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What went wrong?
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>>183166058
It didn't put the grasses on
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>>183166058
Nothing. It was a perfect trainwreck
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>>183166058
The future arc was mostly focused on a bunch of people newly introduced without time to build them up. The past arc was a bit rushed and the overall finale felt pretty anticlimactic.
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>>183166058
V3
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Characters and story got progressively worse after the first successful game.
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>>183166058
Took and Komaru didn’t fuck.
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>>183166058
They brutally killed off the Pikachu girl, instead of making her the new protag and series mascot
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>>183166468
I think the major twist from the second game (not the setting part) was pretty great.
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>>183166468
What about the beautiful and cute Chiaki?
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>>183166058
Not enough Juuzo
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>>183166058
Picked the wrong villain. Pic absolutely not related, she could've been good.
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Future: weak characters, contrived motives, Naegi not impregnating Kirigiri
Past: DESPAIR MIND CONTROL LOL XD
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>>183166538
It was okay, but it was pretty clear it would go nowhere.
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>>183166058
It didn't have a real draw like Lord Zeussu
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>>183166058
It wasn't a video game.
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>>183166568
An outlier of perfection in a sea of mediocrity.
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>>183166568
She's one of the worst offenders in that regard.
Anyway, you can sum up the main problem with DR3 with a common proverb
>man who chases two rabbits will catch neither.
If they had focused on one story instead of cramming in two stories, it would have had a chance to be somewhat decent.
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I love my gorgeous wife!
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>>183166058
Ripping all of its ideas from another franchise finally caught up with it.
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>>183166058
Future Arc:
>bunch of nobodies get killed, people only care about old characters, and those few who manage to show some personality before getting murdered. Basically, failure to understand that Danganronpa rides hard on shock value of your favorites being killed off
>Naegi, the symbol of hope, gets hypnotized in seconds so he can be saved by Juzo "Fist McPunch" Boy
>Kyoko's arc is handled in very shitty way. Her "death" was pretty interesting, as anime seemed to try to attack fan-favorite character, like games do all the time, and yet there were plenty of details that gave people hope that she has prepared some countermeasures. Instead, Mikan just stumbles upon her and heals her. No use of ultimate detective skill, one's wits or anything else. There are countless ways things could be handled in world of Danganronpa, and chosen one was worst possible
Despair Arc:
>rushed here, full of filler there
>tried to give new characters from Future Arc some positive points, failed miserably
>ruins Junko (already character disliked by many) to the point of no return by saying "she just hypnotized everyone with anime someone else drew". This point is worst actually, since first two games give her image of charismatic cult leader
>makes Chiaki real, shits on everything in DR2
>kills Chiaki to same "shock content" (that is, apes one of worse ideas found in games)
Ending Arc:
>rushed hack job that tried to save status-quo

Just things from the top of my head. It has way too many problems, honestly, one could write whole paper on how not to do anime in general and adaptations specifically, using DR3 as a one big example.
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I'll never forget the salt that was produced because of the first episode
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>>183166058
No Junko
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>>183167801
Based
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>>183166058
I had a lot of fun watching it with /a/v/
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I love my cutie Akane!
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It was beautiful
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What I found more interesting is huge difference between this trainwreck, and Senran Kagura anime that happened not so long ago.
As >>183168243 says, DR3's run was followed by daily threads on /a/, and people generally had fun watching how that anime will shit the bed next time. In comparison, SK anime went almost unnoticed, while being equally bad.
Both tried to add more story to series, and fucked up so hard fans prefer to believe anime didn't happen.
Both largely didn't understand what makes originals work at least on some level (neither Danganronpa nor Senran Kagura are stellar games. One can like them, and alot, as I do, but it you just can't pretend to ignore their mistakes and problems).
Both had rather bad artwork, which is especially weird considering both series have alot of eye-candy to them (Danganronpa has styling, Senran Kagura has mix of ninjas and mahou shoujo, both have loads of girls).
Was DR3 airing in some particularly boring season with nothing else to watch, or was it "so bad it's good"?
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>>183166058
The final game was so bad that half the DR studio left to form a new game studio
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This thread is mine
Kokichi Ouma
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>>183166058
Nothing, you didn't watch it with /a/ so you missed out.

I wouldn't change a thing about the experience I had watching it.
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>>183168784
STOOOOPU
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>>183169080
Yes, it was a wild ride
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>>183169080
Never forget
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>>183168517
J U Z O B O Y S
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>>183169427
Okay! uso dayo
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>>183169485
>tfw its been 30 months since it aired.
Time goes by too quickly.
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>>183169934
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Remember Monaca?
Remember that fucking loli-sized Lucifer that was supposed to be this grand character who took the mantle of Ultimate Despair as a self-made second incarnation of Juno?
Remember her just giving up after only formally appearing in like one episode and flying off to be a fucking NEET in space?
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>>183171526
Who?
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>>183166468
V3 and DR2 are both better than the first one
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>>183167801
It should've went full Future. Despair was a mistake, should've knew that Junko would never live up to the hype.

>>183171526
I think it's kind of appropriate for her, but I'd prefer if it was handled better and she had more screentime.
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>>183172133
>I think it's kind of appropriate for her
The girl who lived years faking to be paralyzed.
The girl who mercilessly offered up her parents for the sake of Junko.
The girl who brought 4 classmates into total belief into her, planned a suicide pact with (that she was going to pull out of at the last second to watch their despair).
The girl who was the acting gamemaster for a city-wide control network for her own spinoff game.
Just kinda giving up before doing anything that important and going full NEET because shit's too hard?
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>>183172213
Just like Junko, she was bored. That's the only reason she helped Junko. And Komaeda bored her to death with his constant ramblings about hope and despair.
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>>183172213
She didn't quit cause it was hard, she realized that treating concepts like hope and despair as religions was retarded.
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Nekomaru!
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>>183172500
delet this
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>>183172500
NYAHAHAHA
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we didn't get DR0 animated
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KiriJunko didn't happen
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>>183172617
>there's no scene is DR2 where Akane gives you paizuri

What were they thinking?
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>>183173708
kodaka is cucked and bluepilled, making nanami the love interest and not the athlete qt
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>>183172500
Only one person can be cute with neko mimi!
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>>183173799
As much as I love Akane, let's be real. She has an IQ of 2, not exactly wife material for Kodaka's intended audience.
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>>183173953
wasnt she originally planned to be the rival though?
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>>183174002
Yeah, but then Kodaka decided to go for the nega-Makoto psyche out. And honestly beta Akane seems like she'd just have been a haughty bitch like Byakuya or Fuyuhiko so I think we really lucked out with Nagito.
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>>183167801
I'll have to disagree on Naegi being hypnotized. Kirigiri was the one who propped him up to be one. He's meant to be a normal dude not the messiah./Anti-Junko. If anything, that was just his luck. Hell, Junko was affected by the prototype which was meant to fill one with hope.

If anything, I liked that his vision was a sort of consequence on his initial answer on carrying his dead friends with him instead of overtaking them as Kirigiri suggested.

If you really want to bs that he was the least affected by it, Saeko went crazy enough that she literally embed herself on a steel wall yet Juzo's little shove was able to snap Naegi out of it? The video itself seemed to be more on making one suicide rather than be filled with despair anyways.
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>>183166058
>What went wrong?
Nothing.
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>>183166058
Not enough nagito komaeda
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>>183168710
More DR people care about DR and it's stories while SK fans mainly cares for the fanservice.

DRs anime would provide answers to theories and possible character deaths. I'm not sure anyone really cares about the overarching plot of SK or at least takes it as seriously
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>>183167481
Retard
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>>183166058
The meme dubs went very right though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTH2rfoukZk
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>>183166058
You know what.
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Everything.
But now that that's out of the way, was there ANYONE THAT COULD EVEN REMOTELY CONTROL OUR BOY JUZO?
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>>183166058
why did they changed the sister's personality so hard? In the anime she is just a dumb brocon slut who likes high noises and birght colors while in the game she is a normal student that was suddenly throw in a in insane world?
they the writers even played the game? like they went "who is this girl?" "mc's sister" "looks hot, ok so she is a slut and in love with his brother", dragon ball evolution tier.
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>>183166468
the first game had the worst characters and cases
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>the whole theme was people succumbing to despair.
>in the end was mindhack.
>then the last game came and it was just the author complaining about being forced to make the game.
Im kind of curious about how much someone can beat his own creation until they set him free.
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>>183177312
>2-2, 2-3, and 2-5 are all in the bottom 5.
>The only egregious cases in DR1 are 1-1 which has to suffer from being an opening case and localization and 1-5 which is just weak.
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>>183177371
>Im kind of curious about how much someone can beat his own creation until they set him free.
Final Fantasy
https://youtu.be/xuWkvyeAu0E
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V3 > 2 > 1
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>>183166058
Despair arc retold a story that didn't need to be told, and the unnecessary details detracted from the intrigue of the second game. Future arc was too cowardly to do anything bold, and introduced a cast of one-dimensional fodder characters so that no established characters would have to die - their deaths didn't matter because we didn't have the time to get to know them liek the games had provided in past entries, and having survivors die might risk pissing off fans. Hope arc brought everyone back to life from SDR2 (even wearing their fucking game outfits) as a masturbatory "gift" to fans, redeemed Mitarai with no real repercussion for his actions, and then just reset everything.

It retreaded old ground (doing it in a way that detracted from the prior weight of what we knew) and told a new story that didn't really add anything to the world of the series.
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>>183167481
>Liking Nisio "The Hack" Isin
Why am I not surprised?
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>>183166058
Since the Danganronpa games are so grounded in figuring out the mysteries behind deaths and those that surround the cast's imprisonment, the anime remove a salient feature in what makes Danganronpa Danganronpa: the player interaction. In particular, Danganronpa 3's Despair Arc has no mystery factor whatsoever as it recounts events that were discussed over the course of the previous games. However, in order to make up for the lack of mystery in the plot, the writers employ an innovative narrative structure that flips the mystery genre on its head. Instead of figuring out who the killer is like in the games, the viewer must now figure out why this shit is so awful
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Why am I mildly turned on by the DR art style?
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>>183176955
KAMUKURA KAMUKURA YAS QUEEN
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>>183177371
Kodaka went full Rian Johnson before it was cool.
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>>183178130
It's normal, anon.
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It felt like it only existed to answer questions that nobody asked in the first place.
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Which execution was the hottest, /a/?
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>>183178233
mikans i fap to the thought of putting my fist missile into her tight cooter
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>>183178191
I did want to know how the SDR2 kids succumbed to despair and now I wish I never asked.
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>>183178287
What exactly killed Mikan?
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Where's my Juzoboys at
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>>183178430
Don't worry.
We're all Juzoboys here
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>>183178405
if the rocket reached space, then oxygen deprivation. if it crashed, it would be force of impact. that is assuming she wouldnt just fall off and die a painful death
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Every entry in this franchise always turn to shit the moment Junko shows up.
Prove me wrong, protip : you can't
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>>183178150
The English dub was the biggest wild ride.
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>>183178340
>think Junko used her superior manipulation and analytical skills to prey upon their insecurities, failings and desires, perverting them into agents of her ideology
>hurr durr she bullied some nerd into making a brainwashing anime and aired it world wide
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>>183178532
I mean Kodaka clearly can't make a new installment without the biggest twist being "Oh my God, it's Junko Enoshima!" for the 5th time.
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>>183178468
Gotta be the latter because space shouldn't exist in the simulation.
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>>183178542
It's especially disappointing after seeing her pull off the manipulation angle on the Warriors of Hope in DRAE.
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>>183178532
Junko is a great antagonist in the first one.
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>>183177501
>2-5 is in the bottom 5
Leave.

Also, while I agree that the logistics of those first two are mediocre, the heart of the series is in its characterization and relations, and DR1 is a fucking disaster in that regard while DR2 is incredibly strong. Also 2-1 and 2-4 are godly and beat out anything from THH.
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>>183172072
Still V3 had the weakest and pussy protagonist compared Hinata even Naegi
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>>183179022
>Great antagonist
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>>183178233
Korekiyo in both ways
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>>183178532
Junko's the worst character in the series, so I guess
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>>183179175
And people initially believe he was Naegi and Kigiri until said fuck your theories
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>>183179211
Hey I never said you couldn't have shit taste.
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>>183179175
Think that was kinda the point, anon. He grew into an authoritative role from initially being a pussy as his relationships with Kaito and Maki developed and the collective group began to respect him. Acts pretty damn cool during the final trial as well. I don't even think Makoto has a personality
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>>183179175
Come on, Keebo may have been a pushover but he was still pretty cool in the end.
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>>183179037
Ultimate Luck is a shitty write-off for an antagonistic force to have a variant of plot armor and over-reliance on it takes away from the impact from the actual intelligence Nagito displays.
The entire method of killing shouldn't be credited to the "accomplice" because in any less abstract application of murder-by-poison, a Killing Game should apply it to the person who put the poison in the container.
Even if you argue that Monokuma twists the ruling to get rid of Chiaki as "the traitor" to benefit to his plan as he intended to with Kyoko in 1-5, then this case's set up falls again. The Mastermind acting outside of their authority and own rules, unlike in DR1 by setting up a false murder and in DRv3 by finishing an incomplete murder both to kill a Spotless instead of a Blackened, is supposed to be the crux of their own undoing. This just isn't the case in DR2.
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>>183179308
Anon has a point
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>>183179308
Well duh Naegi personality is typical average joe and final game becoming messiah of hope
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>>183179308
He went a super ace detective to "MUI WAIFU IS DEAD AND BAD PERSON" guy. Even Naegi never was that level.
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>>183179353
>hurr durr, this case isn't realistic and didn't go how i wanted it to

Everything that occurred in it had plenty of precedent from earlier in the story. It was well established by that point that Nagito factored his luck into his plans as an actual "talent" rather than it being some obscure asspull. Various minor examples aside, the Russian Roulette should've been enough.

Your remaining point about Monokuma is just autistic screeching about the story not following the trope you wanted it to. Loosely defined rules such as the case of who was ultimately responsible for the murder are up to Monokuma's discretion, and obviously he'll always pick whatever's most inconvenient for the students. Expecting him to not cotton to Nagito's plan and let the case end easily would have been retarded as he had to have been able to observe the whole setup of the murder before it occurred, yet did nothing to stop it or clarify the misunderstanding Nagito would have been making in your scenario. There's also no particular reason this case had to be the breaking point for Monokuma's characterization. It's its own entity; leave it at that.
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>>183174344
>Denying that Danganronpa wouldn't exist without Zaregoto
Don't get me started on the female high school age serial killer who uses custom scissors as her primary weapon.
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>>183179353
Yeah that's my idea of DR2, it completely throws the premise out.
Instead of the mastermind trying to kill them in an unfair but structured way, it turns into the mastermind just trying to kill them without them having a chance and the characters going along with it.
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>>183179465
You really butchered the character and the order of events here anon.
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>>183179570
>Actually defending Nagito quintupling the odds of blowing his brains out in Russian Roulette as good writing because he's aware how bullshit his luck is.
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>>183179741
One thing DR2 also got wrong was how reliant it was on red herrings.

In the end, the imposter being Byakuya was just there to as a red herring and didn't really matter.

In the end, all the signs of Nagito somehow being Naegi's twisted form is all just a weird coincidence.

At least, the trials being sorta the same has some weak reasoning that Monokuma planned them to be the same to twist the knife into the FF that was watching but that all still sounds like BS as there's no way he's be able to predict that shit even if it had Junko's Analyst ability.
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>>183179741
My biggest problem was that in the first game, Monokuma never directly attacked anyone outside of the final stretch. He was a dick, but the kids always had the option not to kill each other. In 2 and 3, he started pulling "okay, I'm going to kill everyone here unless someone kills someone before the time limit" shit.
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>>183178532
Shane Monaca decided to fuck off and become a space neet. She was a better antagonist than Junko.
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>>183179175
>We reject Danganronpa
>pussy
Yeah right
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>>183166058
Nothing, it was the best ride I had thanks to /a/
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3 was absolute horseshit, but watching it with /a/ was such a fucking ride.
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>>183180943
Another reason to love /a/
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>>183180682
Monokuma's role is manipulation, each time a new temptation is revealed and murder happens through motive.
At least with DR1, the sequels do away with that, which is the problem. At that point it loses the mystery genre and becomes a random VN with bad writing.
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>>183180943
>>183181549
The only way to experience 3, literally only one chance to watch the show.
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>>183167481
>>183178062
>>183179697
hey, but now nisio's (much) less popular friend is kodaka's successor
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>>183177226
woah... I'm feeling hope and shit
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danganronpa more like dan gone crappa
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>>183166058
JUZOBOYS is all that didn't go wrong
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Every Chiaki x Hajime scene was beautiful.
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>>183166058
The franchise was overrated to begin with
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>>183167256
The idea of two stories was fine, and would have actually been a neat idea had they decided to actually blend them together effectively- Juzo's story handled on both fronts is pretty much proof of that untapped potential, since he was the only redeeming factor in this shitshow.

Their problem was shoving in a bunch of literally whos into the one story and killing them off before we could even care about them, and in the other story just doing "I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT" callbacks and shitty retcons.
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>>183185999
Basically it was the worst parts of Star Wars prequels on one half and the worst parts of the Disney SW movies on the other half.
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A bunch of future arcs characters felt like wasted potential. I wish they got a game instead.
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>>183177371
>DR2 says that Junko sysmetatically weaved her cultish web of despair around students, manipulating them into giving in to their desires
>DR3 changes this to her forcing some otaku to make a mindhacc anime
Jesus Christ. Way to turn your cult leader character into some petty thug.
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Man imagine waiting 2 or was it 3 weeks for this to ultimately mean nothing.
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>Entire world is almost destroyed cause one man won't admit he's a homo
Heh
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>>183166058
They failed to ship Naegi with Junko
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>>183178532
It's impossible to prove you wrong, it's a well-known fact that endings are the weakest point of the franchise.

Besides, I want to bully Saionji so much. I want to scold her to tears and throw her into pool. I want to take her gummies and eat them in front of her. Then I'll force-feed her with lemon-flavored gummies, palm after palm. I want to call her a stinky and take her panties so she has to going commando for the rest of the trip. I want to mock her inability to put her kimono by herself, so I'll strip her every once in a while, yelling what one day, she'll be glad to be able to dress up herself. Also, I'll take her kitty hairpins, making her long blonde hair cover her private parts. And when I'll give kimono back to her, I'll make sure to put Mr. Ants in every single pleat and Mr. Crab in her panties.

And when finally she snaps and try to bully me by any means possible, I'll spank her in front of everyone until she'll like it. And when she'll come to me, begging for another spanking, I'll mock her again, then spank her as if my life depends on it, laughing on her moans full of pleasure. Mere seconds before her climax, I'll throw her into pool once again, leaving her in her aroused state.
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>>183179175
>Shuichi weaker than anyone ESPECIALLY Naegi
Fucking retard
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>>183186236
Holy shit, bully-kun. I fucking love you. (no homo, of course)
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>>183179697
Called you a retard because yes no shit everything is inspired by something else, nothing comes out of the void
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>>183166058
>What went wrong?
Nothing, watching with /a/ was some of the most fun I've had here

J U Z O B O Y S
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>>183184928
Chiaki best girl
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>>183186236
Jesus, I remember when you first started posting these and the pasta was like ten times smaller than it is now. It doesn't even feel that long ago.
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Naegiri is cute and canon
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Brainwashing gimmick? Bad and lazy. Junko seducing each of the SDR2 kids into despair like how it was supposed to be? That's the good shit.
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>>183190479
Hinanami is as cute as Naegiri
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>>183190838
Even cuter!
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>>183191432
I can't think of a character I've wanted to cuddle as bad as Chiaki. She just seems so soft that you'd fall blissfully asleep with her in your arms.
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>>183191755
I can.
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>>183166058
Tried to explain shit that was better off being a mystery. Turned the ultimate talents into anime superpowers. Introduced the most unlikeable and useless characters to the franchise. Not enough Ultra Despair Girls.
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>>183191755
I love Chiaki!
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>>183191853
Akane's pillows are bigger but she doesn't share Chiaki's comfiness aura.
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>>183190587
Oh you reminded me, Mikan was good. She was good enough reason to watch DR3.
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>>183192073
Akane doesn't have pillows, anon. That's why I'm sad.
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>>183192112
I wasn't referring to Daki pillows.
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>>183192073
I want that Body pillow!
Now!
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THE PROTAGONIST SPOT, KAEDE
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I need to read this series sometime. Is it doable if I don't have a physical Playstation of any variety?
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>>183194536
It's all on steam.
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>>183194536
If your timeline is past 2016 then yes
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>>183194536
Jus play it
It has my waifu
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>>183194536
either emulate the psp versions or just pirate the pc versions
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Can we talk about Killer killer and how that shit went worst every chapter?
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>>183195149
>dude trust me, reading KK is going to be necessary to understand DR3
If I'd had any faith left in Kodaka this is where I would have lost it.
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>>183168517
I hated Juzo but goddamn if I didn't respect the hell out of Juzoboys. Also, seeing Ruruka eat absolute shit was satisfying.
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>>183194836
>"your" waifu
Sore wa chigau yo
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>>183166058

Everyone was killed and died.

Fuck this shit.
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>>183195149
THAT ENDING WHERE HE CUT OFF HER HEAD BUT SHE'S OK IN THE END CAUSE THAT CUT WAS SO FAST AND CLEAN.
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>>183195149
Even worse than DR3? I've been meaning to give it a shot but never got around to it.
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>>183196045
Yes, if I were to re-read it, I would only do it for the trainwrecks of the last chapters. The story was weird as hell to begin with but then the last chapters...Oh god.

At least we got to see our boy Juzo again.
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>>183195889
There can be only one!
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>>183196211
And that one is me.
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>play first game
>it was okay, nothing amazing
>start playing second
>its almost identical to the first

whats the point of finishing this series?
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>>183196405
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>You will never experience DR3 with /a/ for the first time again
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I remember seeing people recommend "anime only guides" to watch DR3, I can't even imagine how abysmal the experience must have been.

Then again if they enjoyed the DR1 anime they might be retarded to like DR3 without having seen DR2 or DR:AE
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Just think, a hentai doujin did a better job showing off the remnants of despair than DR3 did.
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>>183190587
>Junko seducing anyone
She's a lunatic sperg without an ounce of charisma, retards. Only crazy psychopats;sociopaths would willingly follow her (like Mukuro and Matsuda)
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>>183196539
If you didn't care for the first two then there's no point in going further. DR3 is full of unsatisfying answers to the Hope's Peak saga while DRV3 is more of the same except with improved trial mechanics and a different theme and setting.
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>>183166058
everything went right

the whole franchise
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i thought despair arc was actually pretty good until junko and mukuro
on another note, it was great to see the imposter get fleshed out more as his own character.
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>>183195149
I completely forgot this existed mid-run until just now.
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>all these Akanefags
Where the fuck have you niggers been this whole time?
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Misaki didn't deserve to be in that manga.
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>>183178532
>Every entry in this franchise always turn to greatness the moment Junko shows up.
FTFY
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>>183180943
How did /a/ react to the guy impaling 2 people with a katana and repeatedly hitting it with a shovel?
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I'm glad there are so many people that love Danganronpa!
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>>183177371
The main storyline was completely retarded for the start, saying fuck it all was the only actual good choice. V3 is kino.
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>tfw Nasu in a recent interview said Kodaka was an absolute madman for what he did to his franchise in DRV3.
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>>183198503
You mean the SHSL cuckboi?
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>>183194536
DR1 has a full English fan translation on PSP, it also has an official translation by NISA on Steam.
DR2 is in Japanese on PSP, but also has a NISA translation on Steam.
Then you play UDG, on Steam.
Then V3, Steam.
Avoid anime, LNs, manga, etc.
And if you wanna attentionwhore, we had 2 anons on /drg/ recently go through the entire series and post their reactions. Anons generally don't mind and the threads are slow now.
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>>183198682
Does this mean Tsukihime remake will fuck everyone?
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>>183198682
I can imagine Nasu secretly wanting to burn it all to the ground after working on gachashit for year.

Kodaka did nothing wrong.
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>>183198359
The only reason to watch the anime.
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>>183195496
how did Rurushit died again
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>>183198886
>>183198682
Reminder he let everyone write what they wanted for Part 1 and 1.5 and their events, completely unaware that he planned to blow Chaldea up to start off Part 2.
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>>183198935
She clawed the shit out of her own body and suffocated herself with her shitty candies.
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>>183199152
nice
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>>183186102
I think the worst part about, atleast for me is that it's not just any cult leader, it's Junko

Even if you thought the idea of Junko being the ringleader that destroyed the world was retarded in the first game, eventually it gets beaten into you that no she's a force to be reckoned with in 2 and in UDG. Like you finally accept Junko's role, and her general premise and out comes DR3 meaning you were right in the first place, that this shit is just retarded
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>>183186236
Dude you still alive?
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>>183195149
It was funny. Also female lead was pretty thicc.
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>>183198524
And I love her!
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The main games are all good, side material like 3 and UDG are trash.
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>>183202244
>all that effort and they just skipped over Akane, Mahiru and Sonia
But why tho?
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>>183202654
Maybe they couldn't or didn't want to spend any more time on the project.
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Reminder a lot of DR3 could’ve been tolerable if they just made Chisa the mastermind like it was obviously intended to be.
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>>183202936
A lot of DR3 could've been tolerable if they wiped Despair Arc off the face of the earth and made Future Arc a separate series with no relation to any existing franchise
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>>183203084
That too but then we wouldn’t have the lobotomy scene.
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>>183169485
>COMPLEX MOTIVES in there
How was Zero Time Dilemma so fucking bad?
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>>183203533
Could have been a flashback.
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>>183203728
THE CANDY TO MIND HACK
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>>183203786
But that involves actually thought and planning about a characters backstory
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I'll always be mad that Mikan's beloved was Junko and not Hinata, it made more sense and would have added diversity. The fact that all the DR2 just turned into Junko's fanboys is a bit lazy

>>183202244
1 and 2 are great, 3 is different but still great, UDG had a surprisingly nice plot and characters but the game itself is a boring chore
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>>183203945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
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>>183204005
>3 is different but still great
You'd best be talking about V3, Anon.
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>>183204005
>it made more sense
By all means explain, and no, that fanfiction doujin does not count.
>would have added diversity
What?
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>>183203728
Because Uchikoshi, like Kodaka, is insane and needs fellow staff to restrain him to avoid pumping too much bullshit into his games.
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>>183204123
It would have given context to that time when she was sleeping on him, also lesbians don't make sense lmao. It's been a while since I played, but when I did I genuinely thought she was obsessed over Hinata (or Izuru) and was disappointed when it was just another junko whore

Added diversity in motives.
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>>183204144
Apparently Uchikoshi was only able to write D Team and the rest of the game was essentially thrown together because the whole development process was fucked from the beginning + because Zero Escape games were never profitable in the first place their budget was fucking terrible. Honestly the only good thing to come out of the game was Carlos.
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ggs @sshuckle. Will you ever come visit me? I want to hug you so bad. You are for hugging and only for hugging.
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>>183204590
Really it's just better to ignore ZTD's existence. VLR's timeline is better anyhow.
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>>183204340
>It would have given context to that time when she was sleeping on him
The context is that he was her alibi for the murder.
>Added diversity in motives.
But the motive is the same, you're just swapping Junko for Izuru which honestly makes no sense because as far as we knew Izuru never met any of the despairs.
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>>183197121
Part 1 and 2 had her as a super charismatic leader of despair fuck face. It's why 3 ruins it al
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>>183176955
The whole dub is like a Texas-LA weed party.
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>>183189546
The magic of anime original right there. We had fun.
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>>183204590
No, actually Uchikoshi already had a script for the final game of the trilogy lying around, but it took so long for the game to be greenlit that he grew bored of it and scrapped it entirely. He also has recently played Telltale stuff, and decided that he needs to cater to Western audience by making it less like VN and more like Telltale.
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>>183179175
Spicy meme. Hajime was the biggest pussy of the three, and anyone who thinks otherwise literally didn't understand his character.
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>>183205991
If this is true then I'm fucking pissed.
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>>183172072
>>183179037
You're both retarded, DR1 was the best of the games because the hope's peak setting was most fitting for the killing game. The motives were also more generalized, making it more interesting when the murders occurred. The one thing DR1 lacked over the games was that the cases weren't as complex, which ended up being a good thing in the long run as V3 went overboard on complexity and fucked itself over more times than not (see V3 2-2),

And in terms of character relations, DR2 was the absolute fucking worst. The game was from start to finish, the Nagito show. Nobody else but Chiaki and Fuyuhiko for one chapter fucking mattered. The disparity compared to even Kirigiri's bullshit in DR1 was atrocious. Everyone else felt superfluous at best.
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>>183166058
Non-interactable format wasn't the best medium for it. I liked it though.
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The plot of Danganronpa was never good. The only reason people enjoyed it was because of the characters being very well done, the murder game aspect is done perfectly until the end. Literally every sixth trial made me want to stop playing due to the amount of cringe I felt. The original anime for the first game was really shitty as well.
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>>183206225
V3 has good motives as well though.

2 was fucked for plot reasons, since Junko didn't care for them and did it for her own amusement while she's hacking the system.
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>>183206389
Junko needed them dead but could not do it herself because of the teacher role restriction you stupid nigger did you even play the game or did you watch a shitty plot summary on jewtube?
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>>183206975
What is reading comprehension you stupid nigger?
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>>183206389
>V3 has good motives as well though.
Hahaha what?


"Kill someone or I kill all of you." To start off the killing game was already hitting rock bottom and completely missing the spirit of the setting and Monokuma itself.
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>>183207033
Its what you lack nigger
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In terms of the biggest pussy of the MCs it unironically goes Shuichi > Makoto > Hajime.

Shuichi should need no mention, he did just about everything in his game and told DR to go fuck itself.

Makoto was a bitch for the most part but had brass balls when it counted. First thing he did after Kyoko died on him was go fight that psychopath Munakata because nobody else could.

Hajime was objectively the biggest bitch because unlike the other two, he pretends to have a spine and constantly mocks the other students, but when shit goes down, he breaks. After dissing Nagito for 3 chapters, he practically sucks his dick for help in chapter 4 and then needs to constantly be saved in chapter 6, unlike either of the other protagonists. DR3 only made him worse, he got all the power he wanted and he still managed to do absolutely nothing with it, being every bit as boring as his catchphrase.
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>>183207297
>attempts to electrocute Munakata with a burning book and a wire
>gets a hit in with the help of extinguisher-kun
>traps him in a room after correctly deducing his Forbidden Action
I legitimately liked that episode. Didn't think the kid actually had it in him.
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>>183207297
Based. Even in class trials, Hajime is the weakest protagonist. He acts like a frontman, but he's really only following the crumbs Nagito sets for him like Kyoko and Byakuya did for Makoto. And when Hajime can't solve it (literally the first quarter or half of the trial) Chiaki steps in to fill in the missing pieces. Monokuma even memes after chapter 5 that with Nagito and Chiaki dead, they can't do shit for themselves. Naegi at least is able to take on chapters 5 and 6 as a frontman who didn't need to be babysat. Hajime needed his and Chiaki's help even in chapter 6 otherwise he'd have given up.
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>>183192851
God why the fuck are images like these so hot? It's an instant turn-on.
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>>183166058
What went right?
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>>183209511
the openings and the endings
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>>183210005
Despair's ED was the only good one, though
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>>183209511
My waifu was there
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>>183210110
you are entitled to your wrong opinion
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>>183210110
You mean Despair's OP and Future's ED right?
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>>183209511
JUZOBOYS
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>>183198524
Thanks for your hard work!
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>>183210147>>183210415

Future's OP and ED were incredibly generic with both the music and imagery, and Despair's OP was nothing special.
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>>183198682
source
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>>183210442
And despair's ED wasn't boring shit with boring visuals? Nobody said they were novel, but they weren't done wrong. Despair's ED was the worst of the lot.
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>>183210756
Despair's ED is the only half-decent bit of fanservice the show has.
Everything else is just incredibly boring to both watch and listen to
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JUZO BOYS RISE UP
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>>183207085
That's kind of the point though, at that point they were probably running out of motives.
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>>183166058
The new mystery and characters sucked and they botched a few of the old characters. Hypnosis is dumb and ruins the restraint they had on Junko in the games as someone who gives people rope to hang themselves with. They had a real opportunity to explore the world and fucked it up. They should have made Despair a bit comedy like the first episode that focused on gags that plays with both casts quirky personalities. They could have slowly moved it into darker and darker territory with short stories showing how Junko corrupted class 77. They also could have worked in the new cast and played up the new mystery like they tried to do. Make Despair manic, and juxtapose comedy with tragedy and you might get something like the feeling in the games.

That aside some honorable mentions:
> Not creating a precise atmosphere like the games. DR1 pop, DR2 Tropical, V3 Apocalyptic future, even Despair Girls was like Wonderland. DR's atmosphere has always been really strong and the anime felt dull and washed out.
> Not doing anything with Kamakura or Mukuro when the fans have been throwing out every interesting and retarded idea under the sun.

To put this into perspective, I got more engaging story out of the friendship events in V3's retarded board game than this anime.
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>>183211579
>Not doing anything interesting with Kamakura
This is what infuriates me
>No izuru/chiaki moment
For fuck's sake, why make a character if you're only gonna kill her off and anger the fans? They should've made the finale a VN, wouldve given them more room to work with
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>>183211579
>V3's retarded board game
That board game was too good, I should really finish up the other characters sometime.
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>>183179175
>Naegi
>Kirigiri help me!!
>Junko I don't want you to die even though you killed all my friends
>Gets detective pussy
>Hinata
>Chiaki help me!!
>I don't know whats going on
>We're fucked, better awaken my asspull powers
>Shuichi
>Kaeda hel- oh wait I have to carry
>Fuck this shit and fuck you too
>Gets assassin and magic pussy
It's like you didn't even play the games
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>>183211867
>Shuichi
Kaito help me!
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>>183211858
Post your teams, Anons.
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>>183211977
>Hahaha of course I got an answer for ya!
>Tell 'em Shuichi!
>WAIT NO DON'T SIDE WITH KOKICHI
>TELL THEM WHAT I WANT TO HEAR INSTEAD
I liked Kaito but his antics got really frustrating as the story progressed.
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>>183212015
Naegi was my only U-card that was lucky enough to land a successful surgery.
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Oma is shit hahaha
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>>183212542
Fuck off Miu.
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>>183212850
He's still a legit trash character though.
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>>183213064
https://youtu.be/272V7KQJdiw
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>tfw STILL no Kyoko nendo
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Remember.
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>>183197121
She can become anyone and play any character even better than the Ultimate Impostor. This was even a plot point in the final choice of DR2.
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>>183214861
I was actually in that thread. Was hilarious at the time.
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>>183180202
>In the end, the imposter being Byakuya was just there to as a red herring and didn't really matter.
>
>In the end, all the signs of Nagito somehow being Naegi's twisted form is all just a weird coincidence.
I think both of these were the result of stuff changing during the development. IIRC, Nagito was in fact supposed to be Makoto using an avatar (back when Akane was still the rival), and the Imposter was meant to live until the end, so he would be uncovered by the real Byakuya appearing inside the simulation.
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>>183196856
>Then again if they enjoyed the DR1 anime they might be retarded to like DR3 without having seen DR2 or DR:AE
I actually think this is true. The ones who unironically liked DR3 were the casuals who only watched the anime and thus didn't realise how much DR3 fucked the series' lore. There's really not much one would not understand jumping from DR1TA to DR3. Hell, the entirety of DR2 might as well not have happened at all as far as DR3 is concerned.
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>>183198524
Why did your season suck so much? Why would you reveal the truth to the players and break the immersion, you dumb bitch?
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>>183194536
>>183198743
I actually think is good to read DR0 before playing DR2, since it sets up the concepts of the Reserve Course and Kamakura that kinda come out of nowhere in chapter 6.
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>>183166058
They actually showed what was on the outside of the school, they actually showed how Junko converted those kids. They should have kept these unexplained, some things are better left unsaid, but no, they had to show it all and it was fucking awful. It ruined DR1 and 2 for me, I cannot divorce these two games from the third continuation and the many spin off and other light novel trash they released since those two games.
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>>183204005
>I'll always be mad that Mikan's beloved was Junko and not Hinata, it made more sense and would have added diversity.
Are you retarded?

>3 is different but still great
Never mind, you are.
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>>183215554
>They actually showed what was on outside of the school
UDG did it first.
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>>183211579
>>183211788
Still mad about the fact that they made Izuru's existence pointless. In the games he was the catalyst for the Tragedy, the central piece of Junko's plan, and also the culmination of the themes about talent. He's even the one character that is truly hopeless in the most literal sense of the word.
But in DR3 he's just there. There was no reason for Junko and him to be in contact after she met Mitarai because mindhack videos were all she needed. He could have stayed in his room unaware of the apocalypse and it wouldn't have changed anything. His motivation for starting the killing game in DR2 don't even make sense now.
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I did not play V3 because it the start was boring and all danganronpas are the same, am I losing something?
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>>183215944
V3 has the strongest quality of cases as a whole in the series.
However, it doubled down on the "stupid shit you just have to swallow" front of plot. ESPECIALLY in chapter 6 that's very make or break moment for people's opinion on the game.
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>>183215944
Nope. The final twist is basically the fake twist and the real twist from DR1 but swapped. The final chapter is basically just Kodaka complaining about how the series went on for longer than he intended, thinly veiled with some retarded lessons about "LIES" and "FICTION". The cases all suck as well.
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>>183215537
Eh... I'd say knowing about the reserve course before hand makes it too easy to guess 2's twist. Better to fill in the blanks after.
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>>183216021
>V3 has the strongest quality of cases as a whole in the series.
Except it's case 5, which was by far the absolute worst out of any game.
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>>183216252
Man this is the first I've seen someone attack 3-5 as the worst of the game..
It's normally 2, rarely 3.
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>>183211244
"It's bad on purpose" doesn't excuse the fact that it's bad.
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>>183206389
>V3 has good motives as well though.
Literally all motives in V3 boil down to "mindhack". Mind control is the shittiest trope ever, specially in a mystery story.
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>>183202244
UDG is great and much better than V3.
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>>183216323
3-5 was a mess, inside and out. 2's only crime is a half asspull motive and unnecessary complication. 3's was good, except the part where it could have done something interesting with the double murder but just fell back on old hat, the thing is doing something interesting with it's ending would lead to something incredibly boring with either the next case's beginning or the whole game's ending.
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>>183198603
V3's storyline is even more retarded, and that's saying something.
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>>183216457
Well... not quite. It wasn't mind control per se, it was feeding someone a fake backstory. It's motives are really no different than Kodaka making up their personalities, which he still technically did anyway, this just adds an extra meta step.
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>>183199152
>>183198935
I think she tried to fight off the hypnosis by eating her own mindhacc candies, but that only led to a messier death with the knife.
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>>183215425
Theme of the season was audience participation! Imagine the audience causing despair!

Besides, she had to reveal the fiction due to contradictions!
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>>183216570
>meteors destroying humanity
>also a virus produced by the meteors that's infecting humanity
>and Remnants of Despair because why the fuck not
I hated that entire Gopher plot and I'm glad the ending did away with the entire thing.
The fact that the prologue and the video didn't mesh with it at all was driving me up the wall and I was honestly expecting aliens to be the mastermind somehow.
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>>183216656
>It wasn't mind control per se, it was feeding someone a fake backstory
By literally inserting fake memories, which is in fact brainwashing. The characters were all pre-programmed to act and react in a certain way in response to their flashback lights.
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I have a soft spot for 3-6 just because of.
Kodaka: V3 will be its own story. DR3 is the conclusion to the Hope's Peak arc of Danganronpa.
Also Kodaka: Here's a fucking pop quiz on Danganronpa canon. You know why the story your characters have don't make sense, don't you?
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>>183216795
That's nothing compared to the idea of a murder mystery visual novel becoming a worldwide phenomenon and turning into a reality tv show, and people being okay with real murders on tv.
Also fuck the flashback lights and everything they represent. They're the most retarded concept in the entire franchise, even more than Mitarai's videos.
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>>183216814
Right, but imagine we remove the flashback lights and Kodaka had just plain written a character to be an acting serial killer unlike Genocider. His motives are still the same regardless of the memory insertion because that's how he was written, both within the universe of the game by Tsumugi and out of it by Kodaka, the original is dead and buried after that first flashback light so neither he nor his personality never actually mattered outside of the final reveal.
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>>183216792
Dumb gimmick. I'm glad you're dead and your stupid franchise won't get another instalment.
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I don't know if this thread will last until tomorrow, but I'm getting new pen nibs in the mail tomorrow. If anyone wants black and white illustrations of Dangans colored in, send them to me, and I'll see if I can get them done tomorrow.
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>>183216943
It was indeed ridiculous, but it was straightforward enough for me to prefer it over that convoluted sci-fi plot that they fed the cast throughout the game.
Overall I really liked the idea of having implanted memories instead of just another memory wipe, but when I played through the ending the I hated the extent to which they fucked with those kids' heads. I even bought Tsumugi's bullshit about scripting all the kids' lines and actions for a while and it almost ruined the experience for me.
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>>183216996
There is such thing as suspension of disbelief. When we read fiction, we pretend it's real and forget about the real world and its rules. Because of this the characters must also have a certain reality within the context of the story itself. The meta twist in V3 is not done well at all because it sucks you out of your suspension of disbelief by reminding you that the characters are fictional in the worst way possible, by removing their agency as characters withing the reality of the story. It's different having a character doing something as a result of actual events that happened in their past, than them doing them because the writer made them to (both Kodaka and the in-universe writers).
The fake memories are really no different from an "it was all just a dream" twist. Character backstory matters, and removing that backstory kill the character by making them a brainwashed tool. Revealing a character's past as fake is something that should only be done near the beginning of a story.
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>>183217358
When you meet Tsumugi for the first time in the prologue, the first thing she says is that her favourite episode of Doraemon is the one with "security cameras and throwing practice", which describes perfectly what happens later in chapter 1. From this I assume that most, if not all of the characters' actions were indeed scripted in some way.
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>>183217394
>removing their agency as characters within the reality of the story
Think about it, do you really think Kokichi and Kaito would have gotten away with all their antics in Chapter 5 if their actions were truly scripted? Or that they would've allowed Keebo go on his rampage in Chapter 6?
If you still think those were somehow scripted then how did Shuichi even get away with crashing the entire show? They could've just kept him in line like a good little contestant and let Hope win like they did in the past 50 or so seasons.

Their backstories may have been fabricated, but the choices they made and the lessons they learned were all made on their on volition.
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>>183217394
But what if my favorite is Tsumugi, who's backstory isn't fake?

I believe she was being honest.

>>183217501
In Japan she says her favorite episode of HnK is #53.
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I don't get why people are mad with V3 ending while completely fine with DR2 cop-out ending
>had to choose between wake up and turn into RoD or stay in the simulation and keep their memories
>ends with waking up and didn't turn into RoD
And you can't handwave it with "Junko lies" as usual since Naegi and co. also confirmed it.
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>>183218540
I can handwave it with "Izuru has fucking broken god mode", because that's what actually fixed everyone.
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>>183218540
>>ends with waking up and didn't turn into RoD
That's wrong. The final scene of DR2 implies that Hajime did in fact went back to being Izuru, but he retained some memories of the simulation, so he decided to "be" Hajime. Something similar may or may have not happened with the other characters, the beauty of the ending lies in its ambiguity.
The complete recovery of every character was just DR3 bullshit, and should not be taken into account when judging DR2.
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>>183217953
>her favorite episode of HnK is #53
So Houseki no Kuni WILL get more seasons! ;_;
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>>183177572
Agreed. It took me a while to warm up to V3's ending, but looking back at it, it is a great way to end the series.
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>>183217763
Not sure about the show's crash in chapter 6, but I think most things Koichi did in chapter 5 were indeed part of the original plan. After all in DR2 Nagito tried to pull the same shit, so it's likely that it became a Danganronpa tradition; the absolute madman tries to crash the game on the fifth chapter with a convoluted case.
The Hope's Peak flashback were definitely Tsumugi doing some damage control, but that barely affected Koichi's actions.
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>>183217953
She literally has no backstory. Even her name and appearence could just be another cosplay.

>>183217763
Maybe Team Danganronpa just wanted to end the show so they intentionally crahsed it, just like Kodaka in real life.
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>>183217079
But now Kodaka and Uchikoshi have teamed up for new projects, so won't it basically be the same thing as more DR/Zero Escape?
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>>183219714
>Implying Tsumugi is lying
t. Shuichi
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>>183197070
no it didn't, it was edgy full retard garbage
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>>183221017
Still better than DR3 by a mile.

>>183220889
Nver said she was lying. After all she never really said anything about herself, who she is, how long she's been working on Danganronpa, etc.
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>>183221363
She doesn't need to say her backstory for you to get it. She's just a Danganronpa superfan who would up involved with the company and eventually became a Mastermind in her own game.

She talks about other small snippets in her past in her social link and the bar scene in Chapter 4.
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>>183220060
Kodaka said that after Death March Club, he's done with killing games.
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>>183221553
So? Doesn't need to be a killing game to be like Danganronpa. Kodaka just recognises the limits of the format.
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I want to talk about Danganronpa, but can't go into any threads cuz I haven't played V3 yet. Frustrating.

>>183166058
A few things.
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>>183221553
We'll see how long that last when whatever he makes next doesn't sell and he comes crawling back. Isn't he making some shitty gambling manga? How's that selling?
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>>183221645
Pretty sure she died.
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>>183221785
It had better not be selling well, the writing is the most godawful shit I've ever read.
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>>183221890
No anon you see she took an antidote beforehand. A kind of antidote that doesn't counteract any of the poison's physical effects but keeps the victim alive regardless. Somehow.
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>>183222054
I know. It's a meme dub joke.
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>>183221734
And I am going to miss her!
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>>183222134
Who?
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>>183222080
I know, anon. I'm just venting.
Did you know people in comas don't need to breathe? Don't have a pulse either. You could stare at them with the intensity of someone who just lost a loved one for a good ten minutes and wouldn't notice a thing. Crazy, huh?
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>>183221734
Rui Komatsuzaki is hardly gonna stop drawing top-tier thighs just because DR is over, Anon. After all, he's also a part of Too Kyo games.
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>>183222183
Anon we all know DR3 was bad, you don't have to harp on about it. It's best to just pretend it never happened.
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>>183222239
I just watched finished this a few days ago, anon. Venting.
Fucking fuck. First you tear my heart to pieces by killing best girl, then go pull her survival out of your ass and it's somehow worse. Do you have any idea what it's like to be angry that your waifu is alive? It's not a good feeling at all.
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>>183221785
It hasn't been out for long so who knows. I was sort of interested in it but the pacing has been atrocious so far.
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>>183222289
>Thinking Kyoko is best girl
Fuck's sakes Anon, not only are you a latecomer that actually watched DR3 for some reason, you have shit taste too. Go play V3 if you haven't already.
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>>183222289
Kyoko's character in general is some favoritism bullshit. Most characters in her position from DR1-DR3 would have died 10x over, but she avoided all the death flags. And she doesnt' have Naegi's bullshit luck for plot armor.
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>>183222289
>Kyoko
>Best girl
I suppose this is the reaction for the first run through of DR. Only when you take a step back and examine everything, you realize how utterly detrimental her character is to the narrative and how she's a gigantic mary sue petted by the author.
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>>183221645
I know that feeling. Now get out of here before you get spoiled.
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>>183222315
I just wanted to see how it ended, anon. And please don't disparage my taste.

>Go play V3 if you haven't already.
Soon.

>>183222333
I do not deny the favoritism, but what death flags? From 1, I mean.

>>183222368
>Only when you take a step back and examine everything, you realize how utterly detrimental her character is to the narrative and how she's a gigantic mary sue petted by the author.
Enlighten me, then.

>mary sue
No. Given that she's supposed to be the best detective in the world, it would be bizarre for her NOT to just steamroll through this series of mysteries. Kyoko's overpoweredness is entirely justified.
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>>183222462
>I do not deny the favoritism, but what death flags? From 1, I mean.
DR is, for all problems it faces, fairly consistent with how it picks off the characters. Those who stand out get hammered down. Kyoko is a starring character from start to finish, constantly taking risks and going off on her own for near 2/3 of the game, yet she suffers no legitimate consequences. Byakuya is the only one who ever suspects her, despite her being shady as shit to anyone with a brain, nor does any of the murderers ever think "Kyoko keeps solving all these riddles, shouldn't she be taken out at some point?". Adding on, Kyoko's not even called out on the two times she could potentially have gotten Naegi killed. It's just bad, dude.
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>>183222554
You ain't got no zeroes to prove that with, lad.
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>>183222554
>Ibuki worst girl
True.
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>>183222554
Anon, I don't know how to break this too you, but great fucking list. I'm honestly impressed.
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>>183222554
>D tier is flawless
>S tier is a little too crowded
>Can agree to 70% of this list

Im glad this exist
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>>183222462
>Enlighten me, then.
Danganronpa is a character driven game, primarily. Yet Kyoko derails this by stealing the bulk of the focus, even away from the main character. Nobody is ever allowed to do anything truly intelligent in the class trials. Kyoko pretty much solves everything for them like the plot device she is. Now you might argue that she's the detective, that's her job, but it honestly doesn't matter. It won't detract from how everyone else suffered because of her. Though, being fair, Nagito was even worse. V3 bypassed this by having the most diverse cast.
>No. Given that she's supposed to be the best detective in the world, it would be bizarre for her NOT to just steamroll through this series of mysteries. Kyoko's overpoweredness is entirely justified.
No. Her talent means she's allowed to steamroll the mysteries. But what about her character? Kyoko is never allowed to be wrong about anything, never painted in a remotely bad light, despite her wrong-doings. She's honestly a gigantic bitch in the first game until she warms up to Naegi, but nobody ever confronts her about it. In fact, Kodaka had the gall to have Kyoko talk down to the only bigger asshole, Byakuya, about him disregarding human emotion, despite the fact that Kyoko is even more socially stunted and emotionally frigid than he is due to her upbringing.
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The DR1 cast has plot armor, the DR2 cast all survive and are retroactively made less interesting, the DR3 cast exists to be a meat shield, Another Episode somehow became less important, they rebuilt the fucking school, literally everything about Tengan and Mitarai, Chisa was a wasted character, Naegi does fuck all in this supposed final encounter between Hope and Despair, they made another anime with too few episodes.

And that's just off the top of my head.
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>>183186236
HE'S ALIVE
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>>183222885
He has been alive, anon.
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>>183222885
He's immortal, Anon. He'll outlive us all, the french bastard.
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>>183192112
My girl don't have any pillows either, I feel your pain brother.
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>>183222846
>Naegi does fuck all in this supposed final encounter between Hope and Despair
The only part I don't agree with. Naegi's encounter between Munakata was just fine on his end and he settled it in an uncharacteristically aggressive way, despite the difference in strength. The hope arc was also Class 77 saving the day, which can be attributed to Naegi going out on a limb to help them in the first place. It was literally his own karma coming back to help him.
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>>183192073
I don't get why anyone would ever be put off by the reveal, it's not like the characters were ever anything but fictional in the first place. It's not like the reveal destroys that fictional existence, because you can't destroy a fictional existence.
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>>183222557
>>183222787
Fairly good points, anons. I think my opinion on the cast is already pretty decided, but thanks none the less. Clarity is important.
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>>183166058
Kodaka's strengths are the characters and not telling the actual story and his twists are fucking garbage. Actually trying to explain how Junko got the DR2 cast under her control was better left to the imagination rather than LOLBRAINWASHING
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>>183222554
S-tier: Mikan, Seiko, Junko (partially the face of DR so whatever), Sakura are fine. The rest are shit. I can't even imagine what possessed anyone to put Mukuro and fucking Tenko on this list

A: Sonia was fucking useless. Mahiru was a literal who. Toko deserves to be in S after AE. The rest are perfectly fine.

B: Komaru is...okay, I guess. Celeste had a great aesthetic but her trial ruined her. Chisa...seriously? Who the fuck are the rest? Magic girl and Maki (though I consider her insufferable) I can understand, but what the ever loving fuck are Angie, Kotoko and Natsumi doing this high up?

C: Hagakure's mom deserves better. Hiyoko does too, arguably. Monaca absolutely needs to be placed higher. Gekkogahara is a non-character, Akane is just tits and Tsumugi played an active role in what was wrong with V3 so I gues sshe's deserving. The others need to be ranked lower
D: Sayaka? Really? I thought she was fine, if only for being an effective kill and subverting the waifubait trope. Props for not succumbing to protag dick. Ruruka...had a character, but was the most insufferable bitch in all of DR, absolutely deserved. Who is Sato? Ibuki's annoying so I get it. Kirumi? Was she even bad? I give her applause for a near perfect kill, only diminished by the fact that she didn't need to go remotely as far as she did to get away with the crime.
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>>183223105
By the way, I do like Kyoko a lot, even more after her backstory really explains why she turned out the way she is (her grandfather's a fucking monster). But based on the games themselves, I feel everyone would have been better off if Kodaka didn't try so hard to make her stand out.
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>>183222557
To be fair, she's arguably the main character/deuteroganist. All the time's she's meant to be taken out helped increase tension in a way. Trial 5 investigation always leaves that chance that it was Kyoko who was killed (though the nails were a giveaway).

Only two people in the first game would be smart enough to suspect Kyoko, and that's Naegi and Togami. Everyone else is too stupid. Maybe Celes did too but she got fucking lucky Kyoko went to another floor when her plan was in motion. Naegi actually doubted her. He never goes so far as to suspect her but it's obvious earlier on he doesn't fully trust her and has his doubts.

One of the main themes of the game is stated by her saying "One shouldn't hesitate to jump into danger" or something like that. It's also what will then be the foundation of Naegi's version of hope which is to keep moving forward even if you know there is despair in your path or "hope keeps going". You could argue that her doing such things is the narrative's way of rewarding her for doing the right answer.

And yeah, Kyoko did almost get Naegi killed twice but she at least apologized and regularly tries to do something. Everyone else had their own faults. Hagakure,even at the 6th trial, would still accuse them of pssibly being the mastermind. So did Aoi plus her little stunt in the 4th trial. Fukawa doesn't trust anyone until UDG. Togami...is the one with the least sin actually though one has to assume all of them voted for Naegi in the 5th trial.. The lesson here is that everyone in DR1 is kinda a dick and it's amazing that Naegi's put up with them even past the first trial.

I'm saying all this when, the first time I played DR1, I fucking hated Kirigiri.
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>>183223012
Although I was upset at the ending at first, I was surprised to learn that a lot of people were upset for that particular reason. I didn't think Hope's Peak existed in that universe anyways (until Chapter 5 threw me off for a while) so I honestly thought incorporating the lore in like that was pretty neat.
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>>183223174
I'll agree with that. I like those reliable "port-in-a-storm" characters like her, but woulda been nice to spread the spotlight around, or at least make her taking it more natural. How would that work, though? You can have Kyoko start as low-key as you want, player's gonna take notice as soon as the murder's start and she gets to work.

>even more after her backstory really explains why she turned out the way she is
Gotta read those books. Before V3 I guess, main series deserves to end on a higher note than 3.
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Going back and watching season 3 after v3 and watching it like it's actually just a television drama was really a really enjoyable way to look at the series in a completely different perspective.

Another series I miss seeing threads about since airing threads had DENSE MEMES.
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>>183223192
V3 ending was kino from the start, the reason why this series keeps me engaged is that I KNOW that the story is going to fuck with me, and I try to look for when it happens, but it quadruples down and fucks me up every time
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>>183223311
Danganronpa Soap Opera when?
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>>183223132
>Mahiru was a literal who
Well someone here didn't play her FTEs.
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>>183223369
I didnt mind V3's ending. But I hated how it was delivered. Tsumugi should not have been the face of the mastermind and mouthpiece that gave us this information. She was either irrelevant or incompetent next to the plot. No presence whatsoever and that's not what you make your big bad/dragon.
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>>183223296
My poblem with Kyoko has always been her design. I mean, she looks great but she sticks out so much. Sayaka's blue was somewhat pushing it but everyone else had relatively human looks with blonde, black, and browns. Then Kyoko comes in all purple and lavender and it's clear she's meant to be important.
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>>183223409
I didn't admittedly. If it changed something then great, but it's a bit annoying that it would be optional content. Not to say I hate Mahiru, I just don't think she should be so high up, not counting possible FTE. Certainly better than fucking Akane at least.
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>>183223409
I've always felt like Mahhiru's personality in-game was so bland that the devs decided to make her FTE's possibly the most waifu-bait ones. I dont' think any other one has the girl's crush be so obvious on the MC.
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>>183222554
>Mukuro
>S
She was the worst character among Class 78. Know that thing where characters get worse the more we knew about them? That's Mukuro. Her character devolved into nothing but "Muh Junko" hypocrisy. It also makes her portrayal in IF (if that's the reason people like her) so jarring because Mukuro's true character is not like that at all. IF is also non-canon.
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Fuck man i didn't know the anime was a trainwreck because i still haven't played the games from my point of view it seemed like a decent anime but now i'm afraid of playing the games and destroying that vision of it

Should i play the games or keep my illusion?
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>>183223522
DR1 and 2 were good games. V3 is heavily polarized but some do enjoy it and think it the best of the series. The animes are terrible however because DR's format simply doesn't work with them. Not with 12 episodes
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>>183223411
Agreed. The delivery of it could have been better, Tsumugi considered, she is the shortcoming of V3 for me. But that considered, I don't think that I weigh her convenience much when compared to the themes that the ending provides.
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>>183223411
I still think DR1 Junko was the best mastermind in a trial. AI Junko was more of a rehash while Tsumugi's all flash but her writing had no substance.

One of the most memorable moments for me is the first time Junko uses her real face in the 6th trial. Those moments when she goes blank and you get a glimpse of the real her are great.

You never really get that from AI Junko nor Tsumugi.
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>>183223522
Experiencing Danganronpa is different than being an audience member for it
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>>183223544
>>183223591
Besides the games what other things (manga, ln, etc) are important lore wise?
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>>183223559
More or less this. Junko was a winning mastermind because of the novelty. She was every bit the comical yet abhorrently demented character you'd expect after hours of dealing with Monokuma. I actually felt that she was a monster you could never reason with a sane mind, yet still calculating and entertaining. That she ends up killing herself and still 'winning' in her own warped way was icing on the cake.
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>>183223522
Play the games first then watch the anime.

The anime fucks up a ton of shit but it's not bad seeing everything more streamlined and realizing just how much padding the first game did to increase trial length.

Kyoko's also less of a bitch, I guess? If only because of the condensed nature. The mastermind is at least pretty fun to watch in the final episode.
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>>183223658
Light novel. DR0 was okay. DR:Kirigiri I've heard decent things about, but translations are hard to come by. There are some fun slice of life novels (which help ease the pain of your waifu/husbando dying at some point) and anthologies as well.

Stay away from everything else please.
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>>183221645
Hurry up and play V3.
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>>183207297
To be fair to Hajime, the whole point of his character was how much of a faker he was. He acts aggressive in the trials bit everytime someone argues you see all his bravado shatter immediately. The whole point of the final act was to give him true confidence and some shit.

As much as Shuichi telling Monokuma to go fuck himself is great, I'd still give it to Big Mac.I mean right after his failed execution he tells Monokuma he won't roll over and just die. In 2, he goes against the FF to save the remnants. In 3, you'd think he was suicidal with how often he threw away his own safety.

Though the top of the protags is Kaede for having the (shot-put) balls to go through with murder right from the get go
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>>183221645
anon i did the same thing for a long time and i regret every moment i missed, do yourself a favor and play it even if it is pirated or something
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Someone missed the point of Danganronpa executions being slightly funny and being tied to the talent/ personality of the condemned and just made 30 minutes of Chiaki ryona with 0 humor at all.
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>>183223712
>There's a sound novel released with the blu ray of 3 that had Kirigiri meet up with her own plant clone
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>>183223192
This is surprisingly accurate. When I first finished V3 I rated it lower than the first game, but after replaying it recently I now like it even more than 2.
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I'm probably among the minority who thinks DR1 is best. I don't know, the normalcy of that game had charm the others didn't. They were kids, strangers trapped in a school without any context but to kill each other. There was distrust and tension in spades, with only small groups like Sakura and Hina forming because people really just couldn't get see eye to eye until the end of chapter 4 and the killing officially ended there, making Sakura's sacrifice a very big deal compared to Gundham's or Gonta.

The murders were also relatively simple, because these are kids who have no idea what they're doing and the motives given are very liberal. Kaede sets up a fairly complex plan, though one that breaks suspension of disbelief, to kill the mastermind. Sayaka's plan on the other hand was filled with too many holes to count, that there is no way it could have succeeded even if she killed Leon. And it's not because she's an idiot, it's rationalized by how unstable, desperate and conflicted she was.

The motives were also better at being able to coax most into murder without being targeted at a specific person. The most egregious offender being trial 2 of DR2, where the motive was patently geared towards getting Fuyuhiko expressly to kill Mahiru.

Junko was also the best mastermind.
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>>183223443
They gave solid reasons for why she nags the guys that showed she doesn't hate guys or is scared of them like Tenko. I also felt like that as a story, it did a great job playing to her character as the most normal person of all the ultimates. It wasn't something overly exaggerated like the others. In fact, it was probably the most realistic thing of all the entire franchise. And that brief moment of realism in a game as over the top as this one felt very refreshing to me, and is why Mahiru's one of my favorites.
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>>183221645
Don't bother, it's shit. It's actually better to spoil yourself beforehand.
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>>183224190
Took the words right out of my mouth, especially with the normalcy.
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>>183223667
I actually had goose-bumps the whole time Junko was on screen during the last trial. The way she just smacked down everyone with the truth and how the despair kicked into all of the characters, I could actually feel myself.

>>183224190
In a way I liked DR1 best because it was the first in the franchise, Monokuma/Junko NEVER forced the characters to kill one another unlike the other games, the motives were all convincing, none of the plans for each murder were over-the-top.
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>>183224190
I'm the same bro. While, objectively,the other games are better due to the writers getting better as they made the games, I've always liked the first the best too.

I've also felt it had the best use of themes. It was never about hope and despair but on handling the unknown . Each of the trials were made with the theme in mind and I never really got the same feeling from 2 and V3.

I'd argue it has the best ending. 2 and V3 are sorta somewhat the same but flashier.
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>>183224190
You make a lot of good points, I also enjoyed the very closed off theme of DR1 that the other games didn't deliver so much on in a way. You very much so feel trapped and that it's not going to change anytime soon
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>>183223443
>He didn't do all the FTEs
The fuck is wrong with you?
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>>183224229
Mahiru is far and away the most normal non-player-controlled character, making her prime choice for an ahoge.
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>>183224329
DR1 works because it has it's own story to tell while 2 and 3 heavily rely on the previous game for some of their bigger moments. Hell, Nagito is a giant fucking red herring, himself.
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>>183224190
Although V3 is my favorite of the bunch, you pretty much nailed why I always liked the first game over SDR2. Plus I straight up liked the cast as a whole a lot more than the whackier personalities we got in the sequel.
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>>183223192
>bargaining
There's plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike V3, but only brainlets whine about "muh DR1/DR2 is fictional". Every story is equally fictional, which means they are also equally real, even if they are fiction inside the contex of another story.
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>>183224348
>>183224190
It helps in DR1 that the first trial is where the protagonist is the one being suspected so there's an immediate sense of danger and mistrust.

Bonus that the one who died was the person who looked to be the main heroine and spent most time with the protag.

They did it again in V3 (in a way) but Kaede was just so reliable and Shuichi wasn't (which I guess helped the "twist" later on).
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>>183224190
Even now I still found Leon's execution to be the most terrifying. I remember seeing that for the first time and was like "Holy Shit!" and was quite terrified of what other horrible fates the other culprits would face. With SDR2 I felt its executions were far too wacky in comparison
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>>183224435
This. If anything, a problem with V3's ending was that the message of fiction changing reality was never really that big a deal throughout the whole game.

I kind of guess they started interchanging fiction/nonfiction with lies/truth somewhere in there but the two were seperate for me.

I kinda wish they revealed the games were fiction in the beginning and played around that.
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This thread is still alive?
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>>183224505
The only executions I liked in the second game were 2-2 and 2-5. The rest were either too silly, lackluster, or both.
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>>183224578
>>183224505
I heard the guy who designed the executions in the first game didn't return in 2 and only came back in V3.
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>>183223192
The problem I had with V3's ending is I felt like Kodaka was putting the blame on us (the players) for wanting more DR games and "forcing" him to write more. It kinda reminds me of Undertale's Genocide ending except at least with Undertale getting that ending is entirely your choice whereas it isn't in DRV3.
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>>183224571
Nah, pretty sure it died.
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>>183224571
It’s a ghost, obviously.
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>>183166058
so when is thew new crossover game coming out?
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>>183224606
Well that would explain why the V3 executions were all so brutal again. My only gripe is that the Monokubs ruined the impact of some of them, especially the first one.
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>>183224606
Anon, Kodaka didn't leave his own franchise, he just didn't do it.
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>>183214861
someone also post the 777 get
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>>183224635
Too soon.

>>183224505
That entire first case was so, so good.
I really like how they handled Sayaka. She was trying to do something terrible, using the player character to do so no less, but you still couldn't hate her for it. I couldn't, at least.
Too this day, the mental image of her sitting there in the bathroom, injured and terrified and pushed beyond the brink, listening to Leon pry apart the lock still gives me chills. This poor, poor kid.
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>>183224812
>Too soon.
It's been more than two years anon. It's time let yourself heal.
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>>183224812
Sayaka is probably one of the most underrated girls for reasons that would ironically apply to most of the cast. I liked her because she had an actual personality, goals that didn't gravitate towards the protagonist and would go against them to do it. It's also rationalized by how the idol business was implied to be merciless and she was disillusioned by her own dreams. She wasn't a bad person, but she was manipulated (but not to the extent that she is robbed of agency) into doing a terrible thing...and paid the price. Leon is also an unfortunate casualty, but still culpable himself, of her actions. In many ways, that is really the spirit of DR.
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>>183223296
Why the fuck arn't Kirigiri's books translated?
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how should I watch DGR 3 the future/present/past
Not too sure how many episodes there are
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>>183225703
Hope 1, Despair 1, Hope 2, Despair 2, etc.
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>>183225731
>>183225703
Future, not hope, anon. Hope is the awful one-episode finale.
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Did anyone else like Himiko?
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>>183225970
small hole
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>>183224606
Thank God he did, the executions in SDR2 had mostly been pretty weak except one.
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>>183225970
Kokichi did.
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>>183225814
despair 1 future 1 and so on while hope last?
gotcha
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>>183226078
Future first anon, then despair. That's a very important difference.
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>>183226078
see >>183226098

>>183226040
Which?
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>>183222554
>Sakura
>S
hmm nigger on what criteria
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>>183217953
>>183219714
Tsumugi explicitly says during the trial that both her name and appearance are fake.

It's entirely possible that she was brainwashed to be the mastermind, just don't bother thinking about "fake memories". Just consider everything real.
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>>183222554
Every fucking time. The exact time this post appears, any Danganronpa thread turns into a shitty general. I guess it's because it gets posted in some Discord circlejerk.
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>>183225970
Donkey lips is a miracle of the universe.



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