilogue". Keep contradicting yourself.
The first two are true. You're the one trying to argue that he has a personality just based off the very last scene of the VN.
>Any casual who liked the 2006 anime (the majority in nipland) would research the series enough to know about the other routes.
But they wouldn't necessarily read them. PCs are relatively rare compared to the west, and the other option was getting a PS2. Not everyone would bother.
>I guess shitposting sakurafags bring up to start shit like you do when it's pretty clear that's not the case.
Stay in denial, EOP.
>Because Hollow didn't add anything new to him and instead made the secondary characters have more depth.
Not making it into the top 10 is still quite telling.
>Usually female characters' popularity has more relevance in eroge VNs.
When Archer gets #3, that flies right out the window.
>Fucking delusional
Stay mad. A lot of the reason people in Japan were mad about HF was because it was the true end of the VN, rendering the first two routes moot.
>Fan content is not only doujin, retard.
Yet you were the one who brought up doujins.
>Muh elitism in a nutshell. You sound like a hipster.
>lol
Lurk the fuck more, newfag.
>"I-it's not because they like the pairing it's because Shirou is the obvious choice to draw with Saber! Disregard all the kissing, hugging and intimate pics pls"
Yup, that is indeed how it is. Get over it, EOP.
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>>184573574
>真ヒロイン
Literally "true heroine".
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>>184573850
I already knew that. He even gave up a cushy job his dad had lined up for him to help Nasu out. There is a reason why Nasu loves the guy so much. But it's not really worth explaining it to people most of the time.
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>>184573674
>Please stop trying to make the other romances seem less important.
Exactly. This was happening with a Saberfag earlier in the thread. All three heroines, all three routes, and all three romances are important. Saber and Shirou literally share the same ideals, Rin literally needs to stay by Shirou's side in UBW so that he doesn't become Archer when he decides to pursue those ideals no matter what, and Shirou literally abandons said ideals for Sakura because he decided to prioritize the woman he loved.
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>>184573698
>Sakura is called true heroine by her delusional fanbase.
And Nasu and the VN itself, but keep pretending it doesn't count.
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>>184573982
>And Nasu
sauce?
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>>184574032
>Uro: There's yet another different type of love depicted in the Sakura route. It really expresses the dark sides that all women have, but how men can accept that and love women regardless. Something akin to the "dignity of men" comes across.
>Nasu: "Romance" is something where a couple blindly pursue each other's ideals. "Love," on the other hand, is something where two people accept each other, including the painful reality that comes with it.

>Sakura-chan route, Heaven's Feel, has two endings. One is the grand finale, the true ending of Fate/Stay Night!
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>>184573266
>F/GO
a lot of Seiba servants
two Rin servants
one Sakura servant
zero Shirou servants
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only thing the three romances showed me is that once shirou decides to concentrate his autism on something, he doesnt stray. he didnt stray in fate,he didnt stray in ubw and he didnt stray in hf. its just in hf his autism is concentrated on sakura instead of ideals.

thats all i got desu.
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>>184573901
>Whining
Stay seething no one bought into your """japanese"""" knowledge retard.
>The first two are true
>Contradicting yourself again
This is too easy. Endgame Shiki is Shiki with the accumulated experience of what he went through in Tsuki, he might not be deranged internally like Shirou but he does have a personality.
>But they wouldn't necessarily read them. PCs are relatively rare compared to the west
Over 200k bought F/SN initially. Nowadays more than 400k copies of the VN were sold.
>Stay in denial, EOP
No argument. Explain Kawasumi saying Shirou is the only one for Saber and Ueda showing her care for the character by literally getting frustrated with him like Rin does.
>Not making it into the top 10
Not really. After those characters day in the limelight period was over, Shirou easily went back to his place.
Btw the 10th anniversary poll had the same issue with FZ chars.
>When Archer gets #3, that flies right out the window.
Archer is a popularity behemoth like Saber
>A lot of the reason people in Japan were mad about HF was because it was the true end of the VN, rendering the first two routes moot
Only a delusional Sakurafag would say this kek.
>Lurk the fuck more, newfag.
This is 4channel now retard. Gtfo
>Yup, that is indeed how it is. Get over it, EOP.
>literally no arguments
Hahahahahaha. Yeah I guess fmdrawing two characters kissing means you don't like them as a pair lol
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>>184574204
>one Sakura servant
sakura has parvati and bb.
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>>184574193
I'm a Sakurafag myself, but I don't see how this points to her being the true heroine.
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>>184574204
>zero Shirou servants
EMIYA, EMIYA Alter and Muramasa
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>>184573901
Honestly feels like you're one person arguing with yourself.
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>>184574204
Archer's in it, even though I'm 90% sure they changed his Seiyuu for the NP voicelines. But hey, at least they kept the song. As for Saber, I really wish they did it the other way around. Saber is such a lovely character and I hate how they flanderized her into meme status with all those shitty saberfaces. Saber's appeal comes from her borderline saintly personality and life. She's a glorious, yet tragic, existence that you can only look at in awe and adore. The fact that she's fucking everywhere and in all those retarded versions completely destroys that perception. There's some Star Wars event right now where she's like Darth Mule or something. She's even got red lightning and that stupid doubled bladed lightsaber. It's like they let Americans write F/GO. It has the same glib tone that American shit has, like the writers expect you to only enjoy it ironically.
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>>184574193
Did not saw Nasu calling Sakura "true heroine" there. His views are also pretty cringe.
>Tuger dojo comment
Wormbro...
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>>184574575
original saber is such a useless servant in f/go
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>>184574570
Don't imply I am a delusional wormtard. It's honestly the worst insult possible.
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>>184574533
Muramasa isn't out yet.
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>>184574605
>His views are also pretty cringe.
What's wrong with them?
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>>184574204
>one Sakura servant
BB and Parvati make two. Dark!Sakura is bound to be announced in the future. Especially with how well Sakura's transformation has been received in Japan since the release of Part II. Either at the end of this year or in 2020 since the third film is out Spring of next year.
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>>184574618
Does that really matter? I recently started playing F/GO and the game is dead easy anyway.
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>>184574931
>Does that really matter?
when she was constantly hyped as the strongest/one of the strongest in the vn then yea.
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>>184573979
Precisely!

That said, he doesn't just abandon his ideals for Sakura, he does it for her, but also for the ones he loves, including and almost as important in this route, Ilya. This is shown throughout the route as he prioritizes both nearly equally. He focuses on Sakura the most, of course, she's the person he threw away his ideals to protect, however in the face of danger Shirou isn't willing to just abandon Ilya, he tries just as hard to protect her even losing his arm in the process, and nearly sacrificing himself to rescue her from Sakura. And between that he even offers her to move in with him, a decision made without Sakura, his partner's involvement.

I don't mean to make Sakura's importance in how Shirou's character is shaped in Heaven's Feel seem less important, it is incredibly important, however it isn't true to say he just abandons his ideals for Sakura. He abandons his ideals for the people he loves, in turn finding his own ideals. Sakura, Ilya, Taiga, Rin, they're all important to him. However, he doesn't even come to that decision without Ilya. And that's some credit that she really, really doesn't get enough when people talk about Sakura and Shirou in Heaven's Feel.

It makes me wonder how an ending where she survived would've gone, but... maybe that's for another discussion.
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>>184574931
Have fun in camelot faggot.
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>>184574981
How does strength in F/GO work anway? My impression is that you just have to level your guys up to make them hit harder. I just picked the cutest Servants from the the rabble I have (god this game is stingy).
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>>184574910
What the difference between BB and Dark!Sakura? (another than "One is from Earth and another is from Moon")
Could just make a costume for BB, like we got school costume for Parvati.
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>>184574725
>Uro: It really expresses the dark sides that all women have, but how men can accept that and love women regardless
As if men have no dark sides
> Something akin to the "dignity of men" comes across.
Fuck is this?
>"Romance" is something where a couple blindly pursue each other's ideals
Fuck does this mean? And how come Shirou and Sakura accepted reality but Shirou and Saber didn't when he had to let her go or Shirou and Rin didn't when he accepted Archer's words and she decided to go with him.
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>>184574998
>he doesn't even come to that decision without Ilya
Of course, but when you plan the VN, you're literally given the options of killing Sakura or abandoning the ideals in order to stay by her side. It all comes down to saving Sakura or not.

>I promised that I'll protect Sakura from everything.
>I can't selfishly die.
>I want to live with Sakura.
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>>184574211
>n-no you blew me the fuck out and proved that you do know japanese, but i'll pretend it doesn't count!
Also, once again, saying that Shiki has a personality in the epilogue doesn't change the fact he has none before it.
>Over 200k bought F/SN initially. Nowadays more than 400k copies of the VN were sold.
Popular for a VN, yes, but secondaries will always be a thing.
>Explain
Explain it being common knowledge in Japan that they dislike Shirou and prefer Gil. Oh wait, you can't, because you can't even read their discussions.
>Shirou easily went back to his place.
Which was never all that high.
>Archer is a popularity behemoth like Saber
And unlike Shirou.
>kek
Only a crossboarding Rinfag would say this. Once again, your denial doesn't change the facts.
>4channel
Yup, crossboarder meme.
>Yeah I guess fmdrawing two characters kissing means you don't like them as a pair lol
You're right, it doesn't. He's just the safe choice to pair her with when you need to include a guy. Ever noticed how female fans would rather ship her with Gil and Rin with Archer? Meanwhile, Shirou is paired with Sakura.
>>184574605
>Cringe
>Wormbro...
Yup, /vg/'s definitely here and seething about Sakura being the canon wife. Hint: Sakura is the heroine of the true ending.
>>184575221
>Fuck is this?
Something that seething Rinfags like you don't have.
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>What the difference between BB and Dark!Sakura?



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