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This has to be the worst thing I've ever watched in my life. The animation is extremely lazy and the main thing that was shilled to me (the plot) is utter garbage. The characters and the premise as a whole are extreme generic and predictable, you can see the whole arc from the first moment you lay your eyes in one of the girls. You have to be literally retarded to think this forced melodrama is good or well written in any shape or form, at least from now watching it I can safely ignore any opinion on any matter from people who enjoyed it

This reads like bait, but I wish it was
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It’s not for everyone
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>Watching Madoka for the first time in 2011+8
>Thinking you have an opinion on anime
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>>183221928
This is true but not for the good reasons, it appeals to shut ins but those who are dumb
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>>183222045
based retard logic, guess you can't comment on anything in life since there are people older than you
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>>183221885
>This reads like bait, but I wish it was

Wish granted. Now you're a mahou shoujo.
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Nah, it was pretty great. That's ok if you don't like it though.
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>weak ass bate threads
>op being a faggot again
>etc.
>pp.
are you even trying?
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>>183221885
Watch Infinite Stratos, it was the better anime that season.
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>>183221885
>This has to be the worst thing I've ever watched in my life.
Watch more than 3 anime then.
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>>183221885
>This reads like bait, but I wish it was
thats cause it is faggot
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>>183223723
You mean Fractale.
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MamixHitler best ship
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>>183225847
how will we ever recover?
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>>183221885
>>183222055
>>183222128
I guess you haven't even watched Rebellion.
The original series is only as said in the beginning:
"Prologue in Heaven",
Rebellion is where the true story takes place, it's what truly makes it great.
The original series is only setting the scene for it.
Now the actors are assembled,
The premises are established,
And the final act is about to begin.
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>>183226391
Why? It's all canon after all.
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>>183222128
Savage.
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>>183226170
God I wish that were me.
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>>183221885
pasta
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>>183226544
I also sometimes wish I was Hitler, but Mami has little to do with it.
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Somebody explain Rebellion to me please
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>>183223723
You mean infinite shit ?
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>>183221885
Hahaha no way phagget
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>>183226532
Samefagging faggot
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>>183221885
another pleb get filtred
thx based madoka
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>>183229681
I just told the truth.
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>>183230631
You asked me. If you don't believe whatever I say, then why ask?
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>>183230919
Well, I know that if you call out someone for not answering your questions, then its not rhetorical questions.
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>>183231522
but they are so cute!
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Who's the best girl for Homura and why is it not Natsuki?
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>>183235219
no, it's Sayaka. Magi Record trash is not canon, stop posting crack.
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I just watched Rebellion last night. This can't be the end right? There has to be more, right!?
It's not that I didn't enjoy it it's just that it feels unfinished.
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>>183235631
Open endings are still endings.
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>>183235208
Isn't Vivio still a thing and does Flip Flappers not count?
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>>183235631
Yeah. There's a world where Homu gets used by 5 girls.
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Save this thread.
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http://game-i.daa.jp/?2018年アプリ収益予測
Madoka is supreme.
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>>183221885
i tried to rewatch it over summer
couldn't get past ep 3 the animation was so shit
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>>183235850
If everything similar counts as Magical Girl then Sailor Moon, Precure count. However they are all happy-beating-monster show, not to mention that Sakura and Twin Angel just finished not very long ago. These shows will make his list very embarrassing anon.
Madoka was a good show, but trying to sell its originality and influence just shows his insecurity and is totally an insult to itself. Especially the mascot, its core and darkest setting, was just a ripoff of Bokurano; numerous "painful time loop" shows had already been made at that time.
Again it's a good show and I'm not intented to shit on it, but those charts always look very stupid.
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>>183240747
literally, none of those things are what makes Madoka good.
It only shows that you are a tv-tropes-tier retard who does not understand rebellion.
Congrats, you have been pleb filtered, good riddance
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>>183240747
>Madoka was not original or influential
>makes sweeping superficial comparisons
>I'm not intented to shit on it
???
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>>183221885
It's still a fun watch. These are cartoons for children we are talking about.
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>>183242571
>for children
>aired at 1:30 in the morning
Though interestingly enough, Rebellion was rated G in Japan, which is the lowest rating for movies. There's not very much objectionable content in either the show or movie when you think about it. A little bit of blood.
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>>183235208
>cherrypicking
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>>183242737
Well, children won't understand what makes any of them disturbing anyway, so it's fine I guess.
They are far too abstract(and I am not talking about the art) for most of /a/, so what chance do 12 year-olds have?
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>>183221885
I started my rewatch last night. I'm on episode 9 right now. I love this show.
I didn't read your OP btw, I just wanted to share my story.
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>>183242149
>>183242456
Maybe you guys are too nervous. I was just talking about the dumb pic above. What I meant was that there are many happy henshin girls every year.
It IS original and very good, but still had a bunch of ripoff from other popular shows and there's nothing wrong about it. Can you accept this?
Again I was only talking about the picture above. It has originality and influence, but the pic related is pretty meh.
Keep enjoying your show and I don't like to get reply from you anymore.
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>>183221885
>(the plot) is utter garbage.
I'm willing to have an actual discussion about this, if you provide any argument for why it is bad.
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>>183242737
Time slots don't matter. All cartoons are for children.
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>>183221885
>The animation is extremely lazy
>The characters and the premise as a whole are extreme generic and predictable
You aren't even saying anything here. You're just randomly dropping nonsensical NPC cliches. You have no opinion on this anime.
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>>183242571
>>183243282
This isn't a cartoon, or for children, and timeslots do matter. Children aren't up in the middle of the night.
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>>183221885
I agree, it's overrated tragedy porn but the animation and general production quality was great.
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>>183221885
I don't remember the plot being it's highest praise. It's usually the visuals and God-teir OST.
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>>183243496
>>183243678
Levels of understanding Madoka:

0. It's a dark and edgy deconstruction
"I have been on tv-tropes too much"

1. It's a reconstruction
"I don't get why Homura ruined everything!?!"

2. It's a tragedy
"Poor, poor Homura, she did everything right."

3. It's an exploration
"It's so beautiful and so rich on facets that I can't even put into words what it really is in the end. How were humans able to create something like this?"

What you are saying is so ignorant, do you really think you have figured everything out only because you can name a few influences that a show has had? You don't even see the whole net of meta-inheritance that surrounds it. If Madoka was trying to "rip off" something, why do you think they intentionally put in references to it?
fiction and cinema are very similar to scientific literature in a way because every time you put in something from another show, it is like quoting it.
Do you know what a "metaphor" really is? A metaphor has the word meta in it. It is a meta reference, a quote. You are basically saying: "Look at this work, and everything they expressed about this particular thing there, I want my work to acknowledge the existence of that other work and add my own thoughts to that particular subject". And that is what Madoka does, Madoka basically references everything that came before it, you can hardly find anything that was not referenced in it, some very subtly.
At its very core, it is a commentary on the entire meta of fiction and popular culture. That's why it was so influential, it took up a lot of different ideas and concepts flying around, synthezised them and explored their relationships to themselves and each other.
It is simply put pure art.
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>>183244192
Good template. I'd like to use it for boku no pico next time.
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>>183244587
pearls before swine...
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>>183244192
I wish Homura would grab me like that.
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>>183245688
I wish, too.
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>>183235208
yuuki yuuna is unironically better
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>Homura will never pin you down and have her way with you by force
Why live
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>>183221885
t. Pissed Evangelion fanboy
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>>183246575
Evangelion and Madoka don't even have anything to do with each other.
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>>183246575
False flagging madocuck

>>183246638
Madoka fanboys beg to differ. They see it as an “EVA killer”
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>>183246638
Is there ever going to be a day when you watch Madoka instead of being sour just because a ton of people in the anime industry came out and said it had surpassed your dumb show?
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>>183246680
I guess people in the Industry are Madoka fags. If you’re not an Eva fanboy you have no trouble admitting that Madoka in comparison makes Eva look like donkey ass right?
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>>183246686
You really should seek some psychiatric treatment.
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>>183235208
But post 2010s also has LWA which is a Tweeny Witches ripoff and not tragedy porn.
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>>183246773
You should seek to actually watch Madoka instead being being salty and talking bad about a series you’ve never even bothered to watch.
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>>183246839
instead of*
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>>183246839
I have watched Madoka. I have it on BD. I have the movies on BD. I have Madoka figures. I in fact never said anything that could suggest that I haven't seen Madoka. This is why you need electroshock treatment.
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>>183246914
You’re not a Madoka fan.
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>>183246575
Why is it only Madokafags that bring up Eva and its fanbase in their threads and never the other way around?
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>>183246638
Evangelion is the story of one man and his depression,
Madoka is an exploration.

>>183246680
>>183246686
>>183246773
>>183246992
I actually agree with him, lol.
Madoka and Eva have nothing in common.
They are entirely different at the core, what Madoka tried to do - and succeeded against all odds, is just so much higher an ambition then Eva, that there can't even be a comparison.
It's literally like comparing a sand castle to the Sistine Chapel
Calling it an Eva-killer is retarded. I mean, do you call a truck an ant killer, only because it flattened a few ants who were crossing the road?
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>>183246992
Nothing I said suggested that I'm not. This is why you're crazy.
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>>183247062
Evangelion transformed the entire anime industry.
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Anyone posted Eva before? Pretty pathetic boring title battle shitposting.
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>>183247055
Because you’re mad and you guys always make threads like this. Nobody cares about your opinion on this series when it’s clear you haven’t watched it.
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>>183244192
shut up, no one cares.
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>>183247111
t. Pissed Evangelion fanboy

I knew it.>>183247065
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>>183221885
Based
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>>183247253
I never said anywhere that I'm an Evangelion fanboy, or pissed. I never stated any opinion on Evangelion, or even indicated that I've seen it.
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>>183221885
>This reads like bait, but I wish it was
actually this reads like a copypasta
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Why do Evafags feel the need to make threads like this? It was actually a good show.
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>>183247062
What was Madoka's grand achievement? You act like it's the usurper of Goethe's Faust when it was just a proficient maho shojo adaption.
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>>183247225
But I like Madoka more than Eva, I'm just wondering why Evafags live in your head rent free.
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>>183247323
Anon, close the tab for a minute and download Madoka Magica. It’s literally only twelve episodes. When you watch it then your opinion will be worth something.
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>>183247402
Stop samefagging. We all know who you are.

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>>183244192
Levels of understanding Eva:

0. It's a dark and edgy deconstruction
"I have been on tv-tropes too much"

1. It's a reconstruction
"I don't get why Shinji ruined everything!?!"

2. It's a tragedy
"Poor, poor Shinji, she did everything right."

3. It's an exploration
"It's so beautiful and so rich on facets that I can't even put into words what it really is in the end. How were humans able to create something like this?"

What you are saying is so ignorant, do you really think you have figured everything out only because you can name a few influences that a show has had? You don't even see the whole net of meta-inheritance that surrounds it. If Eva was trying to "rip off" something, why do you think they intentionally put in references to it?
fiction and cinema are very similar to scientific literature in a way because every time you put in something from another show, it is like quoting it.
Do you know what a "metaphor" really is? A metaphor has the word meta in it. It is a meta reference, a quote. You are basically saying: "Look at this work, and everything they expressed about this particular thing there, I want my work to acknowledge the existence of that other work and add my own thoughts to that particular subject". And that is what Eva does, Eva basically references everything that came before it, you can hardly find anything that was not referenced in it, some very subtly.
At its very core, it is a commentary on the entire meta of fiction and popular culture. That's why it was so influential, it took up a lot of different ideas and concepts flying around, synthezised them and explored their relationships to themselves and each other.
It is simply put pure art.
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>>183247479
Yep, here we go. When’s the last time you watched an anime because I have a feeling it was around 1996.
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>>183244192
4. It’s shit and EVA is 100x better
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>>183247479
nice
do one for HxH now
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>>183247417
I have seen it. I even have it on BD. I already told you this.
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>>183247062
I actually agree with him, lol.
Madoka and Eva have nothing in common.
They are entirely different at the core, what Eva tried to do - and succeeded against all odds, is just so much higher an ambition then Madoka, that there can't even be a comparison.
It's literally like comparing a sand castle to the Sistine Chapel
Calling it an Madoka-killer is retarded. I mean, do you call a truck an ant killer, only because it flattened a few ants who were crossing the road?
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>>183247550
Of course it is to you because you’ve only watched Eva and you haven’t watched this series yet. There’s a reason why people who have watched both claim to like Madoka more. Watch reviews.
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>>183235560
Soon it's gonna become FGO type of canon so better get used to it. Sucks, but that's life. It's unfair in more ways than you can count.
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>>183247479
you activated him
you will regret this
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>>183247589
They’re both deconstructions though?
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>>183247646
Deconstruction doesn't even mean anything.
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>>183247646
Eva fags tend to think that Eva is the only deconstruction anime that exists and they get pissed when you claim otherwise.
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>>183247669
Obviously it means something sipshit or it wouldn’t be a word.
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>>183247599
Of course it is to you because you’ve only watched Madoka and you haven’t watched Eva yet. There’s a reason why people who have watched both claim to like Eva more. Watch reviews.
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>>183239593
It's actually doing a lot better than I expected.
Didn't expect a more niche FGO to rank in top 30, beating all but the best im@s apps.

Madokami fucking raped my wallet tho
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>>183247696
Lots of words don't mean anything.
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>>183221885
Look, you don't need to make a thread every time an anime is too deep for your atrophied brain. Go back to splashing in the puddles, and try the kiddie pool again when you feel ready.
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>>183247740
The absolute state of madocucks lmao.
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>>183247702
Most people from the Modern age have watched Evangelion though. It’s you older guys who refuse to watch newer anime because you idiots claim everything these days is shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if in any Eva thread more than 90% of the posters have refused to watch Madoka because of how it looks alone.
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>>183247679
But don't Madokafags claim Madoka isn't a deconstruction and if you think it is you missed the point?
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>>183247771
Pathetic samefag.
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>>183247773
Having a popular game that’s doing so well it gets an anime is considered bad? Really?
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>>183247791
t. Pissed Evangelion fanboy

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>>183247789
Most people from the Modern age have watched Madoka though. It’s you newer guys who refuse to watch older anime because you idiots claim everything those days were shit. I wouldn’t be surprised if in any Madoka thread more than 90% of the posters have refused to watch Eva because of how it looks alone.
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>>183247830
Paying for mobileshit slot machines.
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>>183247852
>people who are interested in anime refuse to watch more anime

>people who are old and don’t like anime as much anymore watch all modern anime

You’re getting desperate.
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>>183247866
Giant hot pink Evangelion
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>It is simply put pure art.
>too deep for your atrophied brain. Go back to splashing in the puddles, and try the kiddie pool again when you feel ready.
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You guys do realize the gotcha anime is going to be better than the rebuilds right?
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>>183247479
shinji is not a she.
I bet you can't even name a single work besides Devilman and some Mecha series that is referenced in Eva.
Eva is a personal story about one man and his depression.
If you use my Madoka text as a template for Eva, then it only shows that you didn't understand both Eva and the template. And we don't even need to start talking about Madoka.

>>183247589
Like I already said, Eva definitely has good qualities, but they are just not the same as with Madoka.
Thinking that it is the same just shows your deep ignorance towards both shows.
I honestly almost feel like I have to defend Eva at this point because you are just making it look bad.

If you want one point where Madoka is stomping Eva, then take this:
Eva has - by word of god - false symbolism. They are just using things because they "look cool".

While I do believe that Eva's metaphors - though in large part stylistic still carry a lot of meaning, Madoka has true symbolism.
It's that simple. And if you don't believe me, then just post anything from Madoka and I will explain how it is symbolic, why it is profound and what it represents.
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>>183247962
Is Urobuchi a fucking god?
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>>183247923
Considering the fact that most of /a/ doesn't watch any pre-2010s shows because they're "too old," he's kind of right.
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Dropped madoka after the first episode. Literally nothing happened, bland music, atrocious art
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>>183247986
> quality of anime is gauged by how much it rips off others
lmao the absolute state
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>>183248002
Nice propaganda but that’s only oldfags who come to /a/ to discuss shows from the “good old days” and refuse to watch anything new.

This is what happens when old fags ACTUALLY watch Madoka.
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/174452638/#174452638
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>>183248065
That’s kind of funny because Eva was factually inspired by Sailor Moon.
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>>183247986
>just post anything from Madoka and I will explain how it is symbolic, why it is profound and what it represents.
okay
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>>183221885
You sure need to watch way more anime if you think this is as bad as you think.
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>>183248133
animes*
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>>183248105
This is a parody of one of the Sailor Moon intro songs.
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>>183248074
No, I've seen way more people here that don't watch anything old unless it's shounenshit like DBZ or Bleach.
They're the types of people who would hate both Eva and Madoka.
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>>183248097
>Madoka basically references everything that came before it, you can hardly find anything that was not referenced in it, some very subtly
oops
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>>183248165
So why is it profound
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>>183248165
But why is it symbolic, profound and what does it represent?
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>>183248165
2/2
The intro shows how absurd some of the tropes in magical girl shows are by making it some of them a little more obvious and it gets more and more noticeable as they series progress just how ridiculous it all is.
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>>183248263
So false symbolism basically
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>>183248210
>>183248223
>>183248246

Holy shit! You Evafags really are pissed aren’t you? Can you wait two seconds before replying?
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>>183248292
Basically deconstructing the magical girl genre in the intro song and the lyrics go way further beyond that.
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>>183248074
Stop using that obvious case of samefag as 'proof' of your derangement.
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>>183247789
most think of Eva like they think of the Mona Lisa; it was probably the best thing to happen at its time, and is regarded a masterpiece, but it doesn't really stand out when compared to contemporary stuff.
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>>183248367
I actually agree. I feel it was good at the time it aired but to say it’s a better series than Madoka seems pretty silly to me and that’s coming from an Eva fan.
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What do Kyouko's nipples profoundly symbolize here?
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>>183248105
It's Madoka in underwear - or in other words, unclothed.
And below the surface, Madoka is wearing lingerie and leather bands with spikes.
So, what does this tell us now?
Madoka - the show - looks cute on the outside, but on the inside, it is mature and edgy.
Yet Madoka herself is embarrassed by the fact because she actually wants to be a Magical Girl (just like the show itself)
Also, at the same time, it's foreshadowing the true nature of Magical Girls, because once you look below the surface, they are actually liches.

>>183248165
>>183248223
>>183248246
>>183248263
Wait, wait, that wasn't me!
If you want to know something even cooler, then ask me about pic related :)
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>>183221885
You should've watched it as it was ongoing boomer. It was an event like no other. Not even GEASS could compete.
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>>183248367
>>183248404
Pathetic samefag.
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>>183248412
That’s not even from the series.
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>>183248263
>ironically make fun of x trope(s) about genre
Wow, profound, symbolic, deconstructive masterpiece.
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>>183248442
You’re implying he actually watched it.
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>>183248442
>it’s good because I was a dumb clueless child
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>>183248494
I wanted to write zoomer, but you know what I mean
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>Another Madoka thread is absolute shit

Lmao, Madocucks really are subhuman and worse than shonen spics.
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>>183248468
I mean it’s only a single damn picture and you got that much out of it? A single image from the entire show. You’re starting to get desperate Evafag.
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>>183248526
No you didn’t. How pitiful.
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>>183248527
Nobody cares about you guy. You don’t even have good taste in anime girls and hunterxhunter sucks donkey dick.
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>>183248438
This shit is more reaching than monogatari 'analysis'. It's just some goody shit they put in the OP.
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>>183248561
>HunterxHunter sucks donkey dick

That’s something I think we can all agree on.
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>>183248586
I wouldn’t be so hard on it. It’s a children’s anime made to entertain children from ages 9-13 and that’s factually a fact.
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>>183248561
You cared enough to reply, madocuck.
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>>183248578
>t. Pissed Evangelion fanboy

You’d be surprised to know it’s not reaching at all and this is only a tiny portion of the stuff you get hidden in the Madoka series.
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>>183248438
Eva fags on suicide watch. Are you not going to reply to this?

>>183248223
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>>183248468
>When you get baited by >>183248165
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>>183248644
You LITERALLY just replied. This is how I know you’re mad. Maybe you should give Madoka a chance anon and watch some big boy anime.
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>>183248578
Pretty much the same level of analysis as when a high school english teacher asks what some random shit symbolizes and you just make something up
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>>183248691
>No U

lmao, seething madokek
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>>183248710
Maybe you just don’t understand because you haven’t watched the series? Ever think about that?
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>>183248691
I gave it a chance. I dropped it after the first episode. I don’t give a shit how many queer maho shojo cartoons it references.
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>>183248750
No, anon. Actually you. You’ll end up watching this show one day when you get tired of not knowing what all the hype is about and you’re going to feel really dumb.
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>>183248578
>Eva has false symbolism so other shows must have it, too
>No, it can't be true
>No, NO!!!!!

>>183248710
You mean like when your high school English teacher asked you to analyze literally Goethe's Faust?
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>>183248778
>I dropped it
>my opinion means absolutely nothing
Thanks anon.
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>>183248778
You blew it you fucking idiot!
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The reason so many people try to hate on this series is because it’s legitimately probably the best anime in the world right now and that’s that.
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>>183247669
Yes it does, it means giving a trope unusually realistic consequences or explanations/origins.
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>>183248851
We already knew he didn’t watch it. If he did he’d be a Madoka fan like everybody else.
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>>183248783
>You need to watch madoka to understand these shit bait threads

kek, okay
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>>183248105
>>183248165
>>183248223
>>183248246
>>183248263
>>183248292
>>183248301
>>183248359
>>183248468
And this ladies and gentleman is the reason why Eva fags would never dare to bring up Madoka in one of their threads.
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>>183248938
Why should the original bring up the knockoff?
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>>183248911
>I haven’t watched Madoka and my opinion subsequently doesn’t matter on /a/
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>>183248893
spend less time on tvtropes
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>>183248578
What do you expect from Shaftfags?
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>>183248963
You mean Sailor Moon since Anno said it’s inspired by Sailor Moon? The music in Eva isn’t even original. It’s all stolen classical music,
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>>183248964
>call the thread and the fanbase shit
>y-you didn't watch it!

Loving every laugh.
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>based Anno admits that his show is only really about the human character and his fans understand this
>meanwhile Urobuchi autists unironically refer to their favorite anime as 'pure art', a masterpiece of human creation, and anyone who doesn't feel that way as being a blatant liar who didn't watch it or having an 'atrophied brain'
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>>183248412
Her lust for cock.
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>>183248904
Not really. I was an EVA fan from the first ep. If it “gets good 20 episodes in” it’s shit.
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>>183249053
Anno said his series is shit and he hates Eva fans? Urobuchi loves Madoka and loves Madoka fans. Anno even realizes without the girls Eva bombs. He said it himself.
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>>183249129
>He said it himself.
[CITATION NEEDED]
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>>183248578
>>183248986
How is literally ANY of that even far-reaching?
That is trivial.
It's even at a point where I am certain that whoever made this, made it consciously because of this reasons.
There are lots of subconscious metaphors, that are truly hard to analyze. This is not one of those cases, this is literally something a mentally challenged person would understand.

>>183249053
>based Anno admits that his show is only really about the human character
>'pure art', a masterpiece of human creation
I literally wrote both of those things.
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>>183249129
>Urobuchi loves Madoka and loves Madoka fans
>abandoned the series and the fans to play with puppets
whatever you say anon
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>>183249129
Anno sounds like an artist. Urologist just shills his product
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>>183249093
Did you know most people can’t watch Eva these days because it’s boring as shit? Do you not remember 98% of the series is sol Inuyasha type bullshit with a small amount of good moments? It only starts to pick up on episode 23 and it’s only 26 episodes long. You were an Eva fan because you watched it as a child who would watch almost any anime. It didn’t hold up.
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>>183249184
I would have abandoned it too after the Rebellion fiasco.
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>>183249184
>abandoned

He said he liked the Rebellion end dipshit and wanted to leave it at that.
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>>183249205
>Did you know most people can’t watch Eva these days because it’s boring as shit
I don’t really care about the “opinions” of normalfags
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>Madoka thread
>half the posts are about Eva shit

Lmao, literally rent free on madokeks' heads. Sad.
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>>183249223
Rebellion is the greatest anime movie on earth? The ending was perfect.
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>>183249184
the ending is perfect, adding or removing anything would make the whole less.
Only true Madoka fans understand this.
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>>183249259
You’re a normalfag. You literally watch HunterxHunter. Some of the most boring meme shit in existence. It’s literally above Naruto and below Soul Eater in terms of normalfaggerty.
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>>183249265
This is how most Eva thread are but nice propaganda. Either this or waifu wars.
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>>183249267
>>183249281
If the ending was perfect, why were they planning to make another movie?
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>>183249333
>b-but EVA threads are shit too!

Lmao, you literally can't stop talking about it. How sad.
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>>183249333
>This is how most Eva thread are
Yes, at least half of the posts are about Eva.
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Why are you faggots still falling for the same bait over and over, especially transparet shit like >>183248527
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>>183249265
Don't be mistaken, Evafags got BTFO really bad today.
Right now they are just scrambling for the pieces after losing the argument.
SAD.
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>Being proud about being so obsessed and defensive you have to shill your anime in every other thread
Only evafags.
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honestly the greatest thing about this thread is the Madoka- and Evafags bashing each other.
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This thread just goes to show that as bad a reputation Evafags, Monogatarifags, Lainfags, or whoever else get for being pretentious, no one is as pretentious or arrogant as the Madokafag. No other fandom insists so much on elevating their show to an arena of high-art they have absolutely no understanding of, or of attacking other shows to defend theirs. It's funny because they like to bring up that Madoka is modeled on the canonical Goethe's Faust as if that somehow gives Madoka a stake in the world of western canonical creative achievements. Yet I'm certain they couldn't translate one line of the German, recite one verse of Marlow's play, or even recall any classic text they were forced to read in high-school. Yet they want to outrageously battle on the grounds of high-art.
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>>183249470
Because I literally have nothing better to do with my life.
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>>183249405
Lmao you’re talking about it. Go watch Madoka now.
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>>183249513
>b-but EVAfags

Literally OBSESSED. Hilarious.
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>>183249553
That’s because HunterxHunter is shit and nobody cares about the show.
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This thread is a fine example of the asbolute state of 4ch/a/nnel.
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>>183249609
>Mention how the entire thread revolves about Eva
>G-Go watch Madoka!

Lmao, is this the only retort the obsessed madocucks have?
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>>183249637
I agree. Even though Eva in my opinion is trash compared to Madoka Magica it’s still a worthwhile show. HxH isn’t even worth the watch.
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>>183249566
>because they like to bring up that Madoka is modeled on the canonical Goethe's Faust
It's one thing to not understand Madoka. But not understanding the arguments in a 4chan thread is a whole different story
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>>183249703
The thing about that is if you watched it you’d be a Madoka fan. It’s literally as simple as that.
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>>183249181
It's reaching when you wanna call it something profound so you can justify the whole show being nothing but profound. I could easily make the same challenge and you post a picture of Asuka's boobs and I'll say the scene's purpose is Shinji's and Asuka's adolescent awkwardness is lewdity or something.
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>>183249737
And that what does it have to do with the thread being all about Eva? Use your brain madocuck.
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>>183249566
>arrogant
imagine you are Bill Gates and someone asks you if you are rich, and you reply with y-yes.
That's how arrogant Madokafags are.
We are unironically beeing humble right now, everything said in this thread is vastly underselling Madoka honestly.
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>>183249410
Kek
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>>183249828
case. in. point.
Are you listening to yourself? Do you believe you sound like a normal human being?
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Hideaki Anno on Madoka
This is really good, Kyubey. Be it getting rid of lip-synching, or working it as a character, doing it so thoroughly makes me feel great. And the symbolization of the witches is also skillfully done. The music is also good. My urge is to own the three BGM tracks like the "salesman's theme" which I love, got me to buy Vol. 2 of the Blu-Ray. Ep. 10 was good too. The way HomuHomu was depicted was good. I think in terms of the released form of anime works, going for a movie series instead of another TV series is a good way to establish it even further. I have high expectations of it.

Urobuchi on Eva
It was okay except I didn’t like Shinji. His character felt like a useless emo loser who's only still alive because his EVA goes apeshit whenever he's in danger. When he isn't whining, navel-gazing or listening to Linkin Park,
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>>183249823
It means you guys are making fun a series you haven’t watched because it surpassed your favorite show. Obviously people are going to argue with you Evafags and tell you to watch it.
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>>183249948
I know this is a troll but you just make Urobuchi sound like a pleb that can't understand basic character or empathize with realistic people.
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>>183250040
The characters in Eva are weak. Don’t let mainstream media brainwash you. Blurting our exactly how you feel at all times isn’t realistic in the slightest. The characters in Eva are some of the weakest in anime yet they get praised because of muh grimdark suffering.
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>>183249985
>E-Evafag
>Y-You haven't watched it

Poor madocuck can't come up with anything else. Have a pic of your favorite anime since you can't stop talking about it.
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>>183250093
Of Made in abyss was released in 1996 it would literally be Eva.
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>>183250093
>get praised because of muh grimdark suffering

Sounds like Madoka.
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>>183250093
The irony of this post is incredible.
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>>183250096
Why are you even here? You’re not an Eva fan and you dropped Madoka episode one because your adhd activated. Go back to your HxH thread kid.
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>>183250179
>B-but HxH

Poor madocuck, he just can't do anything else but deflect. I guess you love shit like HxH since you keep bringing it up too.
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>>183250157
Characters in Madoka have a legitimate reason why they’re suffering and it makes sense for the plot. You wouldn’t know because you haven’t seen it but they don’t suffer to get the fans dicks hard for no reason like the characters do in Evangelion.
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>>183250217
Not him but you said you dropped the series. You’re irrelevant. We know you haven’t watched Madoka. Have you at least watched Eva?
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>>183250219
Have you considered that you just haven't seen Eva?
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>>183250217
I feel bad for you. You haven’t watched the show and you’re out here acting like you know anything. At least watch it if you’re going to try and argue here.
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>>183250291
I’m an Eva fan... I’m just not to proud to admit Madoka was a better show even though I liked Eva better because I watched it as a kid.
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>>183250249
>N-Not him
>Y-You dridn't watch the show

Madocucks just can't help but do the same retort over and over. It's hilarious.
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>>183250288
>implying Madoka fans don’t enjoy this
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>>183250366
What’s hilarious is that you haven’t watched the anime. When will you watch it?
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>>183250344
I’m an EVA fan. Madoka is just shit.
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>>183250390
He won’t. He’s too busy reminiscing about the “good old days” back in 1996 before he stopped watching anime.
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>>183250344
Good. I'm a Madoka too fan but I have to disagree, Eva is better.
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>>183250403
You’re not an Eva or a Madoka fan, you’ve literally not seen either one. At least watch Madoka. It’s literally 12 episodes. You have no excuse.
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>>183250444
Eva would be better if the strongest point about the show (the characters) wasn’t in all reality one of the weakest points of the show.
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>>183250390
I already did. Twice and I liked it. Doesn't stop you guys being literally OBSESSED with Eva shit and bring it up over and over. It's rent free on your heads and fall for every single bait. It's hilarious.

Have another pic of your favorite anime.
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>>183250516
>I already did

You didn’t...
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>>183250485
>wasn’t in all reality one of the weakest points of the show.
You seem to knowledge you're an outlier here, have you considered it's just not for you or you didn't get it?
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>>183250516
They’re both good but Madoka has an episode in the god list in Japan. Eva doesn’t. That pretty much says all there needs to be said.
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>>183250556
Blurting our EXACTLY how you feel at all times essentially holding the audiences hand like a child isn’t realistic nor does it make for a good character. The characters in Eva are pretty bad but have been praised by western media because of muhh suffering.
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>>183250551
Think whatever you like, autistic madocuck. Don't forget to bring up Eva and HxH whenever someone assblasts you.

Have a pic of your favorite shonen garbage since you faggots are obsessed about it too.
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>260 posts
You're all fucking retards.
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>>183250663
>he didn’t even post a pic

Are you angry? Is it because Madoka is legitimately one of if not the single greatest anime on planet earth and you didn’t watch it?
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>>183250710
>generic art
>stolen music
>writer cheated on his wife
>underage fanbase
>anime rated for kids 9-13
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>>183250634
>Blurting our EXACTLY how you feel at all times essentially holding the audiences hand like a child isn’t realistic nor does it make for a good character.
I don't get where you're getting this from. You mean the psychological sequences? People monologue for dramatic purposes, and yes it can make great character. Read Shakespeare.
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>>183250759
>You mean the psychological sequences?

No, I mean throughout the entire anime where the characters blurt out exactly how they feel to the fans almost in fourth person and even tell you the name of the syndrome they’re suffering from. It’s pathetic.
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>>183250711
>I just said I watched it
>wah, you didn't watch it!

Lmao, the fanbase of this show really is just autistic deluded fucktards, Stay obsessed with Eva shit forever. Have another pic of your favorite anime.

>>183250753
You sure know about this shonen garbage.
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>>183250818
Yeah I don't get what's irking you here. Madoka does this too. Like I said it's called monologues. See pic.

>Wow he's blurting out exactly what his condition is? Fuck this hack Shakespeare!
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>>183249769
>reaching when you wanna call it something profound so you can justify the whole show being nothing but profound
No, a show is by definition "nothing but profound" if, nothing of it can be posted without it being profound.
And if I ask you to post anything that is "not profound", and then you post something, and then smug Eva fags think they won, and then you get completely btfo -- Then I might wager it is safe to say that it is nothing but profound.

>post a picture of Asuka's boobs
You realize that everything I said was explicitly inside the scene, right?
Look, I would unironically concede on the spot that almost every single scene from Evangelion is profound and contains deep meaning. I like it very much. That is not the point I was making.
There are shows that have it, and there are shows that don't. Both Eva and Madoka have it.
The difference is fundamentally something else: The difference is WHAT they are representing.
And that is where Madoka completely wipes the floor with Eva.

Eva IS about one man and his depression. Saying it is about something else, is insulting it.
Madoka is about abstract concepts in relation to each other and themselves.

Or to put it bluntly, let me give you an example:
Eva asks: "how can I connect with someone?"
Madoka asks: "What has value in this world?"
Madoka literally presents 5 different models of justice in relation to themselves, each other and the world. That is what Madoka is about. On the most fundamental level.
And if you can't apreciate that, because you don't care, then you just won't apreciate it. Thats simply how it is.
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>>183221885
You are retarded
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>>183250866
You didn’t even post your picture the last time because you’re literally shaking with anger. Here’s an actual good image.
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>>183251016
I wouldn’t take it to heart. He didn’t even watch it. It’s that same Evafag who spams these threads.
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>>183251020
>b-but the picture

Loving every laugh.
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Madoka is like Anohana except if it was done right:
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>>183251172
The fuck you smoking dog
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>>183251254
Theoretically it’s possible.
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>183251156
How do you deal with all your anger? Do you just come here and talk smack about popular anime shows you’ve never watched before?
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>>183221885
>This has to be the worst thing I've ever watched in my life.
Watch more anime
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I think when all is said and done we can all agree that Eva and Madoka are both good shows and they’re important to the industry and they’ve both accomplished a lot of things and have a lot to teach within their stories. There’s a reason people love them as much as they do but Madoka is simply just a much better show to the point where Eva just looks like donkey shit in comparison. That’s the problem here and why threads like this exist.*
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>>183248065
this is the most retarded statement in this thread.
The lack of understanding is remarkable.
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>>183251490
I never thought about it like that.
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>>183222814
Nice.

>>183221885
I was a Madoka Magica contrarian for a while, so I can relate OP. But I realized somewhere along the way that most of my abject anger at the show was a result of the fanboyish praise and worship that it receives on a daily basis, when the reality is it's just fine. It's not great, it's not even really good, I'd say it's a smidge above mediocre. The only reason Madoka Magica gets as much hate as it gets, is because for every contrarian there are 100 mouth-breathing lunatics who can't shut the fuck up about how deep and brilliant and "deliciously dark" it is, or whatever other autistic euphemisms for "tryhard edgy" you can think of.

It's not a brilliant deconstruction of the Magic Girl genre. It's not deep just because it's dark, and it's not even that well-executed.
It's also not pure garbage, but I can relate a lot more to people who think it is than I can to the retarded faggots who worship this painfully average show.
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>>183250985
>becasue a show is more grandiose in essence means it's better
Plenty of media go for grand existential shots. I'm just not impressed by what Madoka did. I think it was a lot of stylism and gimmicks working in too small a frame for too grand an intent. And I could easily make a case that the personal journey of a work like EVA is just as potentially profound and touching as art as a look at the abstract relations.
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>>183251016
Rate the show out of 10 and explain why then, fag.
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>>183251555
I was a Evangelion contrarian for a while, so I can relate OP. But I realized somewhere along the way that most of my abject anger at the show was a result of the fanboyish praise and worship that it receives on a daily basis, when the reality is it's just fine. It's not great, it's not even really good, I'd say it's a smidge above mediocre. The only reason Eva gets as much hate as it gets, is because for every contrarian there are 100 mouth-breathing lunatics who can't shut the fuck up about how deep and brilliant and "deliciously dark" it is, or whatever other autistic euphemisms for "tryhard edgy" you can think of.

It's not a brilliant deconstruction of the Mech genre. It's not deep just because it's dark, and it's not even that well-executed.
It's also not pure garbage, but I can relate a lot more to people who think it is than I can to the retarded faggots who worship this painfully average show
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>>183251600
Plenty of media go for grand existential shots. I'm just not impressed by what Eva did. I think it was a lot of stylism and gimmicks working in too small a frame for too grand an intent. And I could easily make a case that the personal journey of a work like Madoka is just as potentially profound and touching as art as a look at the abstract relations
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>>183251396
animes*
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>>183251490
>>183251540
A literally copy pasted post and samefagged response. Pathetic madocucks.
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>>183251208
>So mad he replied twice and deleted his first post

Poor madocuck, you must be shaking with anger. Go watch some Eva and HxH so you can relax.
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>>183251490
There we go. Eva was the pioneer, Madoka is the next step. Hopefully we'll get an anime that builds off of Madoka and make it look like dogshit in the near future.
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>>183251637
>>183251671
Holy shit!! he's doing what the guy earlier did! so clever
Except he didn't do it right at all because one post isn't following the thread of the argument.
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>>183251637
This would be applicable if Evangelion were also reliant on injecting grimdark into a moe shoujo anime. I'm sorry I've upset you by disliking something you like. Also I hate to disappoint you but I also thought Evangelion took itself too seriously and I'm not a big fan of it either.
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>>183251637
>>183251671
I think we broke him.
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>>183251712
Actually that post is from a review claiming how bad Eva is. You copied it and pasted here first and switched the words..
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>>183251818
Typical Eva fanboys.
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>>183251795
Your opinion doesn’t matter.. you didn’t watch it.
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Madoka > your favorite anime
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>>183251720
Except Madoka is not the next step. The only reason it even got any attention in the first place is because it took a fluffy kid's show framework and jam-packed it full of overblown grit. Grit does not automatically make a show good, and the difference between Evangelion and Madoka is that while both are way too reliant on it, at least the former brings something else to the table.
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>>183221885
>This reads like bait, but I wish it was
8/10 bait lad. You probably got a lot of people with it
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>>183251600
>Plenty of media go for grand existential shots.
Absolutely right.

>working in too small a frame for too grand an intent
No. And that is exactly the point.
Madoka DIDN'T shoot too high. Madoka aimed at the highest possible goal and then somehow against all odds managed to hit the bullseye. I don't know what exactly you find "too small" in Madoka, as I myself struggle to put the things that I get from it into words. Madoka initially dismisses a lot of positions that it finds wanting out of hand, but then it goes to great lengths to depict the other ones - and ends without a conclusion because the questions it was dealing with are just too hard to be answered. Whereas most shows who do this end up picking a side.

>I could easily make a case that the personal journey of a work like EVA is just as potentially profound and touching as art as a look at the abstract relations.
And that is where I disagree. The personal journey of EVA is indeed an achievement of art, but it is exactly as you said: "It didn't aim for the grandest intent", it just wanted to tell a human story. And that is respectable and a great piece of art.
However, this pales in comparison to when someone actually succeeds in depicting those grand existential shots that so many media fail pitifully at.

>>183251671
please stop embarrassing our side. Or are you perhaps false flagging?
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>>183251884
>he doesn't like what i like?
>h-he just must not have watched it
Imagine cope-posting this hard. Of course I watched it, retard. It's not hard to do. It's twelve 20-minute episodes. Only shitposters talk trash about a show without watching it, and no shitposter would take the time to actually try to seriously point out what they found wrong with the show.

People like you are exactly why it took me so long to get over my hatred for this show. Not only do you faggots worship something that's solidly within the ballpark of "fine", but you all appear to suffer a collective existential crisis whenever someone dares to say they don't think it's the greatest thing ever created.

I swear, it's like you people are trying to be the shittiest fanbase in all of anime.
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>>183251947
How can Madoka be better than itself?
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>>183252093
>but then it goes to great lengths to depict the other ones - and ends without a conclusion because the questions it was dealing with are just too hard to be answered. Whereas most shows who do this end up picking a side
But in most other shows, taking a third option would be criticized as bad/lazy writing. Never thought Madoka did anything revolutionary with it.
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>>183252093
>Or are you perhaps false flagging?
The amount of delusion in this thread is incredible. Are you just now realizing how cancerous the Madoka fanbase is? Why do you think your show gets so much hate? It's not because your show is shit, it's because your cohorts are shit.
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>>183221885
>The animation is extremely lazy
much better animation than other cult-oriented animes like Girls und panzer which have an extremely lazy animation with 0 sasuga.
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>>183251795
if you think "injecting grimdark into a moe shoujo anime" is what makes Madoka good, then you have not understood it. Simple as that.

>>183252306
Madoka didn't take a third option.
Are you right now talking about Madoka making her wish?
That was no third option, that was the only option. The original series ends as a tragedy: Homura didn't manage to change fate, and once again Madoka sacrificed herself like she already did in every timeline before that.
Only this time, the whole world got a little bit less horrible because of it, and Homura's chance of saving Madoka disappeared. It is a tragically conclusion.
The irony is that so many people don't even understand that this is what happened.
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>>183252312
Oh, believe me, it is you who does not know how cancerous the Madoka fanbase is. What were are having today is one of the best days in recent memory.
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Imagine how sad it would be to have stopped watching anime in 1996 and to come to make a thread about a series that had surpassed your show just to make fun of it even though you’ve never watched it? Pretty sad if you ask me.
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>>183252599
>you have not understood it
Ah, we're onto phase 2:
>Okay maybe you watched it but you clearly just didn't understand it.
Reread my post. The grimdark was how it got attention. It was a gimmick. But it's so obtrusive that it hurts the show. It's not what makes it good, it's what makes it worse.
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>>183252093
>"too small"
The problem i find with most grandiose anime, that it works in styles and gimmicks that detach it from universal human experience. We're talking about a show of magic teenage girls dealing with the profundities of mankind. The symbol and action to theme do not synthesize. On top of that the matter is too quick for a very convincing expression of its theme. We're expected to take immediately and very seriously the overall fantasticality of the situation. The events that drive Madoka's story is something that can only arise out of that fantasticality (magic girls, maleovlent aliens, witches ect.), they are not wholly the realistic expressions and results of these particular characters in normal human circumstance.
>And that is where I disagree...
I'll disagree too then. What i was trying to say was that the lesser, more individually explorative work can yield greater than the grand approach. To me the character itself is what drives the greatest work, and the profoundest expression is derived through character, philosophical formalities not needed. The profoundest works imo, are the expressions of the inner man and the drive of it.
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>>183252855
What you are saying is so retarded, that you just need to be dismissed with saying "you didn't understand it".
You think you are cool if you post things like
>I also thought Evangelion took itself too seriously and I'm not a big fan of it either
because all the big boys should have an opinion on things, r-right - just like Digibro on youtube?
That is where you are at right now. You are literally trying to be an edgy contrarian for the sake of it, and your posts just show that you barely understand what is written on tv-tropes - yet alone the series themselves. But its alright, you will grow out of that phase eventually, hopefully.
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Average of 5.23 posts per IP. Congrats on being absolute tumors the whole lot of you.
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>>183253006
>The symbol and action to theme do not synthesize.
>We're expected to take immediate and very seriously the overall fantasticality of the situation.
perhaps that is where the problem lies. I am very fond of abstractions and am very fast to accept hypotheticals without questioning them, as they are, frankly, hypotheticals.
And that is how I view the fantasticality of the situation, it is meant to create an extreme moral dilemma because it distills the elements down to its foundations.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the fantasticality of it creates situations that are impossible to reproduce with ordinary means, yet it is true that they are put to their ultimate extremes. However, what you are implying is that those situations have, because of their fantasticality, little relation to the real world:
This would be true if the consequences and decisions made in relation to those fantastic situations would be as fantastic as the situations themselves - and that is clearly not the case.

>events that drive Madoka's story
fundamentally it is not events that drive Madoka's story, but concepts:
Even if you got rid of (magic girls, maleovlent aliens, witches ect.),
You could very easily port the situation into a usual every day setting and have it be accurately represented.
The problem is that you would create a story that would be so heavy, that it would not be digestible.
Imagine a guy who loses his feet while saving a girl from getting crushed by a train, but then decides that he is not good enough for her anymore and dies from the infection because he lost his will to live.
That was Sayaka's story. And that is how you port those things into the real world - and believe me, it is the least messed up of them. Homura especially.

>The profoundest works imo, are the expressions of the inner man and the drive of it.
That is absolutely the case with Madoka though, it is just dealing with different issues the man is dealing with inside.
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>>183253172
>Thinking that both Eva and Madoka are overrated means you don't have opinions
Is that your final answer?

Discounting the fact that thinking something is overrated is an OPINION, I assume what you're trying to accuse me of is claiming to take issue with everything so I can be above it all. Is that right? If so, here's a show that I felt did "cute girls in a dark setting" better than Madoka Magica did, and I adored it. Feel free to offer your garbage opinion on it.
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Did you guys know that Madoka is a masterpiece?
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>>183250288
This entire thread is like 50 layers of recursively nested bait, it's great
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>>183254755
>Feel free to offer your garbage opinion on it.
Here it is: Madoka is as much "cute girls in a dark setting" as Hitler is a guy with a mustache. That is all I'm going to say about this.
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>>183255189
You don't get to pretend it's not a blatant and intentional subversion of the Mahou Shoujo subgenre just because it's uncomfortable to admit I'm right.
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>>183254289
It's true that they can be replicated to something realistic but still the manner it's done in is too over-the-top and quick-fire, and the fantastical elements driving it did not have clear or direct correlations to reality to me. I just think as a serious tragical human expression it falls somewhat incomplete. Concepts can drive a story but they need human realities or understandable correlates and their correct application in events to make them proper mimesis, otherwise you may as well write essays or treatises on the theme.
>That is absolutely the case with Madoka
Okay, but I disagree that it's quite as personal or explorative on an individual level. Still, the point here was that I don't think conceptually grandiose aims always achieve the greatest result over more personal, purely individual stories.
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>>183255988
>the fantastical elements driving it did not have clear or direct correlations to reality to me
I see your point, but I don't really see how this is a bad thing.
>they need human realities or understandable correlates and their correct application in events to make them proper mimesis
Well, Madoka is abstract art, it is not meant to be like this.

Well, my point is that the concepts you have in Madoka will not be able to be expressed in any other form.
Like, the only thing that comes close to Rebellions ending in terms of "the human reality it is trying to convey", is arguably "2001 a space Odysee", and it is just as abstract as Madoka. That is because you can't even reasonably put into words what they are trying to express there.

>otherwise you may as well write essays or treatises on the theme.
You may laugh, but that is the level I view Madoka on, it's like Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

>I don't think conceptually grandiose aims always achieve the greatest result over more personal, purely individual stories.
Well, what even are "greatest results"? Like, if you want to make a fire, then wood will serve you much better than gold. I just feel like a lot of stories are capable of telling a purely individualistic tale about a person. But fulfilling grandiose aims is and stays as a glorious achievement. Even if you yourself don't value them that much, it still stands as a monument to human potential. Just like you might like your house better than the pyramids - yet you still can't dismiss them as inferior because of that
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Unironically Kore wa Zombie was a better Mahou Shoujo that aired the same season as Madoka. Zombie was actually innovative. Something Madoka only hoped to achieve.
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>>183255521
That is not what I said, "Hitler is a guy with a mustache", is a true statement.

>of the Mahou Shoujo subgenre
You are trying so hard to sound smart, but every single of your statements shows that you don't know what you are talking about, and are just parroting things you have picked up on the internet. And it shows.
All those other people in this thread fall into two categories: baiters, and people who unironically debate things and know what they are talking about, ironically. It is all on the seventy-sixth layer of irony.
When someone like you shows up, it is like when a blue dog enters the room, everyone immediately notices it. You really should lurk more before posting.
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>>183254755
>here's a show that I felt did "cute girls in a dark setting" better than Madoka Magica
HAHAHAHAHA
Gakkou Gurashi in anime was trash. Endless flashbacks, shitty dog, unremarkable direction, bad pacing, many elements missing, no actual tension. The manga was MILES better.
You've just shown you have actual trash taste. Get the fuck out.
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>>183257463
That’s fanart.
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This is by far the worst thread this year. I mean the fucking OP was bait and got this many replies fuck sakes.
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>>183258061
Agreed. This one is better >>183257911
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>>183258089
No thread this year will be as fun as the re-watch threads were. I had a blast talking and posting with anons there.
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>>183256943
>Well, Madoka is abstract art
Then let's just agree I don't like this gist you seem to be getting Madoka from. Humanity and aesthetic power work on correlates, symbols, and frameworks and the manipulations of them. I disagree that Madoka is totally 'abstract' because I think it tries to go for this too but it doesn't succeed very well.
>Well, my point is that the concepts...
No, I don't really agree with any of this. I think they're capable of being translated in essence to any medium. And 2001 was a more sensible expression, its approach held more rapport to human experience.
And yeah i would laugh at the Nietzsche comparison. Not that Madoka doesn't do the reference or whatever but they aren't on the same level of accomplishment or importance. When you raise the anime to such a high level it isn't gonna the test of time.
>Like, if you want to make a fire, then wood will serve you much better than gold
I don't agree with this framework you've got here nor does it translate well when talking of art. Through smaller matters the greatest can be reached. Shakespeare isn't as grand in design as, say, G.R.R. Martin or Tolkien, yet he's still considered the GOAT artist by some because through his mimesis of the human character, and through that the meta is defined. Reality for the most part in people is a sublimation through the personal character. The profoundest aesthetic accomplishment is the relation of the self, the definer of 'achievement' in the first place.
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>>183258061

>I can't refute it so it must be bait
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>>183258255
Why don't you fuck off back there because clearly you're from there, faggot.
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>>183258001
Here's official art then.
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>>183258253
I actually meant the Nietzsche comparison as a comparison of the way the content is structured and the level of abstraction used, and not necessarily the importance of the work itself.

Madoka is not totally abstract in the literal sense, but it's scenario is totally fantastic, to the point where its relation to the human condition becomes purely abstract as a hypothetical.

I guess you are right, I view Madoka as a story of: "Imagine someone got into x situation", and as far as it seems to me all characters in Madoka are more or less perfect rational actors that execute their own ideology flawlessly without fail and follow it to the grave.
Their flaws are more or fewer prerequisites for someone to arrive at a certain conclusion, but not issues that are holding them back.
Madoka is about the Ideas themselves, and second only about the people representing them.
Contrary to that the characters in Evangelion are very human, their flaws are real and numerous. That is an important distinction.

So I think the question is what you actually want to get out of it.
If you want to watch a show about humans being human and understand their human struggles and relate to them yourself, then that is something Eva will offer you.
If you want to watch a conflict of ideas in extreme hypothetical scenarios and seek to understand their flaws limits and if you want to truly gaze into the abyss, then Madoka is for you.

I guess that is a nice way to put it:
Eva is a human abyss,
Madoka is an existential abyss.

If you are dealing with depression and problems with human interaction, then Eva is more relatable.
If you are however having an existential crisis about the meaning of life, then Madoka is more relatable.
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>>183258188
Well, we can always do another rewatch. Rebellion anniversary is coming up, and then Walpurgisnacht. I'm definitely rewatching it on both, if not with /a/ then on my own.
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>>183259009
Alright. My only real scruple here that when I speak of the personal character being the sublimator I would extend that to matters of 'abyss'. To me an existential abyss is an extension of a personal abyss. So you can see how I would come to regard Madoka as subpar if we admit the characters become secondary.
I've gotten rather meta though in evaluating art and I'm sure some people would disagree with me on a fundamental level on people and reality. For me, I can't get much into Madoka once we start talking of it on the grounds of grand achievement of art.
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>>183258368
https://www.reddit.com/r/MadokaMagica/
You mean this place?
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>>183259682
>/a/ celebrates the anniversary by rewatching the show together
>reddit celebrates it with cosplay

Sasuga reddit.
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>>183258368
>no u
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If fancutfag guy is here, the episode 2 rooftop scene in the movie edition seemed to revert back to original and not the v1. Just watching v2 through it now since I missed the pre-rebellion stream.
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fuck if i'm going to read this thread

Sana gets an anime this year~!
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>>183226544
which one?
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>>183261748
Last name's Kaname, dumb crackposter.
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>>183247253
i mean, >>183247111 is right, but you're acting quite irrational and its entertaining seeing you struggle and panic.
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>>183250586
link this list at least to properly prove your point
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>>183261655
Sana is good but Alina-senpai is best New Meguca.
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>>183235208
Well this is like saying that Watchmen is shit, because the comics industry spent the next decade churning out edgy shit.
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Good thread goes up.



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