Holy shit, this is even worse than Ideon. Dis Tezuka draw this whenever depression kicked in?
>>184538775what's wrong with it?
>Hi no ToriWhat a great manga.
>>184538775Nah, it was just Tezuka's philosophy towards storytelling.
>>184538918Ideon ended on a happy note with humanity reseted as flying space ghosts. Here what's left of humanity becomes five shafts of fire and radiation over computers in a dickwaving contest.
>>184539450Future arc was kino. It's amazing how accurate was Tezuka about the future of humanity, sci-fi hijinks aside.
Anyone here watched Phoenix 2772? Or the very obscure live action movie directed by Kon Ichikawa?By the way, 2772 is available in youtube, with english subs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VkmHwVOkQ
>Phoenix>(火の鳥 Hi no Tori, "bird of fire"Which one is it?
>>184539731I read some time ago that Darling in the Franxx was more influenced by Phoenix 2772 than Eva but influenced or not, I'm not interested in watching Darling. Anyone know why somebody said that?As a gift, Olga making a cameo in Otaku no Video
Future > Resurrection > Karma > Sun > Nostalgia > Strange Beings > Universe > Life > Robe of Feathers > Yamato > Dawn > Civil warsThey are all good though and I only dislike Civil wars because of the NTR.
Except for that last Greek arc, everything was fucking great. The last arc was just out of fucking place and didnt tie in anything
>>184540067Karma is really fucked up. It's amazing how Tezuka became this friendly anime grampa in Japan and Japanese Disney everywhere while the man was able to do nightmarish shit obviously fueled by his experiences in WW2 and the ocupation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRuFUh1o06wTo be fair, the general audience prefer his children stories rather than his bleak side, except for weirdos like Nagai, Urasawa and director Sion Sono
>>184540149To be fair, Tezuka was literally dying while working on the last arc
>>184540149>>184540344Egypt/Greek/Roma aren't the last arc.They are just prototype of the series from the 1950s in a Shojo magazine. Which is why it feels so out of place.Sun is the last one he worked on. (1986-88)
>>184539731>Kon IchikawaI've only seen his movie "Odd Obsession"
>>184540674Ichikawa has over 100 movies at his name. He made literally everything, from a sci-fi reinterpretation of the myth of the Princess Kaguya (Princess of the Moon, 1988) to a fucking Topo Gigio movie (the saddest kids movie I've ever seen). Ichikawa didn't bother to accept commercial projects, the reason why the iconoclast Nagisa Oshima called him an ilustrator rather than a director, but petty rivalries aside, he has clear fixation with characters wandering in alone in deserted areas, guided by madness or obsession, characters looking for love and a place to belong in an uncaring world (poor Topo Gigio ;_;), etc.His adaptation of Phoenix from 1978 has a lot of Ichikawa-isms while being an adaptation of the Dawn arc. Ichikawa made some changes to the original material but I think it was for the best because improved some areas. Maybe that's why Tezuka hated it and made his own movie, Hi no Tori 2772
>>184538775>IdeonWhich you only watched because you literally worship Anno, idiot.
>>184540966Actually most people that watch Ideon are /m/fags and similars that hate Eva and want to get into the "Eva copied Ideon" bandwagon but few actually finish the actual show because it's fucking boring
>>184540316MW and Ayako are actually way more fucked up.Rape drug murder incest torture chemical weapon you name it.
>>184541039The only reason peanuts have heard of Ideon is because Anno cited it as an influence on EoE, and you worship the guy like the messiah. If you were an "/m/fag" that knew shit, you would know of all the other downers like Space Warrior Baldios and Aura Battler Dunbine, and wouldn't be citing Ideon of all things in the OP.
>>184541082B-but Tezuka looks so comfy and family-friendly
>>184541082Ayako was really something. One of the things that I admire of Tezuka is how profetic his mangas were. Ayako is a deconstruction of moe way before the kawaii subculture in the 80s or the moe explosion with the late nigh slot in the late 90s, early 2000s. Arguably Tezuka created moe with Lost World so I guess he could see where this was going
>>184539587Based tezuka. If he were alive in Europe today, he would’ve sent to jail or some kind of brain washed facility.
one of the nicest incarnations of the entire astroboy extended world was the GBA gameit was silly but happy
Can't believe she's fucking dead
>>184540899>topo fucking gigioPlease be joking
>>184541106this.Plenty of series had an impact on Eva, Daitarn 3 for instance, but since Annofags live and die by his words, they ignore other series.
>>184541039I thought people only watched Ideon because of SRW. Or is this no longer hip n' happenin'?
>>184539587Tezuka was a fucking genius. Before I read the first series I always assumed he was one of these boring and naive pioneers so many media types have, but then I read Adolf and basically everything else later. It's actually the other way around, Tezuka had way more balls than modern authors with their inconsequential wishy-washy story-telling that is too focused on pleasing whiny crowds that want some fluffy feel-good fairy tale to be radical and actually tell a story.
>>184545145What's a good place to start for someone looking to get into Tezuka's works?
>>184545520Blackjack is pretty good.I haven't read the astro boy manga but I liked what little i did see of the anime. so i think those could be good places to start
>>184545520Seconding Black Jack. Simple and easy to read stories, but they showcase Tezuka's knack for storytelling and his usual themes due to the variety and quantity of stories.I would say that you might want to leave the heavy stuff and epics like Phoenix, Adolf, Buddha, MW, Ayako for a little later after you've read some of the shorter and lighter ones. I think that makes you appreciate the whole variety of his works more.
>>184545520Astro Boy is the best possible gateway into his works, because you can find virtually every aspect of Tezuka's writing in it. From lighthearted slapstick comedy, to social commentary/politics, to tragedy, to even crippling nihilism in certain stories, it gives you a good idea of his works as a whole. After that it really boils down to what you're personally into.
>>184539756Hi No Tori in JapanesePhoenix in EnglishThe meaning is the same, it's just semantics. >>184539587Future is my favorite book. Karma is probably better in quality, but the sheer scale of Future is astounding.
>>184545520As the other anon said, Astro Boy and Black Jack are great starting points. Though personally I'd say Astro Boy edges out Black Jack because each Astro Boy story starts off with a little Tezuka commentary that explains the backstory of the issue. It's really endearing and it's a shame most of his other books don't have that.
>>184540316>To be fair, the general audience prefer his children stories rather than his bleak sideTezuka himself preferred his lighthearted works as well. He hated having to go into genres like Gekiga, even going so far as to call it "anti-manga".
>>184550502>The thumbnail scene
>>184550763The real question is why they hired the director from The Burmese Harp, Fires in the Plain, An actor Revenge among others.
>>184538775Is this fully scalated somewhere?
>>184550018Really? It's curious that he dismissed some of his best works but I remember Tolstoi declared Anna Karenina was a mistake during his last years because he became a mystic Christian
>>184545520Do you care about lolicon stuff? Tezuka is a big lolicon, you can see it on his works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5Eh1FGBGE
>>184552119Hideo Azuma, the father of lolicon, claimed that Tezuka was a huge influnce for him, especially for Pinoko
>>184552624Not saying that it's false but do you have a source? Google doesn't give any relevant results.
>>184543216I legit panicked when I reached that Black Jack chapter. The phoenix entity is a colossal asshole (just look at Saruta) so I feared for the good doctor. Man I hate the phoenix so much.
>>184552624I do believe it, a lot of artists say they were influenced by Tezuka that way. You can see in a lot of 70~80s works a some lolicon influence, even in stuff like Hokuto no ken.
>>184545520Im 9 volumes in blackjack and its making me want to read his other stuff over my backlog so there's that. My only gripe is the constant and abrupt end to the stories due to page limitation. Otherwise its great.
>>184554086The phoenix is a fucking cunt.
>>184541106Ever considered that maybe there are some Tominofags out there?
>>184554086>>184555832Never read mythology? Gods are cunts. Even the Christian God has questionable decisions rubbed as mysterious designs. Read the bible
How much energy does this generate from him rolling?
>>184555938to be fair .. if you read the bible. looking what happen without thinking god is good just because he said so. the devil is a pretty nice guy.
>>184545520Dororo.It's where I started.Also play Astro Boy: The Omega Factor on GBA since it's a huge Tezuka love fest and you'll get introduced to all the major characters.
>>184552119>implying Tezuka was a loliconTezuka was into to a lot of things. Ever seen his sexy mouse drawings?
>>184556696Tezuka was a perv in general. If it wasn't for feuding with Ishinomori for his own pettyness and attention whoring, Tezuka and Nagai could be bros.
>>184538775>>184539731>>184539021>>184540899>>184543216Does this bird appear in multiple works of his?
>>184556816>Tezuka and NagaiThe Slum King's backstory from Violence Jack was clearly inspired by Ayako.
>>184556153That's why God is often the big bad in Japan. Nips don't have the Christian burdern and can read the bible as just another mythological text.
>rape>child murdering>goreAt least there was cute parts
>>184556696That's to be expected, the earlier mangas were heavily inspired by Disney. The project of introducing comics for Japanese that USA made used Disney as main reference too. Not only Tezuka, but a lot of the first mangakas had a love for Furry characters.
>>184557994>>184556816This is good thing.
>>184543216Based Black Jack.
>>184557994Less creepy than the usual furry shit. Some of those designs are pretty damn overt about being an erotic thing. Somehow that makes it more okay.If he lived today and were a furry he would probably be appalled by the furry communities.
>>184558214Tezuka didn't like where the industry was going in the 80s. I'm sure he wouldn't be into insular communities in general. A perv can still be self-aware and condemn people degrading his art, see Miyazaki.
>>184558214Same way how Kemono looks more aesthetic compared to typical western furry.
>>184558285>Mamoru OshiiBut this guy is scumbag. And is this really correct translation or just meme?
>>184558302Pic related looks significantly more human than the typical western furry "designs", if you can call them that.Problem with furries and their art might probably be that specific kind of actual suits are a part of it. You don't just dress half the way, as it would be with that design. You don an entire full-body suit. This causes art and designs to always go the route which facilitates that kind of suits.I've heard that if you don't make your suit yourself, there are only a couple of companies that make fursuits. A lot of them end up looking the same because of that, and people probably just ape others when creating their own characters.
>>184539587Got a link/zip to Future? Hard to believe that such a series has been DMCA'd everywhere.
>>184558411>is it reasonable to assume the guy who dedicated his life to drawing cute little girls doing cute and magical things likes cute little girlsI think its reasonable to assume the vast majority of well known mangaka are lolicons/shotacons. And its not for no reason mind you, children sell things really well. Its not like its just a japanese thing. I buy salt thats mascot is a little girl for fuck sake.
>>184558302All furry art is essentially copying the Disney era of the early 90's, particularly the Lion King. Its probably one of the most derivative and incestuous art subgenres out there.
>>184559204Im not convinced Disney invented the concept of anthropomorphism in animals. And its saying a bit much to say all such concepts in art are derivative of that studio's designs.
>>184558896It's just better to doubt everything you see on meme pics. Especially translation from Japanese. I seen multiple times how Japanese Overlord called out translations. Sometimes people specially changing meanings, ignoring context to fit their agendas. And I don't like how non-artists/normalfags think "that art is what artist is". Or take all Miyazaki words seriously. This faggot can joking for sure. Just watch interviews and movie about him. He sometimes specially confuse interviewers in deadpan manner.
>>184559324>Im not convinced Disney invented the concept of anthropomorphism in animalsPretty safe to say they didn't, but that's not the point.Have you seen what western furry art looks like? It's all the same. Every artist looks almost the same. There are no discernible individual styles. Furries associate their fandom and community with those specific looking designs.Additionally, if you compare them to what e.g. Disney's Lion King or Robin Hood look like, you can draw a very clear comparison and "inspiration". Furries just anthropomorphised them further and have derived their art from there for years.
>>184559416I don't argue he is a joker, but his work does speak for itself. And I don't think he was joking when he talked about his first love. The fact he modeled so many of his characters off of that one is telling. But sure, its not set in stone, just decently implied.
>>184559610I disagree, I have seen several easily discernible styles in such art. I do not disagree that almost all of it is inspired from Disney's concepts but that does not mean it is derivative. It also does not help the vast majority of such art is pornographic and so style is often sacrificed over substance.
Anyone know where to read Astro Boy and Princess Knight? I don't feel like buying the physical copies.
>>184538775The Way of Ryu is better.
I want to start a consensual relationship with it.
>>184558896>salt thats mascot is a little girlMorton?
>>184559702A quick search tells me both manga are available on several sites. Do you not have a search engine?
>>184559919The one and only.
>Osamu TezukaMore like a...FURRY
>>184559899You're already dead, Tezuka
>>184559938>on several sites.Seriously? Completed? I've been searching everywhere, and I can't even find torrents on nyaa. Don't mention AB since I don't have an account.
>>184559630It's kind of a "so what" situation regardless. He made some good movies, and I would say that the choice of featuring young women/girls as his protagonists always works, and isn't done just because.Take Kiki, for instance. Fair enough, maybe he chose to direct it because it has a cute girl in it, but he made a really good film about growing up and that's it.
>>184560375Oh I don't mean to say it detracts, quite the opposite. I think it is because these artists love a childs form the way they do that they are so passionate in creating them. Miyazaki is an amazing artist, that cannot be denied. Even before he was selling out to make hackneyed kids cartoons he created one of the most influential and groundbreaking manga of its time. The man is a master of design and world creation no doubt. The fact he is a lolicon helps that, and so is a positive in my mind. He's pretty famous for saying he wished he had made Naussica's breasts smaller, I think that sums up his interest in design pretty well. He loves girls, he's said as much. And its his stated reason for always involving them as primary or secondary protags. Theres nothing wrong with that really.
>>184538775What the hell! Does stories about hell on Earth would teach anything?
>>184562433Americans haven't fought a war in their homeland since the Civil War. When they say war is hell, they really mean it and Tezuka was a witness
>>184551529He makes it fairly obvious in most of his documentaries that he went into his dark phase kicking and screaming. It was also his least successful Era as well, he was on the verge of retiring altogether if it wasn't for Black Jack pulling him out of his slump.
I only read the first two arcs when I worked at a comics shop and was enamored with it, I should really pick it up again some day.
>>184559702Astro Boy is the easiest Tezuka work to find, it's on virtually any manga site:https://archive.org/stream/manga_AstroBoy-v01Princess Knight on the other hand is admittedly much harder to find, so I'll just give you the links to scans /co/ used a while back:https://mega.nz/#!yI5hAaaT!5zxevnBQyzNJ2kzRWKg_l1cZVa-4HZWPD7BO90SyWq0https://mega.nz/#!vc4X2AzL!7LNs2bme93YP87fHWeuLKDCf-Mcq4yd5TDOhcmZ8CUgAnd here's some scans for the sequel series for good measure:https://mega.nz/#!bQ4hlIpY!78G0xJLVrf6fiN6mM3VsLqErAUQa9m5hq7Fl2SlcNyw
>>184555891and yet, I only ever hear you drones bringing up Ideon, and not Dunbine or Zambot III. Again, this is because you worship Hideaki Anno.
>>184539450What's left of humanity, the last immortal man, became God
>>184556074Sapphire is the absolute fucking worst
>>184556074Is this related?Also I spot the Tsunako design, the short haired girl on the left
>>184564936Dunbine is shit.It's probably Tomino's most nihilistic show.I still loved it, but man what a mess of an ending.Zambot III is an absolute gem.
>>184555938The cristian God is good, the jewish god is bad.
>>184565370It's this weird crossover thing with Compile Heart turning Tezuka characters into cute girls for some reason.
>>184555938>>184556153>>184565478It's more like Old Testament God was working out the kinks, New Testament is him calming down after figuring things out.
>>184559899Don't lewd the bird.
>>184564936So what, influential work is more likely to be watched than more cryptic shit. I pretty much watched Ideon because of the bazooka gif and because i loved gundam.
>>184564976The frightsome demon. No other manga character give me the chills like this thing that calls itself god and cosmos. Fucking phoenix deserved it every time it was killed.
>>184566453Don't be mean to my wife.
>>184541228I don't get Ayako. She's the object of people's sexual desire and she just so happen to be among a cast where most people are assholes, and everyone's corruptible. What did Tezuka meant by it?
>>184564976>>184566453Wait, what happens? The last humans become God? What then?
>>184557415>>184565572I remember first reading the bible in sunday class and thinking what god's problem was, and why everybody put up with him.
>>184539731I watched 2772 multiple times as a kid along with Voltes V. I remember it being great
>>184566908The world begins again. One more cycle.Presumably it ends the same. Over and over and over.Because people can't stop being dicks to each other.
>>184559204Most of it can be traced to Don Bluth's style from before he left disney. He worked on feature length animations like Robin Hood and The Rescuers, which are much more influential to furries than the lion king. Without those movies i think westerm anthropomorphism would lean much closer to designs like bugs bunny or donald duck than what we know now as western furries.
>>184567477To be fair he did get a raw deal.I mean, he did try to kill a baby.But he didn't succeed!
Post Yoshinari's tribute to Tezuka. TEzuka can draw very cute girls. Especially in the last Phoenix volume with early works.
Jetter Mars > Astro BoyAt least the old one, i was busy when the 2000s Astroboy came out.
>>184567688>Without those movies i think westerm anthropomorphism would lean much closer to designs like bugs bunny or donald duck than what we know now as western furries.Honestly I don't know how to feel about this. I guess it would certainly be much more palatable than the godawful furry styles we have now, but having more cartoonish styles sexualized just feels a bit weird. Maybe it would've ended up like how anime did and eventually evolved into it's own thing entirely?
>>184567169People put up with him because he's God, that's it. At least in other religions you can count with other gods but Christian god is an absolute tyrant. Like Borges said, God is the most frightening fictional character. Catholics tried to compensate it with the cult to Virgin Mary and the saints, which are pagan gods with Christian make-up.
>>184566882It's really about criticizing the reconstruction of Japan and how Japan can't move on from its feudal culture. Ayako is a victim of this culture but like Japan is obsessed with purity for the Shinto religion, she's pure as an animal and therefore insanely attractive for men. Also count as a decontruction of moe
>>184567395What did the shit want? >"Why do you want to be immortal? Fuck off and die!">Everone dies>"WAIT!!! You have been chosen by ME To continue life. You SHALL LIVE!">Lives as a fucking ghost without agency on the world>"You are now part of the Cosmos within me!">Life rinses and repeats>"Gee, maybe this time they'll not kill themselves"
>>184566193>influential workExcept Ideon wasn't influential at all. Only Anno cited it as an influence on EoE, and you happen to worship him.
>>184567515What does it say?
>>184568920She is like Dr. Manhattan from Watchman.You can't really expect her to relate to humanity anymore after witnessing the death and rebirth of the humanity cycle for like the 10000000 times.
me quiero follar al phoenix
>>184558896artists are some truly degenerate motherfuckers. From the renaissance to the modern era, they do nothing but push boundaries.Personally i think it's morally wrong to hold people back from doing what they love, but not if it's to the demerit of the society. It is the sign of a strong society to suppress the lowest human urges.
>>184556074Melmo a cute
>>184568920She just wants the cycle to end, to have humans finally figure out a way to live with each other in peace rather than constantly fighting for increasingly inane reasons. Funny enough, rumor has it that Teuka was actually planning to tie it in to the Astro Boy canon, with Astro being the key to breaking the cycle once and for all at the very end.
>>184569803Why not just fly to outer space for a better life?
>>184568964The pleasure of being cummed inside
>>184570111Outer space is a cell within another phoenix watching another humans killing each other.
>>184570300Being Phoenix is suffering, wish she find peace in the end. Also why the heck, being reborn as human was denied for some persons?
>>184570412Karma circle, sin and shit like that/ Common concept
>>184570111The Phoenix rules the outter space too. As a matter of fact, more than third of Phoenix takes place in outter space
>>184538775didn't tezuka's daughter reveal in an interview that she recently found his secret porn drawing stash and it was all furshit?
>>184570551Sticked to humans to the end huh. Look like Lucifer.
>a legitimate Tezuka threadIs this an effect of the new Dororo anime?
>>184545145It’s average shit that every writer was doing, he just happened to do it in manga form.Go Nagai on the inter hand is the real hero of the modern anime industry bring forth ecchi, mecha, gar and gore despite nationwide protests and hate.
>>184570877Most likely. Not that I'm complaining though, it's good to see this board finally getting into Tezuka again. Before the only place willing to talk about it was /co/, ironically enough.
>>184570962Well I don't disagree, I just say that it isn't common anymore, sadly. And yes, I fucking love Go Nagai. I wish we'd get more anime adaptions/reboots of his work.
>>184571102/a/ has become terribly casual since 2016 or something. I am not talking about the newfags we always got, something fundamentally changed once we got all these phoneusers. Not that every phoneuser is also a casual, but casuals are way more likely to use 4chan and the internet as a whole when they have phones. I think this thread works because most people don't even know Tezuka anymore, let alone that they read or watched any of his works.
>>184571242Fuck are you talking about. We just had two adaptions of his work last year.
>>184571353Yes, and? At least Crybaby was a decent adaption so it wouldn't be bad seeing something else like this in 2020 or whatever.
>>184571387Point is he gets enough love. Not sure why you'd want another Devilman in as early as 2020.
I don't know why but I actually find the more human Tezuka furries hot and I usually HATE furry.
Is this on Madokami?
>>184555938Yeah the Phoenix can be a real cunt like the time she made a guy immortal in the future until he practically became Old Testament god because he couldn’t fucking die
>>184556696>Tried to make an anti animal testing film>Sexy cat women is a product of animal testing >Really mixing the messages> ending was still shit though
>>1845713533 actually, the mazinger movie.Maybe violence jack will get one next.
>>184571326That "something" is that moot forced fucking nurutu on /a/ so we got a huge ass wave of fifthy crossboarders and casual retards
>>184571484It helps that they tend to be much more cartoonish so they don't hit that uncanney valley that puts most people off of furry shit.
>>184572968The Mazinger movie was released in 2017 so he's technically correct.
>>184539888>I read some time ago that Darling in the Franxx was more influenced by Phoenix 2772 than EvaWhere did you read that? I made a thread here about it almost as a joke. But there are many superficial similarities between the setting in both 2772 and darling in the franxx
>>184565370The girl in yellow is supposed to be phoenix. The others are Tezuka characters too. The one with gloves and big boots is Astroboy, while the one with big claws is Kimba/Leo.Kind of related. The Kemono Friends tie-in design for Phoenix which goes closer to Tezuka's style.
>>184574322Top row, left to right:Sapphire, the Princess KnightThe irredeemable cursed bastard Rock HolmesCutey UnicoJungle Emperor Leo aka KimbaBottom rowThe most powerful good boy Atom/AstroLife itself, PhoenixThe greedy miracle surgeon Black Jack himself
>>184574926Are those the actual titles they're giving them?
>>184556074>>184574926>The only thing that is somewhat relateable is color scheme and even that is pretty stretchy for some of themNo wonder i cant recognize a single one
>>184575062No, I just wanted to add some flair.>>184575199As I said before, Sapphire is a crime. I only confirmed it was supposed to be her because of the male and female signs. How do you get BOYGIRL so wrong
>>184570962Go Nagai is a hack and you know it. He has made nothing but garbage his whole career.
>>184575750I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Melmo, not Sapphire. Her canon thing has the pills that allows her to change her age. Why she has the boy/girl symbols on her design I have no clue though.
>>184576180I also thought she was Melmo until I noticed the boy/girl things.
>>184573785I think Dragon Ball coming back and Trigger in general did way more damage to the board. KLK and DitF especially brought in tons of crossboarders and newfags that only want to shitpost.
>>184577129Figured, bit nice to see confirmed.
>>184556074>>184574322So is the pink haired one Unico?
>>184579661Seems like it, the horn gives it away.
>>184557994Fucking Bagi, man.
>The Phoenix decided to have Saruta as a cosmic chew toy over a murder (not that terrible of a crime compared to what a lot of people did during the series) >People who make Saruta suffer like >>184569345 or the crossdressing prince and therefore make his karma less heavy for his next reincarnation get insane punishments, shit worse than death Did I tell you how much I hate the Phoenix?
>>184580263Isnt the Phoenix just pretty much a wheel in the system? It posses immeasurable knowledge but in essence it is because it lives a long ass time, kinda like that Old fag who became a literal testament god
>>184580436Huh, there's some more designs revealed as well, but I honestly have no clue what they're supposed to be.
This one might be Rainbow Parakeet, they just took the name much more literal.
>>184556074>>184581274>>184581237>>184581290>>184581307I HATE IT
>>184580263>>184581179Don't forget about space arc,where she turn an entire planet of people into living plant because>lol karma
>>184581484HE HATES IT!
>>184572893Depends, anon. Are big kitty titties worth animal testing?
>>184538775>humanity is destroyed>slug civilization is born>slugs are destroyed>humans try againBeing the Phoenix must suck, no civilization is ever going to succeed in not destroying itself.
>>184539756>being so ignorant you don't know what a phoenix isAmericans...
>>184541163Hey remember when Hige Oyaji had needles shoved under his fingernails and a dog bit off his dick?
>>184581237That's Uran (Sarah or Zoran in the dubs), Atom/Astro's sister, who somehow has the worst design of the bunch, not even retaining her color scheme.>>184581274That's Coco/Pauly Cracker from Leo/Kimba.
>>184581290Professor Ochanomizu from Astroboy/Atom.>>184581307Tommy from Leo/Kimba. How did they mess up such an obvious design? Kemono Friends versions of the Kimba trio for comparison.
Osamu Tezuka drew 10 pages a day on average EVERY DAY from 1947 to 1989. He abandoned a stable career as a doctor to draw comics, something that before he took it up was neither financially viable or respected.What's your excuse for not drawing?
>>184568870I guess only someone who's experienced postwar Japan can fully appreciate it then. I read that and walked away feeling down because no recurring protagonist in the story was above corruption
>>184584133Being a successful mangaka in Japanese is more profitable than being a doctor
>>184584713But it wasn't in 1947 when Tezuka started. It was because of his efforts that it became that way.
>>184583729Shit, seriously? That looks nothing like Uran, what the hell. Even fucking Edge of Time managed to make a better redesign, it at least has SOME semblance of the original character.
>>184585541I'd guess they wanted to make her look different from Atom, since Atom is already a girl here, thus the pink hair... but it's a dumb idea, and it's not like sister characters who look similar to each other aren't a thing.
>>184581237Will they have their own version of Hyakkimaru and Dororo?I thought they would've at least tease it to ride on the popularity of the current anime.
>>184585923They might not have gotten the rights for Dororo exactly because it has an active series. Although it could be they're just keeping it to get a boost post-launch.
>>184565515Plot is about a world where "god" gives power to artists to give life to their creations to fight against the "Tsumekiri (Deadline)" - although it's not clear what that is at this point. But for whatever reason this ability manifests into materializing the characters as cute girls in the real world.
>>184583359MW is wild
>>184574046I'd stick a dick in her, if you know what I mean *wink*.
>>184586552>>184586632Hey remember when Kirihito had sex with a dog and then later was raped by a woman with a fetish for freaks?
>>184587128That was in my school library, I had known Tezuka did adult stuff before, but that was probably a little too much at once.
>>184587410Ode to Kirihito, early 1970's.
>>184587486>>184587410In the same manga they also fed a living baby to a snake, but it's okay they bought the baby from Pakistan.
>>184587494What Monster was heavily based on, too.Poor, poor Reika.
>>184587608Monster of course being inspired by MW and not Ode to Kirihito.
>>184581290Eh, I can see what they're trying to do here, but she should've been more of a milf at least to reflect Ochanimizu being an older dude.
>>184587684>Don't worryGoddammit this shouldn't be funny it's horrible.
>>184587670A little of column A, a little of column B.A doctor on a hellish trip to prove his innocence is Ode's deal.
>>184587724You know people are saying how the Phoenix was an asshole to Saruta but the MC from Apollo's Song got it pretty bad too.>hates love because of childhood trauma>has the trauma fixed and learns to love>nope you still got to suffer for the rest of eternity XDFuck gods.
This is the ideal robot form. You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>184587761It's a metaphor for life requiring death to continue, it follows the Apollo and Daphne theme of eternal chasing / eternal parting coupled with the death race of sperm to the egg in fertilization.It's real good.But yeah, it pisses you off that he gets to realize the error of his ways and yet he's still doomed.
>>184587851Ooh, I never read Barbara.
>>184587876It's real good. Another gekiga style story where everything is just heading into disaster and you're just along for the ride.The first few chapters really work well in not knowing what's real or not. As the story goes things get a bit more fantastic but it still tries to make you doubt the main character's perspective.
>>184587918I'mma buy that. Need more Tezuka books on my shelf.
>>184568246Jetter Mars is just Astro with Uran's personality though.
Is there an English version of Phoenix that hasn't been rearranged left to right?
>>184589159Not that I've seen. I wonder why that's even like that.
>>184589111Eli "Not a furry" of gripes.
>>184588752Harsh!>>184589811It used to be that everything was flipped because retards couldn't figure out how to read from right to left.
>>184587851>>184587761I got everything but.. Was Athena the girl all a long?Is it because Athena is a virgin Goddess? Is Saint Seiya an Apollo's Song timeloop?
>>184592018Dude don't go all deep on me.
>>184584133To be fair, his work ethic was considered absurd even by Japanese standards. He's called the god of Manga for a reason anon.
>>184592018>>184592243If we go full conspiracy nuts, Kurumada claimed Tezuka was one of his main inspirations in his mangaka career.
>>184592018The virgin goddess is Artemis, the huntress.I doubt there's any sort of Saint Seiya link.
>>184593569Which is laughable when he claims he also used a Star System, since most notably Seiya is the hero in most of his works.And totally not as an excuse for his inability to draw.
>>184594879Athena is a virgin goddess too, you fucking murrican
>>184595150She's not the one with the man-hating virgin cult that kills their own if they have sex, even if they were raped.It's not her main attribute. Wisdom, Crafts, War Strategy. Those are her things.